Finished Werewolf XIII - Gunfire at Dusty Gulch - TOWN WINS

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RE: Werewolf XIII - Gunfire at Dusty Gulch - Day 2 ends Friday, July 13, at 11.59 PM PDT

TheGuy said:
The attempt of lynching, that was one of the reasons I advocated no lynch the first day.

In that case, we may as well turn our focus back on scumhunting because voting No Lynch every day is pretty dumb. Whatever this role is may be a threat to the town, but the Vigilantes are also a threat to the town.

We're getting pretty close to the lynch deadline, so it's time to seriously start looking at people to hang up. I'm in the middle of analyzing what we've seen thus far, and my reads based off of that. There are a couple people who stand out as good lynch targets today, but I want to finish my list before I bring my concerns forward.

If anyone else has any thoughts about who we should go after, that'd be nice. If you and I share the same suspects, that would make me more confident in building a case against him.
 
RE: Werewolf XIII - Gunfire at Dusty Gulch - Day 2 ends Friday, July 13, at 11.59 PM PDT

It's just another reason to say No Lynch > Random Lynch.

But I do believe we should start looking at our evidence, other than Teal and Bippa, I really don't see any options at the moment, what are the suspicions?
 
RE: Werewolf XIII - Gunfire at Dusty Gulch - Day 2 ends Friday, July 13, at 11.59 PM PDT

No Lynch is only better than random lynch when lynching a townie forces us to lose. In all other cases we should roll the dice and hope for the best.

Right now, the only person whose alignment I feel comfortable predicting is Infinity's. I feel he's town, but I don't want to say why at this time.

Here's my tentative scum list. Remember this is NOT COMPLETE and is most definitely subject to change once I get everyone's posts sorted out:

- Puff
- Glace
- King Arceus
- ShadowLugia
 
RE: Werewolf XIII - Gunfire at Dusty Gulch - Day 2 ends Friday, July 13, at 11.59 PM PDT

ebwop

A disclaimer: Just because you aren't on this list doesn't necessarily mean I think you're town. I just need more info first.
 
RE: Werewolf XIII - Gunfire at Dusty Gulch - Day 2 ends Friday, July 13, at 11.59 PM PDT

note on ShadowLugia: he has a protection role. Even if his defense to PMJ doesn't hold up, we should avoid lynching him for now.
 
RE: Werewolf XIII - Gunfire at Dusty Gulch - Day 2 ends Friday, July 13, at 11.59 PM PDT

PMJ, what happened to you confirming KA as town due to his SMod status and the whole forum thing?
 
RE: Werewolf XIII - Gunfire at Dusty Gulch - Day 2 ends Friday, July 13, at 11.59 PM PDT

I realized something that made me reconsider things.
 
RE: Werewolf XIII - Gunfire at Dusty Gulch - Day 2 ends Friday, July 13, at 11.59 PM PDT

I'm unfortunately not experienced enough to the game to write out a possible scum list. Though are you writing the people that are more likely to be scum based on their posts?
 
RE: Werewolf XIII - Gunfire at Dusty Gulch - Day 2 ends Friday, July 13, at 11.59 PM PDT

Zyflair - I'm not either. What I'm doing is keeping tabs on everyone, looking at things I find suspicious, inconsistencies, revelations, etc. You don't have to be an experienced player to keep track of stuff you find fishy. I think that it helps you get better.

Nengeni - You said Argetlam used a night role for the third time last night. How do you know it's the third usage? There have only been two Nights.
 
RE: Werewolf XIII - Gunfire at Dusty Gulch - Day 2 ends Friday, July 13, at 11.59 PM PDT

I'm going to be gone till the end of this week. I SHOULD have internet, but I will be quite inactive, if at all.

As for Argetlam, maybe he has two night roles, and he used both night 0 and only one of them night 1.
 
RE: Werewolf XIII - Gunfire at Dusty Gulch - Day 2 ends Friday, July 13, at 11.59 PM PDT

I don't know why I am on the possible scum list, I guess I said something stupid that I didn't realize =/.


ComfortEagle said:
note on ShadowLugia: he has a protection role. Even if his defense to PMJ doesn't hold up, we should avoid lynching him for now.

Thanks for telling the wolves...
 
RE: Werewolf XIII - Gunfire at Dusty Gulch - Day 2 ends Friday, July 13, at 11.59 PM PDT

What did I ever do to get on the list?
 
RE: Werewolf XIII - Gunfire at Dusty Gulch - Day 2 ends Friday, July 13, at 11.59 PM PDT

Aside from Puff I can't really tell what is scum-like about what these people did. Care to explain PMJ? (I'm not doubting or disagreeing with you as of now, just honestly not sure what your reasons are for some of those suspicions).
 
RE: Werewolf XIII - Gunfire at Dusty Gulch - Day 2 ends Friday, July 13, at 11.59 PM PDT

I did do one stupid thing that I can remember this game, and that was helping with the calculations for if there is a Texas Ranger among voters. Luckily it was caught in time, but I was not the only one. I admit, that was really stupid. Sorry for being sorta new to Werewolf.... I hope that isn't enough to vote me off though because it wasn't just me. IIRC, and I may not recall correctly, Zyflair was involved too, but s/he isn't there. But honestly, if I am going something dumb, tell me at the end of the game or even now so I don't hurt the town anymore.
 
RE: Werewolf XIII - Gunfire at Dusty Gulch - Day 2 ends Friday, July 13, at 11.59 PM PDT

PMJ said:
Nengeni - You said Argetlam used a night role for the third time last night. How do you know it's the third usage? There have only been two Nights.

That is my point. I can target someone and tell how many times they've used a night role. Hence why I was a little suspicious.

I haven't read anything else, so I'll respond to anything the next time I can post.
 
RE: Werewolf XIII - Gunfire at Dusty Gulch - Day 2 ends Friday, July 13, at 11.59 PM PDT

Glace said:
I did do one stupid thing that I can remember this game, and that was helping with the calculations for if there is a Texas Ranger among voters. Luckily it was caught in time, but I was not the only one. I admit, that was really stupid. Sorry for being sorta new to Werewolf.... I hope that isn't enough to vote me off though because it wasn't just me. IIRC, and I may not recall correctly, Zyflair was involved too, but s/he isn't there. But honestly, if I am going something dumb, tell me at the end of the game or even now so I don't hurt the town anymore.

I know how you feel. We're both new -- To Werewolf, that is -- and new people make bad mistakes. I learned this first hand when I, too, did something stupid in attacking TDL. I didn't have my info correct.

I admit, that was dumb of me to do, but I am new and I, like I said before, made a terrible mistake.


I will be gone for the rest of the game day. I will probably have the ability for Interwebz, but I am uncertain at this time.
 
RE: Werewolf XIII - Gunfire at Dusty Gulch - Day 2 ends Friday, July 13, at 11.59 PM PDT

Glace said:
I don't know why I am on the possible scum list, I guess I said something stupid that I didn't realize =/.

No, I can safely say that this is not the case. Though I will say that you are probably the weakest link I've got. At this point, I feel better about the others than you, if that's any consolation.

King Arceus said:
What did I ever do to get on the list?

When the whole thing was going on with the usergroup problems, I explained to everyone why I (and by extension, you) was obviously town. It seemed like a foolproof clearing, but then I realized that we're really not the same. See, I can prove I had a conversation with DNA about setting up the new wolf forum in which I said that if I drew wolf I would do it anyway. The fact that DNA had issues setting it up proves that I didn't get wolf (because if I had, he wouldn't have had issues).

The difference here is that you don't have that option because it never happened. When I told DNA to ask a super mod who wasn't playing, I actually mentioned Celebi since he was the first one who came to mind. It is entirely possible that you drew wolf and DNA had CMP set the mod forum up anyway regardless of whether or not he actually did it. DNA told me he asked CMP to do it, and that's the truth. But was it necessary? I don't know.

Of course, I couldn't very well point this out because if you somehow got lynched and turned out to be scum, that would be a huge red flag that I was lying, too, and I don't think I'd be able to get myself out of a bind like that. Now that Cinesra has definitively proved that I'm town, I feel a lot safer coming forward about this.

All this said, you haven't done or said anything particularly scummy. I just can't help but think that if you _were_ scum and saw my reasoning for why I was town, you'd be a fool not to try and use the same defense because it's pretty much bulletproof.

tl;dr I can't vouch for you as town because your defense was my defense which was rendered moot by Cinesra's inspection of me.

Nengeni said:
That is my point. I can target someone and tell how many times they've used a night role. Hence why I was a little suspicious.

I haven't read anything else, so I'll respond to anything the next time I can post.

That's what I thought. Just wanted some confirmation, thanks.

Adding Bisharp37 to scum list because he's a gen 5 fanboy and hates any region not named Unova, clearly this is the mindset of pure scum

ShadowLugia may have a protection role, but scum had one last game too. Just because he has a protection role absolutely does not mean he's town, and we should keep this in mind for the future. Not saying he's scum for sure, but I am saying that he shouldn't be absolved of guilt just because he has a protection role.

Puff just seems to want to cast blame anywhere and everywhere. He also tried to draw focus away from finding Vigilantes and put all our attention on TheGuy's enemy. While it's true that he is a danger to the town, the Vigilantes are just as big a threat and should not be ignored.

"but pmj ur stuff is weak bro" Yeah well this is Day 2, deal with it. If I live long enough to refine this list, I will. Take from my analyses what you will; we're closing in on the deadline and still have no suspects.

Now that Nengeni has confirmed my suspicions, I'm curious as to what a town player could possibly do with the knowledge of how many times a night ability has been used. Scum could easily use that to pinpoint seers, doctors, or any important town role (one that can be used every night as opposed to only once or twice). So he's on the list too.

Despite what I just said, I think that as weak as our knowledge is, Puff is still my strongest link for lynch today. I don't want to be like scumbag HypnoticLuxray and vote once the entire game after living until Day 9, so:

Vote: Puff
 
RE: Werewolf XIII - Gunfire at Dusty Gulch - Day 2 ends Friday, July 13, at 11.59 PM PDT

Glace said:
I did do one stupid thing that I can remember this game, and that was helping with the calculations for if there is a Texas Ranger among voters. Luckily it was caught in time, but I was not the only one. I admit, that was really stupid. Sorry for being sorta new to Werewolf.... I hope that isn't enough to vote me off though because it wasn't just me. IIRC, and I may not recall correctly, Zyflair was involved too, but s/he isn't there. But honestly, if I am going something dumb, tell me at the end of the game or even now so I don't hurt the town anymore.
It's perfectly fine. The worst that could happen from it is that scum have a list of people to check if they want to rid themselves of double voters. Interestingly enough, they didn't vote from that list, which is just plain strange. I guess they didn't care about the sheriff and still got him anyway. :x

Either they got lucky or information. I'm more willing to bet the later. In any case, there's still a double voter out there, so all's not lost.
I'd like to vote for Puff, given the argument, but the agressive one is not necessarily the wolfish one. I was incredibly trigger-happy last game and I ended up having to defend myself and sat in the backseat from that point on.

... I'd also like to point out that on the topic of those bizarre notes, when I looked at the roster, Puff is the first person to sign up (number one). It's probably a coincidence though; under that kind of reasoning, you can accuse One Approved at the same time, just because his username has the number.

I've got a midterm today, so I'll recollect my thoughts and post more later.
 
RE: Werewolf XIII - Gunfire at Dusty Gulch - Day 2 ends Friday, July 13, at 11.59 PM PDT

PMJ said:
Despite what I just said, I think that as weak as our knowledge is, Puff is still my strongest link for lynch today. I don't want to be like scumbag HypnoticLuxray and vote once the entire game after living until Day 9, so:

Like a boss. Really, the first three or so days, all of the voting happened before I had a chance to log on, and after that I really didn't agree with many of the lynches. Then after a while, I thought maybe I just shouldn't vote, to keep the trend
 
RE: Werewolf XIII - Gunfire at Dusty Gulch - Day 2 ends Friday, July 13, at 11.59 PM PDT

We're running out of time, and I still feel like we're flailing around helplessly. It's gotten to the point where I don't care if you guys want to kill me or not so long as we at least kill someone today.

I'll be voting for Puff. What PMJ noticed was incredible. Between him and Kecleon-X (I'm not voting for myself), I think Puff is more scummy. If I recall correctly, this is Kecleon-X's first game (so newbie card applies here), but Puff played in the last game, so he should know how to act.

Unvote: Riskbreakers
Vote: Puff


Like I said, I want us to get somewhere. If you take this as "hurr durr bippa stop unvoting and revoting you scum!!!!111!!!!1!", then so be it. We've got about 56 hours left in the day, so if we want to lynch someone, we don't have much time to come to a consensus.
 
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