The end of Lv.X's

[Bane]

If your going to bring up the Lv.X is part of the name then the normal Flygon from RR isn't Flygon but Flygon Lv.65. But people don't go calling it that either.

Just because it says Lv X, doesn't mean you should put into account the level of the pokemon cards.

That's if I said "We should call it sky blue clown, because clowns usually don't wear sky blue clowns" and then some one stating "Well, people don't go around saying sky blue sky when they just want to mention the sky.

People call a Lv.X card a Lv.X so that a difference can be made from the normal card

Because it's a different card, with a clearly different name.

Lv.X is not part of the name but simply the supplied level, like on all normal cards.

Then it would be stated on the side, not as the name. The card list that the company that produces the cards clearly states the cards name as "Pokemon Lv X".

Last time I checked, they did anyway.

You COULD say something about delta pokemon, however, we would have to look at Deoxys and it's forms as well, which have the same under title, yet are treated as their own seperate individual cards.

Either way, this part is about the fact that they could have a rule in the rule book and not state it on the Great Pokemon.

Hey, they might not have a special rule to it, but chances are, they will. All the other pokemon like this have had a set of rules.

 

[Waspy]

Daroach pretty much covered everything, but:

And so, I look at this card I thought was called Flygon Lv X, but, according to what you said, it should be Flygon, and so, I guess when we look at the deck list, they're calling it by the wrong name? Also, when we talk about the card, I guess we shouldn't be saying Flygon Lv X either, just Flygon. Man, that might get confusing.

And you pretty much destroy your point by saying:

ex is however part of the name, much liked 'Owned' Pokemon, which is why you can use 16 Charizard, 4 Normal, 4 ex, 4 G/G LvX and 4 Dark.

Take into account the era of the game, intensions and wording. Yes, Flygon LvX is Flygon, the Lv is to denote it is different from some other random Flygon and the X is to signify it is an upgrade. The levels, for all intensive purposes, were just brought back for this mechanic, hence why they are gone now. The way you are going on, you could have 4x Lv56, 4x Lv58, 4x LvX ect.

While yes, the original era had levels, they were not the mainlight, look where the levels are on the old cards and the new cards. Makes it bloody obvious that they returned just for the LvX mechanic. Also, where is the LvX? In the level area. The Level area that is used to differentiate between different versions of the same monster.

ex on the otherhand is ment to be read the same way as G/GL/E4/C/BF. It's era has no way to seperate multiple versions of the same monster, other than set and number. For ex to have the same ruling as LvX's in the EX era, it would need to specificaly state it's rule for deck building, eg: 'Flygon ex is considered the same card as Flygon'.

The HGSS cards are more like EX era than DP/Pt, hence why I linked to the pictures. No denotions of 'great' in the names, no rules, which again, would be there, always has and continues too, no levels, no way to differentiate them at all except the art style, lack of stat data and boarder.

And what about the rules that had stated that you can have 4 Dark Charizards and 4 normal Charizards. The rule isn't printed on the Dark pokemon cards.

Same reason ex pokemon don't. eg: 'Dark Charizard evolves from Dark Charmeleon' 'Blissey ex evolves from either Chansey or Chansey ex'. Dark is part of the name because of the wording of the card.

Maybe there's a rule to it that would just take up too much space it would be ridiculous?

Don't be silly. It would not take that much space to say what the limit or conditions are. Stars/Shinneys have been doing it for years, as have LvXs. Remember, this is pokemon, where most things are spelt out because of the demographic.

And what would people assume if they just went from EX to level X? That they count as different cards compared to the other as well. Lv X is part of the name just as much as Ex, dark, etc is. Also, the rule book says it COUNTS as part of the limit, not that they are the same.

Again, Era, dude, seriously. Is it that hard to compair to cards from the same era, let alone set?

If I recall correctly, there is similar wording refering to the levels of the norms. It's to differentiate in the same era, again, remember, DP was more or less a reboot, just as the E-Reader cards were.

Because it's a different card, with a clearly different name.

Again, Set, Era, Mechanic, I'm becoming a broken record.

Then it would be stated on the side, not as the name. The card list that the company that produces the cards clearly states the cards name as "Pokemon Lv X".

Last time I checked, they did anyway.

AGAIN, Set, Era, Mechanic. The Lv X's have the Lv in the ruling because of the mechanic, not because it is the name.

Also, do we understand 'To Sell ____'? It's toy form is on the Transformers Wiki. The LvXs are a selling point, so of course they make a deal over them.

http://pokebeach.com/scans/rising-rivals/107-hippowdon-lv.x.jpg
http://pokebeach.com/scans/rising-rivals/70-munchlax.jpg
http://pokebeach.com/scans/rising-rivals/69-munchlax.jpg
Take a look at the names. Hippowdon, Munchlax and Munchlax. The Muchlax's have 15 and 13 as their levels respectively. They do not interact with another card called Munchlax, so there is no reason to refer to them by level. Hippowdon is Lv'X', a Level Up card. 'Put onto Hippowdon'. 'Put this card onto your active Hippowdon. Hippowdon LvX can use any attack, power or body of it's Previous Level.' Hippowdon is self referencing it's level because it is interacting with another card named Hippowdon.

Let's read it's attack, it proves my point exactly.
'FFCC: Double Shoot'
Discard 2 F attached to Hippowdon and choose 2 of your opponents Benched Pokemon. This attack does 40 Damage to each of them. (Don't apply Weakness or Resistance to Benched Pokemon)

Note how it says Hippowdon and not Hippowdon LvX when refering to itself by itself? ALL Lv X do this.

 

[Bane]

While yes, the original era had levels, they were not the mainlight, look where the levels are on the old cards and the new cards. Makes it bloody obvious that they returned just for the LvX mechanic. Also, where is the LvX? In the level area. The Level area that is used to differentiate between different versions of the same monster.

|D Where X is printed in huge print. much like FB, GL, Etc. The rule of them counting as the same card was merely an attempt to balance out the game. Don't you think it would be a tad cheap if you were allowed to have four Mewtwo and Mewtwo X's?

Even if I'm wrong, this is not going to remove the fact that there could be rules for the greats.

The HGSS cards are more like EX era than DP/Pt, hence why I linked to the pictures. No denotions of 'great' in the names, no rules, which again, would be there, always has and continues too, no levels, no way to differentiate them at all except the art style, lack of stat data and boarder.

So? Supporters don't have "Supporter" in their name, but they still have a rule. Yes, it's a rule on the card. However, there's also a rule stating that you can't play supporters(as well as items, etc) on the first turn of the game in the rule book. Most card games don't have information like this on the card, so how do you know they won't do it differently? We'll have to see to be sure.

Same reason ex pokemon don't. eg: 'Dark Charizard evolves from Dark Charmeleon' 'Blissey ex evolves from either Chansey or Chansey ex'. Dark is part of the name because of the wording of the card.

And it goes back to what I said before, Lv X is just part of the name. The whole rule only having so many compared to the normal card is for BALANCE.

Don't be silly. It would not take that much space to say what the limit or conditions are. Stars/Shinneys have been doing it for years, as have LvXs. Remember, this is pokemon, where most things are spelt out because of the demographic.

Yes, just like all the other rules I mentioned that are in the rule book, and not even on the playing mat. Who is to say they didn't decide just to change it up and not have the ruling on the card for once? After all, you have to look at the rule book.

Again, Era, dude, seriously. Is it that hard to compair to cards from the same era, let alone set?

ok....Yeah. People go from one era to the next...That's usually when confusion happens. People are bound to assume around the beginning of one era that some things are similar, especially since Lv X cards replaced Ex. I'm pretty sure there were questions asked and mistakes made regarding this.

Again, Set, Era, Mechanic, I'm becoming a broken record.

And thus, if I was to reply to this, I would become a broken record that refuses to stop |D I just don't get why you want to continue this when the same point I made multiple times is the same counter to your statement over and over.

Also, do we understand 'To Sell ____'? It's toy form is on the Transformers Wiki. The LvXs are a selling point, so of course they make a deal over them.

'Put this card onto your active Hippowdon. Hippowdon LvX can use any attack, power or body of it's Previous Level.' Hippowdon is self referencing it's level because it is interacting with another card named Hippowdon.

Termnology. The whole "Previous level" is just the same as saying "The card which is beneath this one which is the form it previously took" but takes up less space.

Discard 2 F attached to Hippowdon and choose 2 of your opponents Benched Pokemon. This attack does 40 Damage to each of them. (Don't apply Weakness or Resistance to Benched Pokemon)

This is merely in place because we have to treat a Lv X, when we speak of it's name, as Hippowdon, for multiple reasons. Interactions with some cards would limit the effect(like if Darkrai used Darkness pursuit on Cressila Lv X). Or, if I was to attack with attack that states the pokemon's name on the previous form (Like with quite a few Dialgas)

Premier ball states "Search for a Pokemon Lv X". If we were to go by what you assumed, when searching for it, we would need to search for a pokemon in our deck that already has the card attached to it, making that pokemon(for example, Hippowdon) the Level X, since the card it's self clearly can't be alone to be level X.

If they were to call it "Super powerful form" instead of "Level X" do you think this argument would be the same? Yet, they would still enforce the same rules, etc.

And if we had to treat the Lv X the same way, we could level up Level X's, since, if Raichu Lv X is just Raichu, I could level it up again under that assumption.

Edit: I realize we are getting extremely off topic. If you wish to discuss the name thing further, I suggest we continue it in PM. I really couldn't care less.

And don't get me wrong, I don't think there's no possibility of there being no rules. However, I am merely saying you shouldn't say it's fact that there will be no rules on Great Pokemon.

 

[dienowacp]

What are 'Great pokemon' cards?

 

[Fuday K.]

I really thought the lv.x cards were cool, too. ): I'd like more..

 

[Pokeman]

I think it is an okay idea I mean great pokemon will rock, and Legends maybe, but Lv. X cards are not going to be bad they are still going to be amazing.

 

[Bane]

I think it is an okay idea I mean great pokemon will rock, and Legends maybe, but Lv. X cards are not going to be bad they are still going to be amazing.

I think you misunderstand the subject. It's about not anymore being produced. The list alright came out, and there's no Level X pokemon it.

 

[Mew the source of all]

I bid farewell to our good mechanic of level Xs, just as I did exs 3 seasons ago when they stopped printing exs. Just like level Xs, and exs before them I hope Great pokemon and LEGEND pokemon bring joy and challenge into the game. Level Xs were great, but HGSS does deserve these innovations in my opinion.