Finished Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Game Over! A winner is PMJ and RogueChomp

[WanderingWolf]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 3 ends Saturday, October 12 at 12pm MST

Also, I'll be looking at those who mentioned Vanilla Townie instead of Town Vanilla like I said it was when I questioned RogueChomp. I believe some of you gave yourelf away saying "Oh but astra said there were Vanilla townies not Town Vanilla". Look for my owl in the morning.

I'm now spending about half an hour to go through and check all the threads I have access to, the game thread and every PM about the game I have gotten. Oh, Astra, you silly person, STAHP saying that people are both TV and VT in this game, we all know that you're trying to confuse us.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 3 ends Saturday, October 12 at 12pm MST

camo cleared Red Rain as town when we were in the chat room. Red Rain claimed he was also vanilla, and camo told him to send a PM to him with his role minus flavor. A few minutes later, camo said that Red Rain was telling the truth.

We know that camoclone was legitimately vanilla town, so that means Red Rain is either vt, godfather, or cult. I'm inclined to believe he's godfather since why would he just offer up his role, totally unprovoked, and in the chat room of all places where almost no one is gonna see it?

In post 294 he suggested we don't lynch RogueChomp on the basis that if he's the cult leader, then we should lynch him on day 3 before the cult could get too powerful. This is bad since if RC really was cult leader he should be eliminated asap to stop them from winning.

In post 453 he admitted camoclone was confirmed town and he would rather follow camo's advice than someone who was not confirmed. However, three posts later in post 456 he cast a vote for camo, using the reasoning "for terrible posting habits and bad arguments". If Red Rain truly believed camoclone was town, then he has no reason to cast a vote for him at all, let alone three posts later.

I think both he and twistedturtwig are scum. One of those two should definitely be lynched today.

 

[WanderingWolf]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 3 ends Saturday, October 12 at 12pm MST

camo cleared Red Rain as town when we were in the chat room. Red Rain claimed he was also vanilla, and camo told him to send a PM to him with his role minus flavor. A few minutes later, camo said that Red Rain was telling the truth.

We know that camoclone was legitimately vanilla town, so that means Red Rain is either vt, godfather, or cult. I'm inclined to believe he's godfather since why would he just offer up his role, totally unprovoked, and in the chat room of all places where almost no one is gonna see it?

In post 294 he suggested we don't lynch RogueChomp on the basis that if he's the cult leader, then we should lynch him on day 3 before the cult could get too powerful. This is bad since if RC really was cult leader he should be eliminated asap to stop them from winning.

In post 453 he admitted camoclone was confirmed town and he would rather follow camo's advice than someone who was not confirmed. However, three posts later in post 456 he cast a vote for camo, using the reasoning "for terrible posting habits and bad arguments". If Red Rain truly believed camoclone was town, then he has no reason to cast a vote for him at all, let alone three posts later.

I think both he and twistedturtwig are scum. One of those two should definitely be lynched today.

(Can't be bothered deleting everything to just quote what I'm addressing)

Something tells me this is fake. Not once has Camo said that Red Rain was scum, and because of how aggressive Camo was, and how Red Rain was supposedly Vanilla Town, instead of Town Vanilla, why was Camo not SUSS about him?

 

[Eagle4]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 3 ends Saturday, October 12 at 12pm MST

Can confirm that camoclone "cleared" Red Rain in pokebeach chat. And of course, that tells us nothing, as Red Rain could've fakeclaimed. And why would he be Godfather and not any other mafia? Godfather appears as villager when inspected iirc but you can still fakeclaim if you're a mafia goon or whatever. Simply put, we can't gain much information from what went on.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 3 ends Saturday, October 12 at 12pm MST

Who cares if camo didn't say RR was scum (he said he was town, by the way, did you read my post at all)? I'm saying I think RR is scum. It has nothing to do with camo personally. The only reason I mentioned him at all is because RR claimed to him, totally unprovoked.

 

[WanderingWolf]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 3 ends Saturday, October 12 at 12pm MST

Who cares if camo didn't say RR was scum (he said he was town, by the way, did you read my post at all)? I'm saying I think RR is scum. It has nothing to do with camo personally. The only reason I mentioned him at all is because RR claimed to him, totally unprovoked.

No, I just randomly clicked 'Reply' and your post came up, so I threw a bunch or words together, and my post appeared through magic.

I don't think you got my post. I agree with you, but for a different reason. You are saying that Red Rain claimed 'Vanilla Town' instead of 'Town Vanilla'. Because Camo is extremely aggressive, by reading your post, I was shocked that after Camo was 'confirmed TV', he wasn't suspicious of Red being a different kind of TV.

I was also suspicious of Red Rain on Day 2 because of a lack of contribution,

##VOTE: REDRAIN

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Also, here is as many things I could find on the whole 'TV or VT thing':

TV instead of VT

Camoclone was supposedly TV at this point in time:

The following people have stated VT instead of TV:

PMJ:
camoclone long after he was confirmed VT

Camoclone:
Also he isn't a VT! He is either a wolf or a town PR. (Strange, since he was Town Vanilla)

Eagle4:
a VT(This was before Camo was classified TV)
Date: 9-22
VT
Date: 9-28

James86134:
Who knows? Maybe DNA would rather use his time saving someone else. There are other semi-confirmed town as well, and they aren't just VT
Date: 9-29
confirmed VT
Date: 9-29

Grantm1999:
VTs
Date: 9-22

Keeper Of Night:
VanillaTown
Date: 9-22

Sir Taco:
Grant, there are VTs.
Date: 9-22

Red Rain:
vt
Date: Before 9-28

Teal:
VT
Date: 9-27

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I'd say none of these people are TV (except Camo of course, lol). But annoyingly, Astra has apparently included VTs as well. So, I spent about 20 minutes of my life scrapping about 10 people off of a role... Of about maybe 20 different roles. Yay me![/b]

 

[Teal]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 3 ends Saturday, October 12 at 12pm MST

I'm not vanilla. I've already said that before in case you missed it. P:

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 3 ends Saturday, October 12 at 12pm MST

I will never say "town vanilla" to refer to vanilla townies. I prefer the latter method. Astra just said that "Town Vanilla" and "Vanilla Town" both exist in the game so using one or the other as a scum tell is useless.

 

[Teal]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 3 ends Saturday, October 12 at 12pm MST

Anyway PMJ's cases seem very legit to me, I'd probably get similar results if I investigated, at least it sounds like it. So:

VOTE: TwistedTurtwig

 

[Eagle4]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 3 ends Saturday, October 12 at 12pm MST

James86134, that post was fluff; a post designed to look like you're doing something worthwhile when you're actually not. Who cares if it's VT or TV, VT is what most people are accustomed to and so they're more likely to say it (myself included).

Also I'd like to say that I believe SoldierSpirit and Teal to be scum, I'll post my reasoning later (tomorrow, when I'm less tired).

 

[WanderingWolf]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 3 ends Saturday, October 12 at 12pm MST

James86134, that post was fluff; a post designed to look like you're doing something worthwhile when you're actually not. Who cares if it's VT or TV, VT is what most people are accustomed to and so they're more likely to say it (myself included).

Also I'd like to say that I believe SoldierSpirit and Teal to be scum, I'll post my reasoning later (tomorrow, when I'm less tired).

... Seriously? I made it before Astra said that VT AND TV are both in the game, so really, it wasn't fluff. I was actually just completing what SS said he would do.

'A post designed to look like you're doing something worthwhile when you're actually not.'
That's your opinion. At the time of making it, I thought it was worthwhile.

 

[Eagle4]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 3 ends Saturday, October 12 at 12pm MST

It's not worthwhile because it doesn't matter if people say VT or TV, even before Astra confirmed the existence of both.

 

[DNA]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 3 ends Saturday, October 12 at 12pm MST

okay why is James reading so hard into something where there's nothing to read into it about?

Just gonna say that I've used both "Vanilla Townie" and "Town Vanilla" in this game. There's also no universal format for the line that says you have no abilities. Some just say you have no abilities. Some say you have no abilities beyond your posts and vote.

Did this so that townies can't clear each other btw.

This post suggests that the terms are essentially interchangeable. That's all.

 

[TwistedTurtwig]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 3 ends Saturday, October 12 at 12pm MST

Oh look, I'm today's main lynch already. From what I can tell, the two biggest arguments against me are that I was on the SheNinja wagon, and the good old Gambler's Fallacy. I'm not saying that those prove me innocent either, but come on, I'd prefer there to be a bit more of a case on me to be seriously considered. If someone wants to ISO me, then please go ahead. Maybe that way I can help prove my innocence to you guys.

Alright, one thing I think that it's time to bring up is that I'm extremely suspicious of James. So far, he's been the only one I've had outside communications with (besides the two quicktopics), and he initiated our conversation. I forget exactly how it went, but he proposed a series of questions with the intent of learning whether or not I trusted him, then partially revealing my role. (I'll quote the exact questions in one of my next posts). He said he would do the same, and did, up until I told him that I was willing to communicate with him, but I still was very wary of his intents. He hasn't PM'ed me since. I think that he was trying to get someone on his side who he knows, and I was actually very inclined to believe him, but I can't shake the suspicion that he's scum.

Moreover, most of what he's contributed has just been arguing with camo, and while I wholeheartedly support that, I feel like he hasn't offered much information to help out the town. So I'm going to vote for him, and my vote's not likely to change today unless I have a serious change of mind. Plus, his vote for Red Rain is pretty much baseless, and looks like an attempt to borrow PMJ's own idea to help his case out, if you ask me.

##THUMP: James86134

 

[WanderingWolf]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 3 ends Saturday, October 12 at 12pm MST

him that I was willing to communicate with him, but I still was very wary of his intents. He hasn't PM'ed me since.

... Actually, I believe that I was the last to PM you. And since then, no affiliation between me and you has happened.

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Might I just say, why would I share a link to the 'Skilled Chat', which would have completely thrown me under the bus (yeah, Camo! get pissed of at me) if you has posted that I sent it to you if I didn't trust you.

I feel like he hasn't offered much information to help out the town.

Kindly post the information you have given to the town.

 

[TwistedTurtwig]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 3 ends Saturday, October 12 at 12pm MST

him that I was willing to communicate with him, but I still was very wary of his intents. He hasn't PM'ed me since.

... Actually, I believe that I was the last to PM you. And since then, no affiliation between me and you has happened.

The last PM you sent to me was to say that loved my humorous post about Area 56. I was the last to reply in our conversation with the questions.

Might I just say, why would I share a link to the 'Skilled Chat', which would have completely thrown me under the bus (yeah, Camo! get pissed of at me) if you has posted that I sent it to you if I didn't trust you.

Actually, you sending it to me could have easily been a means of gaining my trust, since you were so willing to share something with me. It actually makes more sense that way, because why would you just send me a link to that secret information out of the blue? For all you knew, I could have been scum, but you didn't even stop to consider that before sending it to me. Furthermore, you ended up drawing my attention towards camo, which you could have easily exploited.

I feel like he hasn't offered much information to help out the town.

Kindly post the information you have given to the town.

Look two posts up.

And I realize that I haven't had much information to offer, but at least I'm not trying to make it seem like I've been contributing a lot, while actually having not, like you've been doing.

 

[WanderingWolf]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 3 ends Saturday, October 12 at 12pm MST

For all you knew, I could have been scum, but you didn't even stop to consider that before sending it to me. Furthermore, you ended up drawing my attention towards camo, which you could have easily exploited.

... 'For all you know I could have been scum'. But I still sent it to you, meaning I trusted you.

'You could have easily exploited'. But I didn't. Again, I trusted you. You could have exploited me by posting 'James gave me this link, I think it is very scummy to do that.'

while actually having not, like you've been doing.

So, doing what was going to end up being looked into (SS stated he would look into it), and posting it... And doing this for the first time in about 6 games I've played with you, all the while, thinking it was worthwhile... Is scummy. Riiiiiight.

And your other reason for voting me is the lack of communication between you and I? I can't really combat that, so, yeah. We stop communicating.

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Because I'll probably end up being voted out today, because of how I went after a 'confo-powerhouse' and a 'confo-town':

I claimed. And only one person in the game other then me knows that I claimed.

 

[WanderingWolf]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 3 ends Saturday, October 12 at 12pm MST

I claimed. And only one person in the game other then me knows whatI claimed

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 3 ends Saturday, October 12 at 12pm MST

If someone wants to ISO me, then please go ahead.

I did. The following posts of yours have no bearing on the game at all:

131 (useless)
182, 183, 193, 211, 214 (this is just you posting like a sir)
250 (useless star wars reference)
272 (just admitting to role playing)
394 (useless)

Post 379 was you claiming camo's word was useless when he was confirmed vt.

Post 446 you jumped on camo's wagon right after three other people did, which was hugely scummy, never mind the fact that this was also after camo was confirmed vt and your vote never should have been put on him.

That was just day one. Day two you didn't fare much better; yeah, you jumped on SheNinja's wagon but that was the only relevant post you made (and it could be argued it was still fluff since you just reiterated everything everyone had said already. That's just part of my read on you, not my entire read.

 

[WanderingWolf]

RE: Werewolf XVIII: The Blank Game: Day 3 ends Saturday, October 12 at 12pm MST

Might I just say that even Astra has said that there is no such thing as confo-town in this game:

Especially because there's no such thing as confo-town in the game (cult + gameplay mechanic rule #3)