Finished Werewolf XVII: Universe - Game Over - Antagonists Win!

[DNA]

RE: Werewolf XVII: Universe - Day 5 Ends August 27th, 7PM EST!

Uh, what?
The definition of a seer is they learn people's alignments, not their roles.

Glace is (or rather, was) a seer, in whole, not at all in part.
Your definition of a seer is wrong.

 

[Kecleon-X]

RE: Werewolf XVII: Universe - Day 5 Ends August 27th, 7PM EST!

Hm? I guess so, then. However, from my past knowledge gathered from past games, most Seers learn entire role PMs. I guess I was mistaken in my definition, however I still stand by what I said.

 

[Greninja]

RE: Werewolf XVII: Universe - Day 5 Ends August 27th, 7PM EST!

to all those suspecting that Optimus Prime was in-game, you were right
I am:

Character: Optimus Prime
Alignment: Protagonists

You are Optimus Prime, leader of the Autobots. Selfless and endlessly courageous, you are the complete opposite of your mortal enemy Megatron. Every casualty in the war with Megatron, human or Cybertronian, weighs heavily on your spark. However you do not show this side to your soldiers, and never succumb to despair.

Ability 1: Teletran-I’s Scanners
Once a game during the night after night 3 and if at least 8 votes were cast the previous day, you may PM the game host that you would like to use this ability. If you do, you will be told how many players on the last day’s lynch wagon were not aligned with the Protagonists.

Active Effect 1: Robots in Disguise
You will always be able to use your abilities regardless of any abilities you may be targeted with.

Win Condition:
At least one Protagonist-aligned player is alive when all threats have been eliminated.

Here is the information I received:

You have found that 1 wolf lurks among the following players:
DNA
Keeper of Night
PMJ
Hegafire0
Machamp the Champion

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XVII: Universe - Day 5 Ends August 27th, 7PM EST!

Not really narrowing it down, but we have suspects now. I think we can eliminate DNA from that list though, since he started the vote, course I could be wrong.
I can truthfully say that it's not me, though I don't think anyone will believe me just from me saying that.

 

[Flys Gone 2071]

RE: Werewolf XVII: Universe - Day 5 Ends August 27th, 7PM EST!

to all those suspecting that Optimus Prime was in-game, you were right
I am:

Here is the information I received:

You have found that 1 wolf lurks among the following players:
DNA
Keeper of Night
PMJ
Hegafire0
Machamp the Champion

I find this odd because here it says that you need there to be 8 players and you'll know how many Not townies while it says wolf later (meaning scum and game-hosts aren't supposed to say wolf but antagonists) and there are only 6 people on your list and there were 7 votes for Astra.

I believe you are totally lying and because of RG's ability it is the perfect cover up.

VOTE: Shocker

 

[Hegafire]

RE: Werewolf XVII: Universe - Day 5 Ends August 27th, 7PM EST!

There are only 5 on the list. I don't believe what he's saying.

VOTE: Shocker

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XVII: Universe - Day 5 Ends August 27th, 7PM EST!

to all those suspecting that Optimus Prime was in-game, you were right
I am:

Here is the information I received:

I find this odd because here it says that you need there to be 8 players and you'll know how many Not townies while it says wolf later (meaning scum and game-hosts aren't supposed to say wolf but antagonists) and there are only 6 people on your list and there were 7 votes for Astra.

I believe you are totally lying and because of RG's ability it is the perfect cover up.

VOTE: Shocker

I would just like to point out that there could have been 8 votes on Astra if MtC had +2.
But when you bring up the alignment part, you're right. That doesn't make sense.

I'm going to refrain from voting just yet, though I do agree with it

 

[Flys Gone 2071]

RE: Werewolf XVII: Universe - Day 5 Ends August 27th, 7PM EST!

I find this odd because here it says that you need there to be 8 players and you'll know how many Not townies while it says wolf later (meaning scum and game-hosts aren't supposed to say wolf but antagonists) and there are only 6 people on your list and there were 7 votes for Astra.

I believe you are totally lying and because of RG's ability it is the perfect cover up.

VOTE: Shocker

I would just like to point out that there could have been 8 votes on Astra if MtC had +2.
But when you bring up the alignment part, you're right. That doesn't make sense.

I'm going to refrain from voting just yet, though I do agree with it

The player needs to know if he can use it or not. The only way would be if the game host would PM him saying that MtC had double vote and if he told him, it would be a dis-advantage to everyone else (as the rest didn't know but he did).

 

[DNA]

RE: Werewolf XVII: Universe - Day 5 Ends August 27th, 7PM EST!

Or it could, you know, be based on how Porygon-X defines a "lynch wagon".
Admittedly, I did start it against Astra. And...you are right, that would effectively clear me as town. I would not try to kill 1 of my own wolf companions this early in the game, since Astra is so far the ONLY dead wolf.

Well, I could be an indie...but I'm definitely not a wolf. KoN knows how to logic.

And I should remark that yesterday there were double-voters. I think it was...what, 6 votes out of 4 people?

 

[MDL]

RE: Werewolf XVII: Universe - Day 5 Ends August 27th, 7PM EST!

to all those suspecting that Optimus Prime was in-game, you were right
I am:

Here is the information I received:

I find this odd because here it says that you need there to be 8 players and you'll know how many Not townies while it says wolf later (meaning scum and game-hosts aren't supposed to say wolf but antagonists) and there are only 6 people on your list and there were 7 votes for Astra.

I believe you are totally lying and because of RG's ability it is the perfect cover up.

VOTE: Shocker

It actually says there needs to be 8 votes cast, so even if on the most voted wagon there were only 3 players, but there were 8 votes overall, the ability would work. Atleast that's what I understood.

The fact that it says there is one wolf among those players instead of non townie or antagonist is suspicious tho. Porygon-X, if it was your fault you should say so otherwise he could end up dead because of you...

Keep in mind that I'm not trying to defend him or agree with Flygon, just giving my opinion. Optimus Prime is pretty much confirmed so the real one could just counter claim Shocker if it was false though. That's why I'm leaning toward him being town, boop.

 

[Hegafire]

RE: Werewolf XVII: Universe - Day 5 Ends August 27th, 7PM EST!

I'm the one with the increased vote weight.

 

[Flys Gone 2071]

RE: Werewolf XVII: Universe - Day 5 Ends August 27th, 7PM EST!

I find this odd because here it says that you need there to be 8 players and you'll know how many Not townies while it says wolf later (meaning scum and game-hosts aren't supposed to say wolf but antagonists) and there are only 6 people on your list and there were 7 votes for Astra.

I believe you are totally lying and because of RG's ability it is the perfect cover up.

VOTE: Shocker

It actually says there needs to be 8 votes cast, so even if on the most voted wagon there were only 3 players, but there were 8 votes overall, the ability would work. Atleast that's what I understood.

The fact that it says there is one wolf among those players instead of non townie or antagonist is suspicious tho. Porygon-X, if it was your fault you should say so otherwise he could end up dead because of you...

Keep in mind that I'm not trying to defend him or agree with Flygon, just giving my opinion. Optimus Prime is pretty much confirmed so the real one could just counter claim Shocker if it was false though. That's why I'm leaning toward him being town, boop.

The last vote count is found 1 page before he died with 6 votes and the only player that voted after that was MtC. Of course he could have double vote but my reasons of why he didn't are on my previous post.

 

[WanderingWolf]

RE: Werewolf XVII: Universe - Day 5 Ends August 27th, 7PM EST!

Anyone else notice this:

Flys Gone 2071

Votes me, Astra then Shocker

Hegafire

Votes me, Astra then Shocker.

And all at the same time... Within a few hours, they vote for the same people, three times. For both Unvoting and voting.

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Shockers Role seems too good to be true. Raichu died the night before last... If he wanted to claim, he would have then. To me, it seems like he needed time to make the role... Then again, I'm usually wrong.

 

[DNA]

RE: Werewolf XVII: Universe - Day 5 Ends August 27th, 7PM EST!

I noticed that too, actually. So either Flygon and Hegafire0 are both wolves, or they have 'twin' roles - i.e. they're both required to vote for the same person, and they may be tied in some way. I believe, at this point, the former is more likely, since yesterday I don't think Flygon voted for Astra.

VOTE: Hegafire0

I am choosing to take Shocker's claim at face value, since there's no reason for him to really lie at this point. I do not believe he is lying, because he waited this long to come out with information about wolves. He could have simply made something up earlier in the game, but why wait this long?

He has given us a list of 5 names: DNA, Keeper of Night, Hegafire0, Machamp the Champion, and PMJ, one of whom is a wolf. I can be ruled out since I started the Astra wagon. An idea is to go through this list, one by one, and see who the wolf is. Finding the one clears everyone on the list. Though it is a risky move, and has a heavy chance of backfire, it is a possible choice of action. And given Hegafire's actions, I feel...well, a bit uneasy. Flygon also gives me pause.

But since Flygon wasn't on Shocker's list...

 

[Flys Gone 2071]

RE: Werewolf XVII: Universe - Day 5 Ends August 27th, 7PM EST!

Anyone else notice this:

Flys Gone 2071

Votes me, Astra then Shocker

Hegafire

Votes me, Astra then Shocker.

And all at the same time... Within a few hours, they vote for the same people, three times. For both Unvoting and voting.

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Shockers Role seems too good to be true. Raichu died the night before last... If he wanted to claim, he would have then. To me, it seems like he needed time to make the role... Then again, I'm usually wrong.

I never voted for Astra. I said I founded him to be defensive but I still found you scummier.

 

[Hegafire]

RE: Werewolf XVII: Universe - Day 5 Ends August 27th, 7PM EST!

I don't know how to quote PM's, but I'm Master Cheif, from Halo I think. I have increased vote weight. Before day 6 I have a vote power of 3, and after that, a power of 2. I'm not too experienced in WW, so I try to help people get the lynches that seem wolfy to me. It's just my play style.

 

[Flys Gone 2071]

RE: Werewolf XVII: Universe - Day 5 Ends August 27th, 7PM EST!

The thing about Shocker is that it was impossible for him to use his ability because there wasn't 8 votes (unless MtC has double vote weight AND Shocker knew that he had double vote weight).

 

[MDL]

RE: Werewolf XVII: Universe - Day 5 Ends August 27th, 7PM EST!

It actually says there needs to be 8 votes cast, so even if on the most voted wagon there were only 3 players, but there were 8 votes overall, the ability would work. Atleast that's what I understood.

The fact that it says there is one wolf among those players instead of non townie or antagonist is suspicious tho. Porygon-X, if it was your fault you should say so otherwise he could end up dead because of you...

Keep in mind that I'm not trying to defend him or agree with Flygon, just giving my opinion. Optimus Prime is pretty much confirmed so the real one could just counter claim Shocker if it was false though. That's why I'm leaning toward him being town, boop.

The last vote count is found 1 page before he died with 6 votes and the only player that voted after that was MtC. Of course he could have double vote but my reasons of why he didn't are on my previous post.

I was saying that there didn't need to be 8 votes on the wagon, just on the overral game.

For example say there are 16 people playing. 4 of them voted for 1 person. other 2 voted for another person. and other 2 voted for another person. There 8 total votes cast so the ability works, and the most voted wagon was the first that I mentioned. So he gets to know if there is anyone from those 4 persons that isn't town. That my understanding of the ability atleast, boop.

 

[MDL]

RE: Werewolf XVII: Universe - Day 5 Ends August 27th, 7PM EST!

I actually think the wolf is MtC, and this is my theory:

The first two that voted for Astra are clear IMO. The reason that makes me believe that MtC is the one that is a wolf is mainly because:

1. He was the last one to vote for Astra.

2. He had voted for TheGuy first.

What this means is that he saw that his vote VS TheGuy (possibly a town if MtC flips wolf) wasn't going to go anywhere, so he voted for Astra, that was a most certain lynch to clear himself of suspicion. This, plus the fact that he was the last one to vote AND he changed the vote so close to the end of the day makes me believe he is the Wolf. Feel free to disagree, this is just a theory, boop.

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XVII: Universe - Day 5 Ends August 27th, 7PM EST!

I actually think the wolf is MtC, and this is my theory:

The first two that voted for Astra are clear IMO. The reason that makes me believe that MtC is the one that is a wolf is mainly because:

1. He was the last one to vote for Astra.

2. He had voted for TheGuy first.

What this means is that he saw that his vote VS TheGuy (possibly a town if MtC flips wolf) wasn't going to go anywhere, so he voted for Astra, that was a most certain lynch to clear himself of suspicion. This, plus the fact that he was the last one to vote AND he changed the vote so close to the end of the day makes me believe he is the Wolf. Feel free to disagree, this is just a theory, boop.

I did notice this, thinking maybe he voted Astra to seem less suspicious when it didn't even matter anymore.

Another thing I noticed;
After Astra made that "defensive" post, he never posted again (that I saw). What if something happened (either he couldn't be online for said time, or something with his role) that would have made it ok for the wolves to lynch him?
By DNA leading the lynch, he would seem clean. And it's working.

Just a thought. probably doesn't mean much, but whatever.

VOTE: Machamp the Champion