Water Toolbox - Seismitoad-EX / Manaphy-EX / Articuno

[JadeGemTM]

I am working on a deck similar to this. Replaced Aegislash with Palkia.
Also took out a shaymin
and a seismitoad and added two glaceon.

 

[I1lucky]

I'd like to run delinquent and hex in the remaining slots as well as switching a toad for a glaceon

 

[DatSonicAce]

NORWAY NATIONALS CHAMPION:
P:10 T:38 E:12
1 Hoopa-EX AOR 89
2 Manaphy-EX BKP 116
1 Glaceon-EX FCO 116
3 Seismitoad-EX FUF 106
2 Shaymin-EX ROS 106
1 Articuno ROS 17
12 Water Energy GEN 77
4 Trainers' Mail AOR 100
1 Hex Maniac AOR 75
4 Max Elixir BKP 102
4 Professor Sycamore BKP 107
1 Skyla BKP 122
3 Fighting Fury Belt BKP 99
3 N FCO 105
2 Lysandre FLF 104
2 Rough Seas PCL 137
1 Dive Ball PCL 161
1 AZ PHF 117
1 Xerosic PHF 119
3 Energy Switch ROS 109
4 VS Seeker ROS 110
4 Ultra Ball PLF 122

 

[DatSonicAce]

I think regice is important for Yveltal EX and Lugia EX matchups. This deck uses a lot of energy to attack most of the time.

More importantly it's this deck's only glimmer of hope against Jolteon

 

[Sabaku]

Okay, so I have a question about Water Box. I'm watching the Seniors Top 4 livestream and seeing this ToadTina deck in action, but it has me wondering "Why doesn't ToadTina take a page from regular Water Box or Darkrai-EX / Giratina-EX and use Basic Energies w/ Max Elixirs?"

Would Water Box be able to work well enough if it went for more of a Giratina-EX build? I'm just curious now.

 

[DatSonicAce]

Okay, so I have a question about Water Box. I'm watching the Seniors Top 4 livestream and seeing this ToadTina deck in action, but it has me wondering "Why doesn't ToadTina take a page from regular Water Box or Darkrai-EX / Giratina-EX and use Basic Energies w/ Max Elixirs?"

Would Water Box be able to work well enough if it went for more of a Giratina-EX build? I'm just curious now.

The answer is simple: No. Giratina does not work with all basic energy. Besides, Water Toolbox performs well enough already.

 

[Sabaku]

The answer is simple: No. Giratina does not work with all basic energy. Besides, Water Toolbox performs well enough already.

But you're using Double Dragon to pay energy costs regardless, and Manaphy-EX alongside it even gives it free retreat just for having Energy in general. If someone were to drop Garbodor for a Huntail line, they could pretty much mimic Darkrai-EX / Giratina-EX, only with better retreat options and a more annoying lock.

 

[Swisco]

Wouldn't octillery be better than shaymin, i mean you can dive ball him and use rough sea for him to counter bench damaging opponents