TCG Stock Up/Stock Down

Dark Void said:
Your previous post made it seem to me like you thought VG had a vastly positive matchup against Blastoise (which a lot of people seem to think) which I disagree with. And how exactly are you going to stream an Ace Spec? Aside with that, I agree completely with the first turn thing. Its sad how often games are determined by a single coin flip. :(

If everything plays out, you can get an t1 attachment, then t2 attachment and colress machine to charge up genesect (with booster), wash rinse repeat 2 more times to take the game, there's also Virizion who (if needed) can accelerate energy until you have all you need. In reference to how VG matches up against blastoise, I wouldn't say that it's a vastly positive matchup, but especially if the deck runs keldeo it is a positive one for Genesect.

I've heard word of cutting Keldeo from the list after Plasma blast, but I think Keldeo's pretty prime to the deck . Mainly as a switching method and a status reliever. If you take it out you're crippling part of the deck that needs to be there, not to mention the water weak pokemon out there. Having the ability to retain energy and one shot with keldeo (instead of using BK), is just as good as retaining energy and one shotting keldeo with genesect.

I mean nobody's done any really extensive testing (I'de consider extensive >50 matches), so we can't do anything but theorymon. But since tcg began, having type advantage has been important (I realize it's not the main part of the deck that has weakness, but a vital part of it does).
 
Aggressiv said:
Dark Void said:
Its sad how often games are determined by a single coin flip. :(

I've heard word of cutting Keldeo from the list after Plasma blast

I dislike coin flips as well. Also,Keldeo-ex was a reprint in japan this month of july. It might come back sooo....
 
Keldeo isn't getting rotated out. He meant that people might cut Keldeo because it doesn't really do as much any more when we've got Float Stone, BKEX, and few status conditions commonly played.
 
Dark Void said:
Keldeo isn't getting rotated out. He meant that people might cut Keldeo because it doesn't really do as much any more when we've got Float Stone, BKEX, and few status conditions commonly played.

gotcha :)
 
Get rid of non-FA Thundurus EX, Deoxys EX, and Lugia EX, because tins. Surprised that hasn't been said yet.
 
So...with the set list being posted today, whats everyones take on the value of catchers?
 
grantm1999 said:
Get rid of non-FA Thundurus EX, Deoxys EX, and Lugia EX, because tins. Surprised that hasn't been said yet.

Even then it'll depend on how people react to the art. Olmost all the people I know thought the promo mewtwo last fall looked terrible so they kept their NXD mewtwos. The full arts will usually stay higher, but if the consumer hates the art that'll change the price. Not to mention FA deoxys and FA thundurus both look terrible compared to the RA imo.
 
AHH! Pokémon Catcher is back! this stinks!


TJed73 said:
So...with the set list being posted today, whats everyones take on the value of catchers?

genesect ex wont be as popular anymore for its ability. Virizion-ex however will be. for price wise i think it will go down at least 10 in USD. hopefully :p
 
Catcher was already in the format. Nobody was going to be teching Genesect for its ability anyway...

I don't mind Catcher being reprinted. Catcher is not a problem and never has been. If Basics were appropriately weaker than Stage 1s and 2s and it took actual effort for even Evolved Pokemon to OHKO things then Catcher would be a fairly balanced card. If Basics are far better than Stage 1s and 2s and the major decks can get an OHKO every turn with ease (aka the current format) then the format is already terrible.
 
Gusto83 said:
I did not know Catcher was in format again in english :( Only in japan that i knew the card was in format.
Catcher has always been a problem for me. though,I do use Catcher as well (I'm such a hypocrite lol)

My opinion on the price i posted still stands. Hopefully ;)

Catcher was reprinted in dark explorers as a shiny that's why it's still in the format before plasma blast comes out .
 
Catcher will go down a bit and it already is. From $15 to about $10-12 already and I think it'll stay around $10-12 which is a great thing for new tcg players for the upcoming season.

I honestly haven't heard why there is so much hype around terrakion nvi yet but I sold my reverse one for a banana price and wondered why o_O. Either way, I won't be using terrakion nvi in the decks I plan to play so w/e.

To the point of Tool Scrappers, rh tool scrappers have been in demand the last couple weeks which is pretty funny. Of course when the tins release Deoxys, Lugia and thundy will drop in price.

Aggressiv and DarkVoid, I think your arguments aren't even hitting the important parts to be fair. Dark you argue the strong points of genesect when I think the advantage over Keldeo/Blastoise is Virizion. T2, the Balloon Animals player will more than likely have 2 genesect powered up and have taken out 2 squirtles, 1 squirtle and heavily damaged Blastoise/Keldeo, or taken out a keldeo. All the while powering up with Emerald Slash. An attack for 100 that fully powers up a decks main attacker is pretty damn good don't you think? Yes, I say powered up fully bar one manual attachment but that's not hard and of course, if that attachment is a plasma energy, you hit whatever you like.

I'm sorry, but without extensive testing, it's easy to see that it has a 60/40 matchup vs. Blastoise. Great players that I know and will talk to can see this. I'm honestly predicting a 70/30 matchup. Balloon Animals also has an advantage over TDK but not everyone will be playing balloons in their Virizion/Genesect deck so eh. I look forward to playing all these awesome non-advantageous Turtle and Pony deck players :).


P.s. I think Virizion NVI will continue to rise with the shiny reprint we'll be getting and rare candy to go back to $4-5.
 
60/40 is accurate ASSUMING you hit the T1 Emerald Slash, which is VERY inconsistent because Plasma Badge/Colress Machine is entirely unreliable. Miss that, and Blastoise has an extreme upper hand (of course it's not that simple, I'm just giving general examples). It's very difficult to keep energy on the field for Virizion/Genesect and early Black Ballistas can completely destroy it. I still would hand the matchup favor over to Blastoise, but I can at least understand people who say otherwise. Just don't make the mistake of thinking that Blastoise is dead because of one deck (which doesn't really even beat it).

Anyhow, I can easily see Catcher dropping to 2-3$, and truthfully it should be lower but it was so overpriced for a while that no one is really willing to sell them for lower than that. The only reason it was so pricey is because the set it was in sucked, and therefore the set sold rather badly and people were in need of them. It was also fairly under-printed and despite it being an uncommon, it didn't show up very often in packs. Since Plasma Blast is a MUCH better set, Catcher really shouldn't be that hard to get your hands on (just as hard as all the other uncommons that are played as a 4-of in ever deck e.g. Juniper).
 
Lugia is the best said:
Gusto83 said:
I did not know Catcher was in format again in english :( Only in japan that i knew the card was in format.
Catcher has always been a problem for me. though,I do use Catcher as well (I'm such a hypocrite lol)

My opinion on the price i posted still stands. Hopefully ;)

Catcher was reprinted in dark explorers as a shiny that's why it's still in the format before plasma blast comes out .

I just seen that it also is now part of plasma blast set
 
Gusto83 said:
TJed73 said:
Catchers stock is down....its been printed in a theme deck

I just got back from a prerelease for plasma blast.

6 packs + 2 more after the end.

1st pack i pulled Full art Virizion-ex and a pokemon catcher
2nd pack Kyurem-ex and one silver mirror
3rd pack reverse foil silver mirror and a bulk silver mirror
Once it ended and i picked up my last 2 packs, I pulled another catcher and a G-scoop.

It was every 1 in 10 packs someone pulled a catcher. It was fun. Also, No secret golden cards!?

well, if the math is right elsewhere, that puts 3 catchers in every box on average.
thats gotta be higher than EPO
 
Gusto83 said:
TJed73 said:
Catchers stock is down....its been printed in a theme deck

I just got back from a prerelease for plasma blast.

6 packs + 2 more after the end.

1st pack i pulled Full art Virizion-ex and a pokemon catcher
2nd pack Kyurem-ex and one silver mirror
3rd pack reverse foil silver mirror and a bulk silver mirror
Once it ended and i picked up my last 2 packs, I pulled another catcher and a G-scoop.

It was every 1 in 10 packs someone pulled a catcher. It was fun. Also, No secret golden cards!?

That's some pretty good pulls. Lucky you.
 
Gusto83 said:
I know right!?

My 4th pack had Prof. Jun and an ultra ball
my 5th and 6th pack had nothing but junk. (out of the first 6 we got)

Catcher is uncommon,so yah...I still stand at 10 USD for it.
No. It got printed in a theme deck.
 
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