Finished Werewolf XVI: A New Melee. Rejects Win.

[RaichuGirl]

RE: Werewolf XVI: A New Melee. Day 10 ends June 6

Oh please, If I was a wolf and had the dragoon I would have targeted luckyfire, a confirmed town, rather than Starboard Drigger, who looked quite sus; I thought he had a really high chance of being a wolf. That being said, the only way I can prove I don't have the dragoon is if the person who used it admits to it. To me, that person is clearly MtC; as for why he's not admitting to it, I'm not sure. Maybe he wants to frame me which would lead to the towns loss.

People left
Me - useless smash ball ability which no longer does anything; complete immunity to everything now that their are no more final smashes, and a final smash that could have proved me as town which I now can't use due to their being no smash balls =.=
No abilities that can currently target other players specifically.

Teal (I did address him in my paragraph under the people who have no targetable abilities, why did you ignore that?). He's used the ability that targets a specific player already,(On DNA, from memory) so he has no way to target me and steal my dragoon piece.

Sir Taco. Same boat as teal; he's used his one time ability (On luckyfire) and has no way to steal it.

Luckyfire. She's inactive, and has no way to target a player specifically.

Boss. Same as teal and Sir Taco; he's used his one time ability (On astra) and has no way to target me specifically.

That leaves you as the only player in this game who has some sort of target ability (Presuming that everyone is telling the truth about their roles, which I know can't be possible, but let's just look at what we have for now.) Looking back, you're the only who hasn't revealed your role too; what are you hiding?

The only other ability that can target apart from yours as far as I'm aware is the wolf kill, but that was used on porygon, not me.

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XVI: A New Melee. Day 10 ends June 6

Oh please, If I was a wolf and had the dragoon I would have targeted luckyfire, a confirmed town, rather than Starboard Drigger, who looked quite sus; I thought he had a really high chance of being a wolf. That being said, the only way I can prove I don't have the dragoon is if the person who used it admits to it. To me, that person is clearly MtC; as for why he's not admitting to it, I'm not sure. Maybe he wants to frame me which would lead to the towns loss.

If you're a wolf, and had the Dragoon and targeted Luckyfire, we would probably find out it was you and you'd be the oh-so-obvious next lynch. Yes, you could convince the town to lynch Starboard the next day, but you can do the same today with Boss.

I also may not be able to target someone every night. For all you know, that was a 1 time use ability I used on Chillarmy when I got his Dragoon Pieces. Obviously, someone is lying about there ability, so there's a chance it wasn't you, and it was Sir Taco or Teal who stole the pieces.

I don't really want to reveal my role right now, because it gives the wolves more info, and right now I think it's better to risk getting someone else lynched and not having to reveal.

Teal (I did address him in my paragraph under the people who have no targetable abilities, why did you ignore that?). He's used the ability that targets a specific player already,(On DNA, from memory) so he has no way to target me and steal my dragoon piece.

I said in the last paragraph. That post made it seem like you thought Sir Taco was the only person capable of lying about not having a certain ability.


Also, RaichuGirl, please unvote me and either keep it that way or vote for Boss. He has no abilities left. If you want any credibility on being a town, you should do one of the things I suggested.

 

[Poseidon]

RE: Werewolf XVI: A New Melee. Day 10 ends June 6

Oh please, If I was a wolf and had the dragoon I would have targeted luckyfire, a confirmed town, rather than Starboard Drigger, who looked quite sus; I thought he had a really high chance of being a wolf. That being said, the only way I can prove I don't have the dragoon is if the person who used it admits to it. To me, that person is clearly MtC; as for why he's not admitting to it, I'm not sure. Maybe he wants to frame me which would lead to the towns loss.

If you're a wolf, and had the Dragoon and targeted Luckyfire, we would probably find out it was you and you'd be the oh-so-obvious next lynch. Yes, you could convince the town to lynch Starboard the next day, but you can do the same today with Boss.

I also may not be able to target someone every night. For all you know, that was a 1 time use ability I used on Chillarmy when I got his Dragoon Pieces. Obviously, someone is lying about there ability, so there's a chance it wasn't you, and it was Sir Taco or Teal who stole the pieces.

I don't really want to reveal my role right now, because it gives the wolves more info, and right now I think it's better to risk getting someone else lynched and not having to reveal.

Teal (I did address him in my paragraph under the people who have no targetable abilities, why did you ignore that?). He's used the ability that targets a specific player already,(On DNA, from memory) so he has no way to target me and steal my dragoon piece.

I said in the last paragraph. That post made it seem like you thought Sir Taco was the only person capable of lying about not having a certain ability.


Also, RaichuGirl, please unvote me and either keep it that way or vote for Boss. He has no abilities left. If you want any credibility on being a town, you should do one of the things I suggested.

You understand that if there is a townlynch today, the wolves autowin, correct? We can't lose any town.

Also, LF is confotown. She is lynchproof, and a lynchproof wolf makes no sense. Therefore, my point still stands. Everyone that could possibly be a wolf has posted since I voted for you. All they would need is a quickhammer for game. So why not just quickhammer you?

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XVI: A New Melee. Day 10 ends June 6

You understand that if there is a townlynch today, the wolves autowin, correct? We can't lose any town.

Also, LF is confotown. She is lynchproof, and a lynchproof wolf makes no sense. Therefore, my point still stands. Everyone that could possibly be a wolf has posted since I voted for you. All they would need is a quickhammer for game. So why not just quickhammer you?

I never said Luckyfire was a wolf. And yes, I understand that lynching a townie means game over. We currently need 4 votes to lynch. The wolves would need to get 2 other people to vote for a non wolf for them to quick hammer them. Factoring in all the possible combinations of remaining wolves, I'm pretty sure it's been impossible for the wolves to quick hammer a townie.

 

[Poseidon]

RE: Werewolf XVI: A New Melee. Day 10 ends June 6

Oh, hey, look, I forgot how to math!

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XVI: A New Melee. Day 10 ends June 6

Well, it's June 6th, and I have no idea when the Day is going to end because someone didn't add an exact time the day will end, and for some reason, Boss isn't changing his vote to Teal, and I really don't want to end this day with no lynch, so I'll go with Boss and vote for RaichuGirl.

Unvote: <Teal>
Vote: <RaichuGirl>

Another piece of evidence I found. Remember when Boss and Chillarmy missed with there 100% accuracy attacks? Well, none of the wolves that have died had any way to make attacks miss or lower there accuracy, and if I'm the last wolf, there's no way I could've/would've made another wolf miss his own attack, so either RaichuGirl, Teal or Sir Taco has some way to do that. And coincidentally, RaichuGirl has an ability that makes wolves miss there attacks. Hmmmmmmmmm.

 

[Teal]

RE: Werewolf XVI: A New Melee. Day 10 ends June 6

Wait, the day has a set end date for today? I somehow managed to miss that...

Well, none of the wolves that have died had any way to make attacks miss or lower there accuracy, and if I'm the last wolf, there's no way I could've/would've made another wolf miss his own attack, so either RaichuGirl, Teal or Sir Taco has some way to do that.

This sentence makes no sense. Could you re-phrase your thoughts?


The only possible wolf combos (well from my pov) are still MtC&Boss / Raichu&Taco.

Here are the arguments that have been presented:

Against MtC&Boss:
- General behaviour (definitely)
- Masons safeclaim
- Surviving
- Target roles

For MtC&Boss:
- Punching Astra

Against Raichu&Taco:
- Raichu's item got "stolen", but could it be? (see below)
- DoubleTeam could be something from Roy
- Raichugirl has an ability that affects the Smash Ball (not sure how exactly this is against her?)
- Taco's confusing claim behaviour

For Raichu&Taco:
- General behaviour (imo)
- Raichu admitting right away to owning a Dragoon piece when asked (why on earth would a wolf do this?)
- Early indie claim

I just searched for the Dragoon PM in the thread:

You have Dragoon Part B, one of three pieces of the legendary Air Ride machine, Dragoon. (This is a special item and you may hold it alongside a non-Dragoon item.) It does nothing on its own, but it's colorful and pretty to look at. If you are targeted with any abilities while holding this item, you will automatically drop it and the person who used the ability on you will pick it up.

Raichugirl's role says:

Ability: Double Team
You are immune to all other players' ability effects. (Does not guard against effects of Final Smashes.)

So she can be targeted, but she is immune to the ability effects. Logically this would mean that her piece can be stolen... :/

I still think that MtC&Boss are more suspicious, mainly because I don't think Taco is much suspicious at all, and if Raichu is indeed town then I can't let the voting end like this, so:

Vote: Machamp the Champion

Now it's a tie. Even if the day ends with a tie, we would still have one day after this (5 players, 2 wolves).

 

[Bo$$_89]

RE: Werewolf XVI: A New Melee. Day 10 ends June 6

Please Unvote. I don't want that wolves hammering right now especially on Machamp. If you're going to need to lynch one of us, let it be me.

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XVI: A New Melee. Day 10 ends June 6

Well, none of the wolves that have died had any way to make attacks miss or lower there accuracy, and if I'm the last wolf, there's no way I could've/would've made another wolf miss his own attack, so either RaichuGirl, Teal or Sir Taco has some way to do that.

This sentence makes no sense. Could you re-phrase your thoughts?

We still haven't figured out how Boss and Chillarmy missed with there 100% accuracy attacks, correct? Both of them are town-aligned, so it's likely that this was caused by a wolf. It couldn't be because of one of the wolves that have already died because none of there abilities do anything like that. I couldn't have caused it, because I know Boss isn't a wolf. This would mean that either you, RaichuGirl or Sir Taco caused them to miss.

If your opinion is that Boss is a wolf, then the things that caused Boss and Chillarmy to miss were most likely unrelated. I guess that's still pretty plausible, but the first option seems more likely to me (obviously I'm being a little biased).

Against Raichu&Taco:
- Raichugirl has an ability that affects the Smash Ball (not sure how exactly this is against her?)

Because it's likely that Raichu has that ability, just instead of making wolves miss, it makes town miss.

Please Unvote. I don't want that wolves hammering right now especially on Machamp. If you're going to need to lynch one of us, let it be me.

The wolves aren't going to hammer, because they're already voting for me. :\ But seriously, Teal and Raichu, you should either change your votes to Boss, or unvote.

 

[Poseidon]

RE: Werewolf XVI: A New Melee. Day 10 ends June 6

3 town left, 2 Wolves, 1 Indie. If we lynch town and then they NK town, town loses, that leaves two wolves and one town, which is game.

 

[Teal]

RE: Werewolf XVI: A New Melee. Day 10 ends June 6

Boss, your logic is flawed, because you must be the wolves... if I unvote we would very probably lynch a townie and it's GG... and if you are the wolves, there is nobody who can hammer anyway, so we get a tie which is ok because we get one more day.

And how could I change to boss? The day might end before RaichuGirl changes... and how does that really matter anyway?

Machamp, you are saying I am a wolf? Are you seriously telling me that I just happened to make up my role so that it happens to match Fox's (remember Kirby and Dedede) in a very logical way? And take the risk of sounding like a cover role for Wolf while not being him?

For all we know both scum and town can have an ability that makes the other team miss the Smash Ball...


I have to go sleep now, it's 4:24 AM. :/

 

[RaichuGirl]

RE: Werewolf XVI: A New Melee. Day 10 ends June 6

If you're a wolf, and had the Dragoon and targeted Luckyfire, we would probably find out it was you and you'd be the oh-so-obvious next lynch. Yes, you could convince the town to lynch Starboard the next day, but you can do the same today with Boss.

I also may not be able to target someone every night. For all you know, that was a 1 time use ability I used on Chillarmy when I got his Dragoon Pieces. Obviously, someone is lying about there ability, so there's a chance it wasn't you, and it was Sir Taco or Teal who stole the pieces.

I don't really want to reveal my role right now, because it gives the wolves more info, and right now I think it's better to risk getting someone else lynched and not having to reveal.

Teal (I did address him in my paragraph under the people who have no targetable abilities, why did you ignore that?). He's used the ability that targets a specific player already,(On DNA, from memory) so he has no way to target me and steal my dragoon piece.

I said in the last paragraph. That post made it seem like you thought Sir Taco was the only person capable of lying about not having a certain ability.


Also, RaichuGirl, please unvote me and either keep it that way or vote for Boss. He has no abilities left. If you want any credibility on being a town, you should do one of the things I suggested.

The first paragraph makes no sense to me. We don't technically know who killed Starboard (Although I am 99% certain it's you), so in my hypothetical situation that I had the dragoon and killed lucky, how would I be an obvious lynch.

I find it a strange coincidence that Boss's lone vote killed dark void yesterday, after he refused to reveal. Then he only other person who refused to real died. Looks to me like he was gathering information on the town to see who he should kill, and since he didn't know what those roles were he killed them. He also pressured everyone to reveal except you (because you hadn't thought of a realistic fake role yet?)

I mentioned Sir Taco as an afterthought, because whether town on wolf are lynched today, he still wins. I felt that he would have no reason to prove that I don't have the dragoon. Why do you choose to only mention that I didn't mention teal though. Boss (and even lucky, although she's inactive, so not really) could have a hidden ability.

I took back that Sir Taco had it soon after though, because I saw that he was genuinely trying to help the town, so why would he not reveal to having the dragoon? That would spare me of all this reckless voting.

As I said when I voted, I shall unvote if you tell the truth about having the dragoon. (Or if anyone else admits to having it, but I am more sure than not that you have it.)

Also, it's clear that the "wolves" won't spam lynch you, Machamp, as lucyfire and Sir taco, confirmed town and indie haven't voted. I can't be spam voted because (who I believe are the two last wolves, as I can't possibly see how any combination of everyone else can be wolves. I believe that Sir Taco's an indie, ad lucky and teal are town) because the two last wolves are already voting for me.

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XVI: A New Melee. Day 10 ends June 6

The first paragraph makes no sense to me. We don't technically know who killed Starboard (Although I am 99% certain it's you), so in my hypothetical situation that I had the dragoon and killed lucky, how would I be an obvious lynch.

Because you would've killed a confirmed townie, and there would be no doubt that you're a wolf. It's already pretty obvious that you killed Starboard.

Your reason for voting for me makes no sense. Basically what you're saying is your always going to vote for the second worst vote possible because of something I didn't do. Why would me saying I used the Dragoon (which I didn't) make me less wolfy? Even if I used it on Starboard, admitting it would probably make me seem like even more of a wolf. Voting for Bo$$ is 100% the better move, unless you're a wolf. Like, seriously, there's no reason a townie would vote for me.

Are you seriously telling me that I just happened to make up my role so that it happens to match Fox's (remember Kirby and Dedede) in a very logical way?

Umm... This sentence makes no sense. That's not what I'm saying, and I think your role completely does not match Fox's. And Kirby and Dedede had next to nothing to do with each other, other then having the same ability.

 

[RaichuGirl]

RE: Werewolf XVI: A New Melee. Day 10 ends June 6

Because you would've killed a confirmed townie, and there would be no doubt that you're a wolf. It's already pretty obvious that you killed Starboard.

Your reason for voting for me makes no sense. Basically what you're saying is your always going to vote for the second worst vote possible because of something I didn't do. Why would me saying I used the Dragoon (which I didn't) make me less wolfy? Even if I used it on Starboard, admitting it would probably make me seem like even more of a wolf. Voting for Bo$$ is 100% the better move, unless you're a wolf. Like, seriously, there's no reason a townie would vote for me.

At this point, you're right, I won't unvote you. I started out by voting for you just because you stole my dragoon part and killed Star, (I didn't even accuse you of being a wolf back then, I just wanted you to admit that you stole it from me, proving my abilities and that I wasn't the one who killed Star.) It's clear that you'll do neither now, because you know that revealling you ha the dragoon would allow me to prove my ability and townness; as a wolf, you obviously can't do that, can you. I can no longer see how anyone other than you and boss could be the final wolves.

It's clear that you're only trying to sway the vote to boss since you have the dragoon. With boss lynched, it's 1-3 -1, with Sir Taco siding with the town, making it four to just you, the last wolf. But with the nightkill and the dragoon kill, that'll put us down to 1-2. You'll obviously leave luckyfire alive, meaning that they'l be one active wolf to one active town (or honorary town - that's what I'll call you from now on, Sir Taco); which means no majority; you have a decent chance of winning, as luckyfire probably won't suddenly become active. You can force it to night again, killing someone which would lead to the wolfs winning. If you lynch me now, like you are trying to do, you'll definitely win, but you're trying to force us to change our votes to your scum pal Boss in order to have a chance of winning if a wolf does die tonight.

If we did lynch you, boss wouldn't have the dragoon, he'd only possibly get the numbers to 1-3 town, which us town a majority and the win.

Teal's role all adds up to me, I now completely trust Sir Taco, and luckyfire is so very confirmed town that I should't even mention her here; although she is inactive. Looking back, Boss's role dosn't include his final smash, or mention anything about being in a mason group with you, Machamp. Machamp is hiding his entire role from us, why? He and boss were all for pressuring townspeople to reveal, yet he isn't willing to reveal his role (Probably because it's not town).

Also, I just asked PMJ if I could quote the night 9 PM that he sent me, and he said yes - so here's some proof that I had my piece stolen. It was titled Werewolf XVI - Night 9. This is literally the only night PM I've ever received, as I don't have a night role. (It was really boring at night for me).

You lost Dragoon Part A.

Can I quote this?

yes. you can say anything about anything.

 

[Poseidon]

RE: Werewolf XVI: A New Melee. Day 10 ends June 6

Alright, Teal it is.

VOTE: <Teal>

I might add something to the argument against MTC. This vote was way to opportunistic. Perhaps a wolf trying to reach a lynch without the town being able to discuss?

VOTE: MACHAMP THE CHAMPION

Oh, if you are Diddy Kong, MtC... can we call you Machamp the Chimpion?

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XVI: A New Melee. Day 10 ends June 6

Alright, Teal it is.

VOTE: <Teal>

I might add something to the argument against MTC. This vote was way to opportunistic. Perhaps a wolf trying to reach a lynch without the town being able to discuss?

VOTE: MACHAMP THE CHAMPION

Oh, if you are Diddy Kong, MtC... can we call you Machamp the Chimpion?

You're kidding me with this, right? You're basically just confirming that Teal and Raichu are the wolves, and you're siding with them. No townie or anyone siding with town would do this. Sign. Since I'm pretty much just dead, I might as well reveal everything.

Role: Diddy Kong
Alignment: Brawlers

You are DK's little buddy Diddy Kong. You and DK are inseparable, even more so in this conflict. Unlike Donkey, however, you have no issue with using weapons and prefer them to hand-to-hand combat.

Attack 1: Rocketbarrel Boost (15/100)

Ability: Super Pimp Daddy Ape
You may speak to Donkey Kong privately. His identity will be sent in a separate PM.

Ability: Popgunpoint
Once a night you may PM me the name of a player. You will hold your gun to that player's head, intimidating them. They won't be able to use any abilities during that night.

Final Smash: Rocketbarrel Barrage
When you use this ability, you may choose a player. He will die. Other players will also die depending on that player's position in the player list and the time of day you use this ability. You will also be deathproof for one day and one night after using this ability.

Win Condition: At least one Brawlers-aligned player is alive when all threats are eliminated

And here's Boss' entire role for more proof.

Role: Donkey Kong
Alignment: Brawlers

You are the super pimp daddy ape Donkey Kong. Clad in only a necktie, you use your fists to rain judgment down on everyone and send them TO THE MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

Attack 1: Head Butt (20/60)

Ability: Little Buddy
You may speak to Diddy Kong privately. His identity will be sent in a separate PM.

Ability: Giant Punch
Once a game you may kill any player. You will be outed as the source of this kill.

Final Smash: Conga Beat
When you use this ability, choose three players. Those players will lose all abilities for the next three days and three nights. During this time, the Smash Ball will skip over you. At the end of the third night, one of those players will be randomly chosen to die.

Win Condition: At least one Brawlers-aligned player is alive when all threats are eliminated

I did kill Starboard with the Dragoon. And also Raichu, the Dragoon only has one kill (just like in Brawl). I had the Bunny Hood last night, which allowed me to target 2 people with Popgunpoint (by the way, it REALLY bugs me that that's one word), which is how I got all the pieces that night. I targeted Raichu that night, so I'm pretty sure she's Mewtwo, and not Roy- the current alpha.

The night before, I targeted Raichu while she still had her Dragoon piece, and I didn't get it. So that means there must be a wolf role blocker. The wolf role blocker is the reason I haven't been revealing, because they would role block me, and I wouldn't get to use my role blocking power. The reason I was voting for Teal instead of RaichuGirl was because I had already blocked her, so I wanted to get rid of one of the people I hadn't blocked, and then block the other, in case Sir Taco was a wolf.

Sir Taco, you can side with the town and vote for RaichuGirl, or continue to side with the obvious wolves.

 

[RaichuGirl]

RE: Werewolf XVI: A New Melee. Day 10 ends June 6

How is he confirming teal and I as wolves? He's siding with the town to bring you two scum down. If you blocked me and it apparently went through my ability like you claim, how can I be a wolf? The kill still happened. Also I KNEW YOU HAD THE DRAGOON. TOLD YOU ALL SO! *coughs* ...

Also, there's something not right in your so called role in that your final smash only apparently works on males. If it was legit, wouldn't it say something like "The player you choose will die, not just "he" will die.

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XVI: A New Melee. Day 10 ends June 6

How is he confirming teal and I as wolves?

Because there's no way that 3 town sided people would be dumb enough to vote for me and not Boss.

If you blocked me and it apparently went through my ability like you claim, how can I be a wolf?

Because you're not the alpha, or you have an ability that protects you from all powers. Exactly like the ability you're claiming to have anyway.

Also, there's something not right in your so called role in that your final smash only apparently works on males. If it was legit, wouldn't it say something like "The player you choose will die, not just "he" will die.

R.O.B.'s role.

Role: R.O.B.
Alignment: None

You are the Robotic Operating Buddy peripheral, released for the NES back in 1985. You tire of all of this ridiculous violence and don't care to get involved, but you will defend yourself in this conflict and just hope you can live through it.

Attack 1: Robo Beam (x/100), where x is 8 times the number of players who receive the Smash Ball before you do

Ability: System.out.println("Hello World!");
Once each day, you may PM me the name of a player and a question you would like to anonymously ask that player about his or her role PM. During the following night, I will send that player your question. When he replies, I will show it to you, and any lies in his reply will be highlighted in red. You are obsessed with fairness, however, so you may not ask questions involving a player's win condition or alignment, and all of your messages must begin with the question "Hello, how are you?" or they will not be sent.

Final Smash: Diffusion Beam
When you use this ability, you will be deathproof for 3 days and 3 nights, including the day or night when you use this ability.

Win Condition: Live to see the end of the game

I'm pretty sure there's a few more that say he that I can't find from scrolling through random pages of this thread.

Also, since the day still hasn't ended, you probably have to vote for Boss instead. That gives the town a slight chance of winning.

 

[RaichuGirl]

RE: Werewolf XVI: A New Melee. Day 10 ends June 6

I suppose it does say he on Sir Tacos role, but that far from clears you as a wolf. Also, if your ability apparently didn't work the first time; how come it apparently worked the second time. That makes no sense!

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XVI: A New Melee. Day 10 ends June 6

Also, if your ability apparently didn't work the first time; how come it apparently worked the second time. That makes no sense!

Yes. Yes, it does make sense. Someone role blocked me the first time, second time they didn't. It's that simple.