The Big Questions - Isreal stopping Gaza aid ships and killing 9 people in the process. Panelists on

RE: The Big Questions - Is Obama right to compare the BP oil leak to the 9/11 bombings?

I think both are equally destructive. But they are also very different because the 9/11 terrorist attacks were intentional. And the oil spill is an accident. BUT I also don't think it's fair to compare Katrina (a natural disaster!) to a disaster caused by humans.

I'm not sure in which context he compared the two. But because 9/11 is such a touchy subject for Americans, he might have been better off by not comparing it at all.
 
RE: The Big Questions - Is Obama right to compare the BP oil leak to the 9/11 bombings?

Question:
Why is 9/11 'a touchy subject' and not the oil spill? It is very obvious that the oil spill's consequences are far more damaging.
 
RE: The Big Questions - Is Obama right to compare the BP oil leak to the 9/11 bombings?

Not to be rude, but you make it sound like 911 wasnt THAT damaging, I was VERY young at the time (Im 12 now, yes, I am young for politics but I want to be a politician) But after hearing about it for all these years and watching the videos, I can see that this may have been the most fearful and confused time in American history.
 
RE: The Big Questions - Is Obama right to compare the BP oil leak to the 9/11 bombings?

Let me put it this way:
If it hurts us directly, we get very sensitive about it, but if something is slowly going to wipe out much more of us in the long run, we don't seem to care as much. Where is the sense in this?
 
RE: The Big Questions - Is Obama right to compare the BP oil leak to the 9/11 bombings?

This is because humans in general do not look far into the future, think about it, Global Warming has been going on for a while now but do we care much as a whole "NO" so, while the oil spill is a bit more immediate, I think it is some of the same thing. (though I am a wildlife lover and am really POed at BP for screwing us over with this crud, plug the Dang, oh sorry, as Obama put it D*** hole and work out the politics later)
 
RE: The Big Questions - Is Obama right to compare the BP oil leak to the 9/11 bombings?

Alright, so going back to the question of comparing 9/11 and the oil spill...

It really doesn't matter because nothing's being done. >=[
 
RE: The Big Questions - Is Obama right to compare the BP oil leak to the 9/11 bombing

Zyflair said:
Alright, so going back to the question of comparing 9/11 and the oil spill...

It really doesn't matter because nothing's being done. >=[
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Yeah, well, thats because BP is devoting all theyr energy to trying to cover theyr back with the government instead of trying to stop the oil!
 
RE: The Big Questions - Is Obama right to compare the BP oil leak to the 9/11 bombings?

Zyflair said:
Question:
Why is 9/11 'a touchy subject' and not the oil spill? It is very obvious that the oil spill's consequences are far more damaging.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't many Americans personally known people who died in the twin towers? That makes it a difficult issue. It will bring up a lot of bad memories when mentioned.
 
RE: The Big Questions - Is Obama right to compare the BP oil leak to the 9/11 bombings?

I'm going to start making these questions go quicker from Monday - 3 days per question.

Please guys say what you want for a question.
 
RE: The Big Questions - Is Obama right to compare the BP oil leak to the 9/11 bombings?

New Question - What do you think of Isreal stopping Gaza aid ships and killing 9 people in the process?
 
RE: The Big Questions - What do you think of Isreal stopping Gaza aid ships and killing 9 people in the process?

I think it was completely uncalled for. But I don't think we should interfere with foreign conflicts. The only thing I belief we should do is to boycott countries that violate human rights, like Israel repetitively has.
 
RE: The Big Questions - What do you think of Isreal stopping Gaza aid ships and killing 9 people in the process?

Ice Espeon said:
WailmerMan said:
I agree with Gale, I never seriously discuss these problems because unless I actually try to help the problem, my opinion is pointless.
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For that, you are on the blacklist.
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Lol, failure. Yes it really is.

Wailmerman is right, what does your opinion matter? To be honest I always try to avoid giving opinions. Only for the sheer fact that an opinion is pointless, yes it really is. Let's take the question of this week 'What do you think of Isreal stopping Gaza aid ships and killing 9 people in the process?' when I give my opinion about this, completely ignoring the fact that I might not be fully aware of the situation and what's going on, in short I don't know much about the subject, let's just ignore the fact that this might be true. Even then I can give you my opinion, and how good I support it with arguments, what would it matter? What would I, or we, achieve with ''my'' opinion. An opinion from a 10 to 20 (on average) years old person. An opinion isn't as valuable as you think it is...

And the ''blacklist''? Evenmorefailure? How can you, as an avarage member, ban someone from posting? Even when he had a point, a good one.
 
RE: The Big Questions - What do you think of Isreal stopping Gaza aid ships and killing 9 people in the process?

I love how people are arguing that discussions like these are pointless while ironically making the discussion itself muddled and eventually pointless without any GOOD input. -_-
 
RE: The Big Questions - What do you think of Isreal stopping Gaza aid ships and killing 9 people in the process?

This is about discussing, so opinions count here. Opinions play a large part of our lives. Say you were buying lunch and you hated one of the options, but then said, "My opinion is pointless", and got that food, ins't that stupid? The goal of discussions is for people to tell each other's opinions and then challenge each other's opinions. You also learn alot more about it than you did already.

In fact you are a hypocrite by giving an opinion on the usefulness of opinions :p

You are on the blacklist. If you can't discuss an issue properly, like not being able to actually talk about the subject, then how come you want to post here.

Blacklisted

EDIT: I 100% agree with (ninj'a-ing) Zyflair.
 
RE: The Big Questions - What do you think of Isreal stopping Gaza aid ships and killing 9 people in the process?

Wolf616 said:
I think it was completely uncalled for. But I don't think we should interfere with foreign conflicts. The only thing I belief we should do is to boycott countries that violate human rights, like Israel repetitively has.
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Please provide evidence to back up this claim. Thank you.
 
Just a few of the many recent examples:

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/israeli-nuclear-whistleblower-returned-solitary-confinement-2010-06-18
"Mordechai Vanunu should not be in prison at all, let alone be held in solitary confinement in a unit intended for violent criminals," said Malcolm Smart, Director of Amnesty International's Middle East Programme. "He suffered immensely when he was held in solitary confinement for 11 years after his imprisonment in 1986 and to return him to such conditions now is nothing less than cruel, inhuman or degrading."


http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/israel-gaza-blockade-must-be-completely-lifted-2010-06-17
Amnesty International on Thursday urged Israel to completely lift without delay its blockade on Gaza, which imposes a collective punishment on 1.4 million Palestinians in clear violation of international law.


http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases/israeli-authorities-must-stop-demolitions-palestinian-homes-2010-06-16-0
“Palestinians living under Israeli occupation face such tight restrictions on what they can build and where that their right to adequate housing is being violated,” said Philip Luther, Amnesty International’s Deputy Director for the Middle East and North Africa. “The Israeli authorities are putting Palestinians in an impossible situation. Whatever choice they make, they face homelessness."


http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/palestinian-activist-faces-prison-sentence-2010-06-11
"The broad scope of Israeli military orders mean that Adeeb Abu Rahma could be imprisoned solely for legitimately exercizing his right to freedom of expression in opposing Israeli policies in the West Bank," said Amnesty International. "If this is the case, we would regard him as a prisoner of conscience who should be released immediately and unconditionally."


You can read a lot more here:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/israel-occupied-palestinian-territories
 
Thanks for the sources, Wolf616; I appreciate you taking the time to post them for me.

I don't understand where two of those articles are coming from though: 1). The first article ignores or at least pays very little attention to the fact that Mordechai Vanunu revealed information about Israel's nuclear arsenal and supposedly has a lot more knowledge of it, and 2). (The second article) Gaza is under the authority/control of Hamas and Israel has openly declared war on Hamas (correct?). According to international law (my source for this is a law student; I can't verify it, but I do know that there are 5 books on maritime law which constitute international law in that area), a blockade is recognized as a legitimate means for one nation to combat another.

I agree that Israel is being very harsh to the Palestinians now, but I suppose that's what the Palestinians get for firing rockets at Israelis, sniping Israelis, blowing up Israelis, teaching their children that Jews are descendant from pigs, that killing a Jew is the most noble thing one can do, and them not actually caring about peace in the first place.
 
1) Mordechai Vanunu was being kept a prisoner because he revealed information about Israel's own army. I doubt he doesn't know anything that the Israeli government doesn't know. And he is not a dangerous criminal. He never harmed anyone. He just published information and photographs that he obtained while he was in the Isreali army.

Also, he already did his time when he was younger. He even got more then the maximum punishment for revealing classified information (which is 15 years in Israel). And now he is being punished once again, for the same crime that he already went to prison for, for 18 years.

2) I'm not sure about these kind of laws. But I trust that Amnesty international does know and fully understands these laws. I think what they are doing is illegal because it's harmful to civilians.

I agree that they have every right to defend themselves. But if they, in the process, do the exact same thing by injuring, killing and discrimination against Palestinians in general, then that is not a very fair solution. And it also makes the situation much worse. Because it just fuels the hatred that Palestinians already have for the Jews. If you are taught that all Jews are evil swine. And they then kill your family and make your life impossible, then you would be pretty angry too. Which makes for a very dangerous next generation, and a continuance of the same kind of violence.

I don't really mind them attacking each other. It's their business and if they don't want to work it out, they should not be forced to do so by other countries. But I do think that, if my country wishes to treat all humans fairly, then they should not do business with other countries that harm people based upon their nationality, race, gender or sexual orientation. Because that's just hypocritical.
 
GODZILLA said:
Thanks for the sources, Wolf616; I appreciate you taking the time to post them for me.

I don't understand where two of those articles are coming from though: 1). The first article ignores or at least pays very little attention to the fact that Mordechai Vanunu revealed information about Israel's nuclear arsenal and supposedly has a lot more knowledge of it, and 2). (The second article) Gaza is under the authority/control of Hamas and Israel has openly declared war on Hamas (correct?). According to international law (my source for this is a law student; I can't verify it, but I do know that there are 5 books on maritime law which constitute international law in that area), a blockade is recognized as a legitimate means for one nation to combat another.

I agree that Israel is being very harsh to the Palestinians now, but I suppose that's what the Palestinians get for firing rockets at Israelis, sniping Israelis, blowing up Israelis, teaching their children that Jews are descendant from pigs, that killing a Jew is the most noble thing one can do, and them not actually caring about peace in the first place.
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No innocent person deserves to be killed. So it is preposterous for you to say 'thats what the Palestinians get...'. Also the Israelis are those who are in the bad. They have caused havoc and its just disgusting tbh. They have killed so many children it is unbelievable. Every single time there is a charity event at my school, we always have to consider those who are residents of gaza since no one else will help. America have shown clearly what side they have chosen (Israelis) and are funding them with weapons to make sure that this oppression against the Palestinians remains.

I am quite offended by what you have said and you should really look at the facts before you say something. There are always two sides of a story.
 
I think you're the one only looking one-sided at this, kashmaster. I can't confirm or deny that Israel has killed many children, but it doesn't sound very true. You also don't realize that we didn't start this war. The Palestinians attacked Israel, we did not attack them. We have a right to defend ourselves from the countless attacks they did on Israel.

I was living in Israel when the Palestinians were bombing Israel. My Uncle's building was destroyed, he was nearly killed and there were many people who weren't as lucky as him. I understand that innocent people should not be killed, but saying that WE'RE the bad ones in this situation? That we are causing more chaos than they did to us? I think that's a far stretch from the truth.

I'm not really sure what you're getting at here, either. Are you defending the Palestinians for what they did? Because trust me, the Palestinians were not "defending" themselves when they were bombing Israel.
 
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