Finished Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Members win!

[Cobalt Phoenix]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

I have a question about Keeper of Night's Passive Effect. If we read his effect literally, it says he will be alerted WHEN somebody targets him, but shouldn't reveal WHO. My question, why does KoN know WHO targeted him (or at least claims to know who)? If this has been brought up before, then I apologize.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

I have a question about Keeper of Night's Passive Effect. If we read his effect literally, it says he will be alerted WHEN somebody targets him, but shouldn't reveal WHO. My question, why does KoN know WHO targeted him (or at least claims to know who)? If this has been brought up before, then I apologize.

He doesn't read either... Ok then. I wonder if he is pretending to actually help now.

 

[alex]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

I have a question about Keeper of Night's Passive Effect. If we read his effect literally, it says he will be alerted WHEN somebody targets him, but shouldn't reveal WHO. My question, why does KoN know WHO targeted him (or at least claims to know who)? If this has been brought up before, then I apologize.

He doesn't read either... Ok then. I wonder if he is pretending to actually help now.

I see nothing wrong with what he said. I now have the same question.

 

[Teal]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

He doesn't read either... Ok then. I wonder if he is pretending to actually help now.

I see nothing wrong with what he said. I now have the same question.

Camo's point is that it has been asked before.

I'm curious too. KoN please answer.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

He doesn't read either... Ok then. I wonder if he is pretending to actually help now.

I see nothing wrong with what he said. I now have the same question.

The problem is we already went over this...

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

I see nothing wrong with what he said. I now have the same question.

Camo's point is that it has been asked before.

I'm curious too. KoN please answer.

He has answered before you ninja .

 

[Cobalt Phoenix]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

Dude, the reason I don't post is, like you said, because I have a tendency to be incorrect or to glaze over a whole bunch of posts and say something redundant. There's really not much evidence around, outside of Drohn's accusation of KoN being Porygon, my really badly timed role-reveal, and a whole bunch of arguing from Camoclone the Aggressor. If there was more evidence against others, then I'd be very happy to come up with an opinion. But as it stands, there's not much to go off of. If you guys think lynching someone because inactivity and lack of truly concrete evidence, then go ahead. I will continue to lurk until there's more to talk about.

 

[alex]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

Dude, the reason I don't post is, like you said, because I have a tendency to be incorrect or to glaze over a whole bunch of posts and say something redundant. There's really not much evidence around, outside of Drohn's accusation of KoN being Porygon, my really badly timed role-reveal, and a whole bunch of arguing from Camoclone the Aggressor. If there was more evidence against others, then I'd be very happy to come up with an opinion. But as it stands, there's not much to go off of. If you guys think lynching someone because inactivity and lack of truly concrete evidence, then go ahead. I will continue to lurk until there's more to talk about.

*like*

 

[Teal]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

Dude, the reason I don't post is, like you said, because I have a tendency to be incorrect or to glaze over a whole bunch of posts and say something redundant. There's really not much evidence around, outside of Drohn's accusation of KoN being Porygon, my really badly timed role-reveal, and a whole bunch of arguing from Camoclone the Aggressor. If there was more evidence against others, then I'd be very happy to come up with an opinion. But as it stands, there's not much to go off of. If you guys think lynching someone because inactivity and lack of truly concrete evidence, then go ahead. I will continue to lurk until there's more to talk about.

You don't understand that "evidence" is not handed to you on a silver tablet. Answer me: How is "evidence" born? How is the "evidence" you are looking for born?

@Camo: I'm not satisfied with the "answer".

 

[Cobalt Phoenix]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

Yes, I am aware that questioning is the key to collecting evidence. I'm just having difficulties determining what needs to be asked without looking like a total friggin' moron. I'm taking notes while reading the thread over and over, but it's really not helping.

 

[WanderingWolf]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

SMP, I see you lurking.

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

Teal, the answer isn't going to change.
My effect says "alerted when," and that's it. However, at the end of the last night phase, I did get a PM with the same name as my effect. I was "alerted" that two members visited me, and I was given their names. Maybe it was worded incorrectly? I doubt it, but I'll ask PMJ anyway.

Now, here's more food for thought:
What if there were, say, power-enhancing players in the game? I reach this conclusion for two reasons:
1) Obviously we have seers, but with safe-claims, wouldn't that make seers kind of like a VT? And if all seers saw through safe-claims, then that makes safe-claims a little useless. With said "power-enhancers", a normal seer may be able to look past safe-claims.
2) My effect did more than what it (supposedly) does (but I don know, I only received one PM about it). If there was a Porygon-aligned role that did something similar, and they believed Drohn was telling the truth, maybe they targeted me and, as such, my ability not only activated but did more than expected? I received no PM saying anything of the sort, but it may not be announced when used.

Actually... This makes more sense when I think that I was targeted by two players last night. If one was a seer and disagree with my claims, I bet they would have spoken by now. So unless there are two role-blockers, one could have been Porygon-aligned.

Again, no facts, just speculation.

 

[Cobalt Phoenix]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

Could it be possible that scum or indies gave KoN a power up to attach more suspicion to him? inb4 Camo calls me an idiot for trying to inject some insane logic...

 

[WanderingWolf]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

Could it be possible that scum or indies gave KoN a power up to attach more suspicion to him? inb4 Camo calls me an idiot for trying to inject some insane logic...

You're an idiot for trying to inject insane logic.

 

[WanderingWolf]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

Also, I feel that Cobalt and Keeper are trying to now distract at them both being under suspicion.

Hence,
##UNWHATEVER: Cinesra
##WHATEVER: Cobalt Phoenix

 

[Kecleon-X]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

He doesn't read either... Ok then. I wonder if he is pretending to actually help now.

I see nothing wrong with what he said. I now have the same question.

My thoughts exactly. And with Keeper's role being rather peculiarly worded, I question its validity. Do we know if safe claims are the actual roles given to wolves/dangerous Indies, or just the names that would be a safety claim, leaving the player to come up with a role themselves? If they are the latter, then I would immediately jump to Keeper being a wolf/dangerous indie, however if the former, then I would assume that Keeper came up with, and wrote his role by himself, leading to its vagueness. Of course, if the former, then I will retract my previous statement.

You don't understand that "evidence" is not handed to you on a silver tablet. Answer me: How is "evidence" born? How is the "evidence" you are looking for born?

Well, when a mommy Evidence and a daddy Evidence love each other very much...

But either way, this is clearly entrapment. If he doesn't see anything to break an opinion off, then I feel as though I believe him on that statement. However, this does not take away from the fact that all his posts have been rather... Lacking. However, I do agree that, should he flip town upon lynching him, he wouldn't be too much of a loss, considering his role. Though dead-weight is a bit of a harsh thing to say, it doesn't take away from the fact that the only way we would be able to use such a role is in the extreme late-game where the last wolf tries to kill him, thus outing him as confirmed town.

But that's just it. It isn't late game, and whereas we could use such a role in the last legs of the game, this is quite the reciprocal. If this role is a farce, then he's a wolf/dangerous indie, and we can't take a chance on leaving that around until the late game when such a role would be useful.

With this logic, I will go ahead and:

##Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious: Cobalt Pheonix

 

[sillykyle]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

Anyone else got any opinions on sillykyle?

I'm pretty sure he's a wolf actually... Look at this:

Let's move on to actual conversation. Now that I've thought about it, sillykyle honestly does seem fairly scumlike. He usely has good posts.

This may not look like much to the untrained eye, but look closer...

He usely has good posts.

As you can see, he misspelled the word usually. Now, as you know, Camoclone usually capitalizes sillykyle, even though he's been corrected a thousand times over. This can be seen here:

I agree Sillykyle is acting weird...

What does this mean you ask? Well, sillykyle usually joins any game titled werewolf, including this one. Coincidence that the word "wolf" is in there? I think not.

UNPOKE: Keeper of Night
CONCLUDE: sillykyle

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

##IGNITE: Cobalt Phoenix.

I know that I need to be more active guys, but this isn't just a bandwagon. I pointed out his mistake with an earlier pot which seemed like he was practically claiming scum, and Camo makes a very convincing argument >_>

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

After Camo's RVS, Cobalt seems very wolf/indie like. Probably Indie actually, since a wolf would've given him advice on who to vote for by now. I would rather lynch Keeper, but I'm perfectly fine with lynching Cobalt.

sillykyle definitely isn't acting as he normally does. He definitely doesn't act like this as a wolf, or town for that matter. I'm a little confused, and don't think it's a very town-like thing to do, but I think we have better suspects at this point in time.

On the point of someone giving a power up to Keeper of Night, a power boost could've made his Serial Kill go through someone role blocking. There's also a chance he has a Strongman power, or some one time use power that prevents him from getting role blocked. The point is, there's too many thing that could've happened that would've allowed his Serial Kill to go through, so I think it's still worth lynching him (not to mention his other scummy behavior). Again, totally fine with Cobalt dying today, but I'd slightly prefer Keeper.

##KEEP: Keeper of Night

 

[WanderingWolf]

RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.

worth lynching him (not to mention his other scummy behavior).

I can understand the rest of your post, but what scummy behaviour has Keeper shown? His role claim is a bit strange, but past that, I don't see too much that suggest him as wolf.

Also, can we forget the 'super-abilities'. The fact that you guys don't trust Keeper, but are willing to put his random speculation into play, distracting from the real information we have is frustrating. Not to mention that we're getting distracted from the real information we have.

I'd like the following players to post soon, if possible:
SMP
Jeremy1206
Scorched Feathers
Cinesra (Not too much hope)
Haunted Water (" ")
Porygon-X

Mainly Scorched and Porygon. Those two were posting a lot in the first day, then just disappeared today.