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RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 2 ends Jan 24 at 4 PM EST

Reinforce said:
SMP said:
You don't have to explain how you're town by revealing, that's the lazy way to do it. Find interactions between confirmed scum and others. WW is confirmed scum in this game. Who did he talk with, what were they saying, was there a slip up at any point that you may have missed?

While this makes sense, we must keep in mind too that scum usually plan out their posts (sometimes even replies to each other). It could be scripted, that is, just saying that we shouldn't rely on this 100%.

I'm still confused as to why Haunted Water is still tunneling Camoclone after yesterday. At this point, it's not looking like policy lynch anymore. But I'm a bit doubtful of Camoclone's role reveal. If that one-shot doctor ability of yours can only happen when you find this Adrian, why are you threatening him out and calling him scum? But then, if I was Adrian, I would be terrified and wary of revealing myself after you revealed that special ability because you effectively set up the two of you with a target painted on your backs for the wolves.

Sure, scum can plan posts, but that usually happens when they know they're going to get killed. I seriously doubt WW was expecting some sort of vig to kill him last night though.

If we're not going to use what interactions people have with each other why bother even having a day phase? Lets just all use our roles to find scum and call it a game.

The thing about this game is that sometimes you are going to lynch town. It's going to happen, no question about it. You can't be scared to lynch town though. Everything that happens in a Werewolf game can be used to find scum. If a town member is lynched we can see who voted for them, who started the vote, when did people join the wagon, why were people voting, etc. There's plenty of information out there for find scum, not all of it has to come from roles.
 
RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 2 ends Jan 24 at 4 PM EST

You've done nothing but POST POST POST.
This turns several of the players away from reading the entire thread. This means that the town has no idea what's going on.
The wolves don't care, as they already know who is town and who isn't, and the one of them reading the thread could even just give a recap.
The town doesn't have this option, does it? Cut down on the nonsense posts, and stop pointing fingers at everybody.

I want to pop in and tell camoclone i agree with this. It is VERY hard to keep up with the thread when you post over and over again. Especially for people who lurk and make 1 or 2 posts a week, it is very hard for them to read every single page.

Also I don't know if you've noticed but it doesn't just discourage people from reading the entire thread, but also from posting! If you look from the start of the day, there have been ~6 of the 28 members left in the game who have actively kept up and posted repeatedly. A couple of people have popped in for a post or two, but only a few have actually posted on a regular, active basis. If we want to make the best lynch, we need to hear from everybody, not just 6 people who can't even start a proper vote because they're at each others' throats.

Normally I don't like policy lynches, and if there is a point where it can't be avoided, I like to save them for a day where we don't know who else to lynch. (it just kind of passes the time without using a "no lynch." Not the best option, but it's better than none.) But if something doesn't change, I honestly don't see how we can avoid this one, even this early in the game. Is it too much to ask everybody for everybody to just take a backseat for a little bit so we can hear from the people who haven't said much on this day?
 
RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 2 ends Jan 24 at 4 PM EST

Reinforce said:
SMP said:
You don't have to explain how you're town by revealing, that's the lazy way to do it. Find interactions between confirmed scum and others. WW is confirmed scum in this game. Who did he talk with, what were they saying, was there a slip up at any point that you may have missed?

While this makes sense, we must keep in mind too that scum usually plan out their posts (sometimes even replies to each other). It could be scripted, that is, just saying that we shouldn't rely on this 100%.

I'm still confused as to why Haunted Water is still tunneling Camoclone after yesterday. At this point, it's not looking like policy lynch anymore. But I'm a bit doubtful of Camoclone's role reveal. If that one-shot doctor ability of yours can only happen when you find this Adrian, why are you threatening him out and calling him scum? But then, if I was Adrian, I would be terrified and wary of revealing myself after you revealed that special ability because you effectively set up the two of you with a target painted on your backs for the wolves.
I have a doctor ability now... I unlock the other abilities later.
One Approved said:
You've done nothing but POST POST POST.
This turns several of the players away from reading the entire thread. This means that the town has no idea what's going on.
The wolves don't care, as they already know who is town and who isn't, and the one of them reading the thread could even just give a recap.
The town doesn't have this option, does it? Cut down on the nonsense posts, and stop pointing fingers at everybody.

I want to pop in and tell camoclone i agree with this. It is VERY hard to keep up with the thread when you post over and over again. Especially for people who lurk and make 1 or 2 posts a week, it is very hard for them to read every single page.

Also I don't know if you've noticed but it doesn't just discourage people from reading the entire thread, but also from posting! If you look from the start of the day, there have been ~6 of the 28 members left in the game who have actively kept up and posted repeatedly. A couple of people have popped in for a post or two, but only a few have actually posted on a regular, active basis. If we want to make the best lynch, we need to hear from everybody, not just 6 people who can't even start a proper vote because they're at each others' throats.

Normally I don't like policy lynches, and if there is a point where it can't be avoided, I like to save them for a day where we don't know who else to lynch. (it just kind of passes the time without using a "no lynch." Not the best option, but it's better than none.) But if something doesn't change, I honestly don't see how we can avoid this one, even this early in the game. Is it too much to ask everybody for everybody to just take a backseat for a little bit so we can hear from the people who haven't said much on this day?
Posting isn't bad... They signed up to play werewolf so let them. A page a day isn't that unreasonable. Is that all you have? Care to contribute?

Also yes what you are asking is very unreasonable.
 
RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 2 ends Jan 24 at 4 PM EST

I'm never playing another game with Camoclone.
 
RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 2 ends Jan 24 at 4 PM EST

One Approved said:
You've done nothing but POST POST POST.
This turns several of the players away from reading the entire thread. This means that the town has no idea what's going on.
The wolves don't care, as they already know who is town and who isn't, and the one of them reading the thread could even just give a recap.
The town doesn't have this option, does it? Cut down on the nonsense posts, and stop pointing fingers at everybody.

I want to pop in and tell camoclone i agree with this. It is VERY hard to keep up with the thread when you post over and over again. Especially for people who lurk and make 1 or 2 posts a week, it is very hard for them to read every single page.

Also I don't know if you've noticed but it doesn't just discourage people from reading the entire thread, but also from posting! If you look from the start of the day, there have been ~6 of the 28 members left in the game who have actively kept up and posted repeatedly. A couple of people have popped in for a post or two, but only a few have actually posted on a regular, active basis. If we want to make the best lynch, we need to hear from everybody, not just 6 people who can't even start a proper vote because they're at each others' throats.

Normally I don't like policy lynches, and if there is a point where it can't be avoided, I like to save them for a day where we don't know who else to lynch. (it just kind of passes the time without using a "no lynch." Not the best option, but it's better than none.) But if something doesn't change, I honestly don't see how we can avoid this one, even this early in the game. Is it too much to ask everybody for everybody to just take a backseat for a little bit so we can hear from the people who haven't said much on this day?

The thing is, most of the inactive players have probably just given up at this point, and I don't think they'll start posting if there's only 10 or 20 less posts to read. And by not posting, we give up precious discussion (even if it is with Camo), which will encourage less people to post the next day, and we probably won't have a good idea on who to lynch. Overall, I think we're just gonna have to deal with this. At least If HW's lynched, they'll be less arguing going on, so at least we'll have that going for us.
 
RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 2 ends Jan 24 at 4 PM EST

I did contribute. I suggested policy lynching you, and gave the options of either doing it now, or doing it when we don't have anybody else to lynch. It's not my job to contribute until somebody else replies. As if there were anything else /to/ contribute, because nobody else is posting in this thread. A page a day isn't unreasonable when there's content, but instead it's pages of double and triple posts (which used to be against the rules, and still should be IMO) by you. I'll say again, please don't ask others to contribute when literally every_single_post by you on this page is 2 sentences or shorter. Your only post that has any semblance of competence is this one:

Actually HW is scum for so many more reasoning here are a few:
>Tunneling
>Awful logic
>Hypocritical
>AtE (major scumtell)
>Pushing too hard

HW probably wouldn't be tunneling you or pushing too hard if your posts were half as arrogance-filled as they were, or if they actually contained any kind of logic in them. TBH, it looks more like he's defending himself than he is tunneling you. Not to mention that you're Tunneling him and pushing just as hard for him, lol. Also don't play the "don't get angry because I disagree with you lol" card, at least 4 other game members have a problem with your posts and have publicly said so.

As for your other 3 points, the AtE is the only one that is "obvious". However you've said "this post is AtE" more times than the boy who cried wolf. It's incredible. His awful logic and hypocrisy have yet to be seen by me and many others. These things are not obvious, you need to give us a reason to believe them. Prove yourself instead of just saying "read back it's so obvious lol" because clearly, it's not. I'd love to reason more with you, but all I'm going to get is a 1-sentance "you're unreasonable" so I don't even see what the point is.

VOTE: CAMOCLONE

View this as you want: a policy lynch, or me actually thinking he might be scummy. It's a little bit of both. Either way, I think camo is the superior option.
 
RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 2 ends Jan 24 at 4 PM EST

One Approved said:
I did contribute. I suggested policy lynching you, and gave the options of either doing it now, or doing it when we don't have anybody else to lynch. It's not my job to contribute until somebody else replies. As if there were anything else /to/ contribute, because nobody else is posting in this thread. A page a day isn't unreasonable when there's content, but instead it's pages of double and triple posts (which used to be against the rules, and still should be IMO) by you. I'll say again, please don't ask others to contribute when literally every_single_post by you on this page is 2 sentences or shorter. Your only post that has any semblance of competence is this one:

Actually HW is scum for so many more reasoning here are a few:
>Tunneling
>Awful logic
>Hypocritical
>AtE (major scumtell)
>Pushing too hard

HW probably wouldn't be tunneling you or pushing too hard if your posts were half as arrogance-filled as they were, or if they actually contained any kind of logic in them. TBH, it looks more like he's defending himself than he is tunneling you. Not to mention that you're Tunneling him and pushing just as hard for him, lol. Also don't play the "don't get angry because I disagree with you lol" card, at least 4 other game members have a problem with your posts and have publicly said so.

As for your other 3 points, the AtE is the only one that is "obvious". However you've said "this post is AtE" more times than the boy who cried wolf. It's incredible. His awful logic and hypocrisy have yet to be seen by me and many others. These things are not obvious, you need to give us a reason to believe them. Prove yourself instead of just saying "read back it's so obvious lol" because clearly, it's not. I'd love to reason more with you, but all I'm going to get is a 1-sentance "you're unreasonable" so I don't even see what the point is.

VOTE: CAMOCLONE

View this as you want: a policy lynch, or me actually thinking he might be scummy. It's a little bit of both. Either way, I think camo is the superior option.
>Suggesting a policy lynch =/ contributing
>Obviously others find HW to be scummy or they would not be voting for him
>Please contribute (there is stuff to contribute to)
>Why does me being arrogant matter? I am town and I know I am. I am the only person I know is town.
>I've clearly outlined my cases
>Your policy lynch thing is so funny I don't even know
>You are just as bad as HW
>I'm not tunneling HW (look up what it means)
 
RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 2 ends Jan 24 at 4 PM EST

Double posting is now against the rules. Anyone who double posts will receive a warning, no exceptions. This probably wouldn't have had to happen if it wasn't for Camoclone, honestly. It's just gotten way too out of hand.
 
RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 2 ends Jan 24 at 4 PM EST

Suggesting a policy lynch is contributing more than spamming "AtE" over and over again is.

The thing is, most of the inactive players have probably just given up at this point, and I don't think they'll start posting if there's only 10 or 20 less posts to read. And by not posting, we give up precious discussion (even if it is with Camo), which will encourage less people to post the next day, and we probably won't have a good idea on who to lynch. Overall, I think we're just gonna have to deal with this. At least If HW's lynched, they'll be less arguing going on, so at least we'll have that going for us.

Well, if we lynch Camo, there will still be less arguing. I'd rather have HW alive because his posts to me at least have logic in them. I don't know if I agree with all of them, but I feel like his posts are a lot easier to go off of, they piss less people off, and he himself is a lot more easy to reason with. Arguing isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's nice to have somebody who provides an alternative viewpoint. It's less nice when the alternative viewpoint consists of "you are dead today." or "I've already said everything lol"
 
RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 2 ends Jan 24 at 4 PM EST

One Approved said:
Suggesting a policy lynch is contributing more than spamming "AtE" over and over again is.
It depends on the scenario.

The thing is, most of the inactive players have probably just given up at this point, and I don't think they'll start posting if there's only 10 or 20 less posts to read. And by not posting, we give up precious discussion (even if it is with Camo), which will encourage less people to post the next day, and we probably won't have a good idea on who to lynch. Overall, I think we're just gonna have to deal with this. At least If HW's lynched, they'll be less arguing going on, so at least we'll have that going for us.

Well, if we lynch Camo, there will still be less arguing.
Why is arguing bad? It is very very good. If you could explain to me why it's bad then I might change my playstyle.
I'd rather have HW alive because his posts to me at least have logic in them.
HW's post have logic? You have got to be kidding me.
I don't know if I agree with all of them, but I feel like his posts are a lot easier to go off of, they piss less people off, and he himself is a lot more easy to reason with. Arguing isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's nice to have somebody who provides an alternative viewpoint. It's less nice when the alternative viewpoint consists of "you are dead today." or "I've already said everything lol"
What? I don't get this.
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RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 2 ends Jan 24 at 4 PM EST

One Approved said:
Suggesting a policy lynch is contributing more than spamming "AtE" over and over again is.
It depends on the scenario.

The thing is, most of the inactive players have probably just given up at this point, and I don't think they'll start posting if there's only 10 or 20 less posts to read. And by not posting, we give up precious discussion (even if it is with Camo), which will encourage less people to post the next day, and we probably won't have a good idea on who to lynch. Overall, I think we're just gonna have to deal with this. At least If HW's lynched, they'll be less arguing going on, so at least we'll have that going for us.

Well, if we lynch Camo, there will still be less arguing.
Why is arguing bad? It is very very good. If you could explain to me why it's bad then I might change my playstyle.
I'd rather have HW alive because his posts to me at least have logic in them.
HW's post have logic? You have got to be kidding me.
I don't know if I agree with all of them, but I feel like his posts are a lot easier to go off of, they piss less people off, and he himself is a lot more easy to reason with. Arguing isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's nice to have somebody who provides an alternative viewpoint. It's less nice when the alternative viewpoint consists of "you are dead today." or "I've already said everything lol"
What? I don't get this.
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RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 2 ends Jan 24 at 4 PM EST

alex said:
YES! AND THERE GOES CAMOCLONE!!
I don't see a problem... Something happened and my post was posted twice. If you look it's the exact same post.
 
RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 2 ends Jan 24 at 4 PM EST

It depends on the scenario.

No, it really doesn't. We know what an AtE is, and we know how to spot one. You don't have to camp on a member and post "AtE" every single time he posts one. Once or Twice? Sure. Every time? That's just a little too much.

Why is arguing bad? It is very very good. If you could explain to me why it's bad then I might change my playstyle.

I agree. It provides an alternative viewpoint which I attempted to discuss later in my post, although apparently I wasn't clear.

HW's post have logic? You have got to be kidding me.

While I will agree that he does not make the /best/ posts, and that some of his posts are just dumb (see: "Don't u dare lecture me camo, aaaaaand I'm ignoring you, etc.), SOME of his posts do. And when he's not too busy being mad at other members, he actually tries:
HauntedWater said:
D1, Camo started going after everyone that posted. Scum thrives on chaos. So, I vote parked him after I got fed up with him and his ways. He comes on, and it's like, don't even bother reading, because he's spamming the thread, accusing people, not listing sufficient reasons, or is going after any intelligent reason. He's called me and alex out as scum, only because we both started telling him to post reasons.

oh, fun fact. This post by HW was completely ignored. Camo never made a case for himself other than "stop tunneling me." These points are pretty legit if you actually go back in the thread and read.

Anyways, HW takes something and backs it up with things that actually happened. When we ask you to do the same, all you say is "I've already laid my arguments out" or "I thought that was highlighted already." Which brings me to:
What? I don't get this.

HW is trying. You aren't. Arguing isn't bad (like we both said.) It causes discussion, and having somebody disagree with you and post about it means that they're bringing a point of view into the thread that might not have otherwise be considered. You don't argue, you just post one line and ask us to assume you're right. When we ask to defend your point of a view, you just say "I've already said everything lrn2reed." Haunted Water when talking to somebody that isn't you, however, actually tries. I can't say I've seen the same from you. HW causes discussion. While he might be tunneling (I looked it up, I know what it means lol!), he's actually trying to get somewhere and actually causing discussion. Even if the discussion is just us disproving his theories, we're at least talking it out.

Also thank you TT for making double posts against the rules. ^.^

If you want me to contribute something else, in the mess of HW and Camo, we've completely stopped all discussion of grantm1999 or whatever he username is. Somebody suspected him at somepoint (looking for the exact post now) and he also brought some good logical posts to light around the beginning of the day. Also, while I might dagree with/suspect camo at this point in time, the one thing he isn't doing is tunneling. He's suggested lynching LuckyFire tomorrow. I haven't seen anything that's made LF lynch-worthy, but again, I'm looking back for that now.

Water Pokémon Master said:
 
RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 2 ends Jan 24 at 4 PM EST

One Approved said:
It depends on the scenario.

No, it really doesn't. We know what an AtE is, and we know how to spot one. You don't have to camp on a member and post "AtE" every single time he posts one. Once or Twice? Sure. Every time? That's just a little too much.
Some of us don't know what AtE (HW) and others don't see it clearly. It doesn't hurt to point it out.
Why is arguing bad? It is very very good. If you could explain to me why it's bad then I might change my playstyle.

I agree. It provides an alternative viewpoint which I attempted to discuss later in my post, although apparently I wasn't clear.
Okkkkkk? Well I argue all the time so...
HW's post have logic? You have got to be kidding me.

While I will agree that he does not make the /best/ posts, and that some of his posts are just dumb (see: "Don't u dare lecture me camo, aaaaaand I'm ignoring you, etc.), SOME of his posts do. And when he's not too busy being mad at other members, he actually tries:
I try and succeed though.
HauntedWater said:
D1, Camo started going after everyone that posted. Scum thrives on chaos. So, I vote parked him after I got fed up with him and his ways. He comes on, and it's like, don't even bother reading, because he's spamming the thread, accusing people, not listing sufficient reasons, or is going after any intelligent reason. He's called me and alex out as scum, only because we both started telling him to post reasons.

oh, fun fact. This post by HW was completely ignored. Camo never made a case for himself other than "stop tunneling me." These points are pretty legit if you actually go back in the thread and read.

Anyways, HW takes something and backs it up with things that actually happened. When we ask you to do the same, all you say is "I've already laid my arguments out" or "I thought that was highlighted already." Which brings me to:
What? I don't get this.

HW is trying. You aren't.
Why do you say that?
Arguing isn't bad (like we both said.) It causes discussion, and having somebody disagree with you and post about it means that they're bringing a point of view into the thread that might not have otherwise be considered. You don't argue, you just post one line and ask us to assume you're right.
I strongly disagree.
When we ask to defend your point of a view, you just say "I've already said everything lrn2reed.
You should be reading.
" Haunted Water when talking to somebody that isn't you, however, actually tries.
He is tunneling though. If you read back you will see that 0 of HW's posts have been about anyone else being scum.
I can't say I've seen the same from you. HW causes discussion.
Are you saying I don't. Also who cares if scum causes discussion he is still scum and needs to be lynched.
While he might be tunneling (I looked it up, I know what it means lol!), he's actually trying to get somewhere and actually causing discussion.
No he is not... Even if the discussion is just us disproving his theories, we're at least talking it out.
And?
Also thank you TT for making double posts against the rules. ^.^

If you want me to contribute something else, in the mess of HW and Camo, we've completely stopped all discussion of grantm1999 or whatever he username is. Somebody suspected him at somepoint (looking for the exact post now) and he also brought some good logical posts to light around the beginning of the day. Also, while I might dagree with/suspect camo at this point in time, the one thing he isn't doing is tunneling. He's suggested lynching LuckyFire tomorrow.
Lord Fletchling if you read. I haven't seen anything that's made LF lynch-worthy, but again, I'm looking back for that now.

Water Pokémon Master said:
 
RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 2 ends Jan 24 at 4 PM EST

I believe he said "We're lynching Luckyfire tomorrow", when she simply made a Luckyfire type of post where she just said "I'll follow the group."

Camo isn't just not tunneling, Camo is saying random people are scum for random and/or really bad reasons.
 
RE: Werewolf XX: Seleno City - Day 2 ends Jan 24 at 4 PM EST

Lord Fletchling if you read

Sorry. The post I read just said "LF." Fletchling changed his username to Scorched Feathers, so I jumped the gun and assumed LuckyFire since it fits the abbreviation.

You don't argue, you just post one line and ask us to assume you're right.
[/b]I strongly disagree.[/b]
...
Also who cares if scum causes discussion he is still scum and needs to be lynched.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. e.e
 
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