Mitja said:
The Dex entries aren't "made by some random kid". The data is downloaded into the Pokedex itself. Besides, do you really expect the player to know all that about the species after encountering it for all of 5 seconds?
Pokemon The Tree of Legend
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The Dex entries aren't "made by some random kid". The data is downloaded into the Pokedex itself. Besides, do you really expect the player to know all that about the species after encountering it for all of 5 seconds?
Keeper of Night said:
The dex entries to me are like the random joke part of the games or something. And I don't think I ever gained any meaningful insight through them. Any examples?
As for the Regigigas one, how would whoever wrote the dex entry, possibly know that Regigigas created the golems if that were the case?
Bolt the Cat said:
Most of it seems made up or in many cases pure nonsense, that's why.
Magcargo is 10000*C/18000*F...Yep, 5 seconds.
Pokemon are made up creatures, or course the PokeDex entries are made up. So does it really matter who made them or if they seem possible or not?
Mitja said:
Yeah, it's nonsense. To us, in our world. But the Pokemon world is different, it may be possible for things like that to happen. You can't discredit the Pokedex entries just because of that.
I thought I heard in the Sinnoh games that the ancient people who imprisoned Regigias created the other 3 Regis as "keys" to keep him hidden, then traveled by sea to Hoenn and locked them so far away that Regigigas would probably never be awakened. This is why you need the 3 other regis before Regigigas moved, whereas you need no such thing for other trio masters such as Rayquaza, Lugia, Ho-oh, etc. This directly conflicts with the Pokedex entry however, but the Pokedex doesn't explain why the other Regis are so far away and why Gigas won't move without them. This kinda discredits the Pokedex at least in some cases imo.
Equinox said:
the stories we get from the past is usually dismissed and then the real stuff figured out without it, which results in something that contradicts the myth anyway.
I just feel like there is a level of realism possible with the pokemon universe regardless of it being made up. The dex entries tear that picture apart at each occasion.
Equinox said:
Its in braille on the walls of the cave in RSE. Id give more trust in that braille than dex entries any day, even though people creating pokemon in ancient times sounds fishy as hell, when it took some serious technology to produce Porygon or alter Mew...
Mitja said:
Keeper of Night said:
Mitja said:
Allow me to introduce you to Golett and Golurk.
Banette wasn't made by people really, it was a doll that came to life after it was thrown away by it's owner. It seeks revenge.
^I don't get what you mean. Banette wasn't made by people at all, technically or otherwise.
Yes, the doll was created by people, but the pokemon itself isn't really the doll. Just ghost-like enegy that possessed the doll.
FRLG:
Strong feelings of hatred turned a puppet into a Pokémon. If it opens its mouth, its cursed energy escapes.
Sapphire:
A cursed energy permeated the stuffing of a discarded and forgotten plush doll, giving it new life as Banette. The Pokémon's energy would escape if it were to ever open its mouth.
Strong feelings of hatred turned a puppet into a Pokémon. If it opens its mouth, its cursed energy escapes.
Sapphire:
A cursed energy permeated the stuffing of a discarded and forgotten plush doll, giving it new life as Banette. The Pokémon's energy would escape if it were to ever open its mouth.
I would have to say that this is probably the most interesting thing on the whole site. I love it. However, it does get kind of confusing when a connection between Ho-oh, Lugia, and Rayquaza is attempted. I find very little similarity between the two birds and ray. The birds are primarily flying types, thus birds. Ray is primarily a dragon type, thus he is a dragon. Just my thoughts, but that is the only part of the whole "tree" that doesn't really seem to work out in my opinion.
MtheW said:
All 3 are SECONDARY Flying types.
Fire/Flying
Psychic/Flying
Dragon/Flying
The primary types between Rayquaza and the other two seems just as random and unrelated as those of Lugia and Ho-oh between themselves...at least thats how it looks to me.
Ho-oh, Fire, such an elemental and basic type....
then Lugia, Psychic, which is something entirely different, kind of like the mysterious abilities-type...
Rayquaza, is neither elemental, nor has it prominent special abilities, instead it is the mythic Dragon type.
I have this categorisation of types into 3 groups in my mind (and I know this is just my made up fan crap), with 6 being elemental (Fire,Electric,Ice,Grass,Ground,Water), 5 techniques (Psychic, Fighting, Poison, Flying, Dark) and 5 species (Dragon, Bug, Rock, Ghost, Steel), but oddly, these three are one each, and always the one that seems the most straight-forward candidate for a generic epic legendary.
So if Ho-oh was Fire, and Lugia Water/Ice/Electric...you'd have a point and Id have thrown the thought of any connection out the window long ago.
And when looked at it as a conceptual problem of "2 birds, one dragon":
Notice how Ho-oh is literally a bird, alright.
If Lugia was an obvious bird too, similarly as above, the connection would not make sense at all, but its actually more of a flying sea-monster, so the third one being a dragon is not really that much of a stretch as it seems at first.
Even from a design perspective, all 3 have unique styles and different kinds of details.
I mean Lugia and Ho-oh don't have any distinct shared design feature, like the more recent epic legendary groups. They are no more similar inbetween as they are compared to Rayquaza.
A more notable difference imo is that Rayquaza is a part of its trio whereas Lugia and Ho-oh both aren't. The other members of Rayquaza's trio are also stronger than those of Lugia or Ho-oh's. Those, more the first one, imo set them apart.
Edit: Quick something I noticed, in their original regions Ho-oh resides at the top of a tower on land and Rayquaza resides at the top of a tower over water, while Lugia resides at the bottom of a cave in the water and Regigigas is at the bottom of a cave on land. Perhaps that has something to do with how they're related? Probably not though.
Edit: Quick something I noticed, in their original regions Ho-oh resides at the top of a tower on land and Rayquaza resides at the top of a tower over water, while Lugia resides at the bottom of a cave in the water and Regigigas is at the bottom of a cave on land. Perhaps that has something to do with how they're related? Probably not though.
Dark Void said:
Obviously Rayquaza has a bigger connection to Groudon/Kyogre, but they aren't equal. I mean, they're the three weather related legends of Hoenn, yes, but Rayquaza plays the parental role for them.
So I was thinking of Lugia and Ho-oh as its far equals, not the close family below it. Two different kinds of coexisting connections.
Well actually, Lugia and Ho-oh both had a tower each erected for them, but Ho-ohs got destroyed, they both fled, Lugia into the sea, only Ho-oh returned. Since the Brass Tower was a pile of crap, it rests on the Tin tower from then on instead.
So yeah. 3 Flying sentient epic legendaries. Each with a tower.
Notice how their towers also all basically have a hole going through all floors?