Finished Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Members win!
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RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.
Wait, he was defending me? But either way, you're not insane -- you've just witnessed Camoclomania. I'm not by any means defending him... But I just think he's being as he normally is. I mean, the possibility is there, I just don't believe he is one at the moment. Again, my opinion is subject to change, but that's just my opinion at the moment. He was almost (if not) policy lynched in one of the last games because of such behavior. Turned out he was also a Seer Mason.
Just asking a question, but has Camoclone claimed the Reporter? Everyone's talking like he has, so I had assumed he had, without evidence to support such a claim.
Cobalt Phoenix said:
Wait, he was defending me? But either way, you're not insane -- you've just witnessed Camoclomania. I'm not by any means defending him... But I just think he's being as he normally is. I mean, the possibility is there, I just don't believe he is one at the moment. Again, my opinion is subject to change, but that's just my opinion at the moment. He was almost (if not) policy lynched in one of the last games because of such behavior. Turned out he was also a Seer Mason.
Just asking a question, but has Camoclone claimed the Reporter? Everyone's talking like he has, so I had assumed he had, without evidence to support such a claim.
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.
Can I pretty please like this post? It literally has nothing to do with the game, so nothing changes...
sillykyle said:alex said:I capitalized it because I used it to start a sentence
I've already said why, though.
You remind me of a certain member whose name ends with "clone" and begins with "camo".
Can I pretty please like this post? It literally has nothing to do with the game, so nothing changes...
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.
Considering how it's been brought up about 5 times in the last day, and he's been asked questions on it: yes, he has claimed reporter. As well as a one-shot seer.
Considering how it's been brought up about 5 times in the last day, and he's been asked questions on it: yes, he has claimed reporter. As well as a one-shot seer.
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.
Here's a link to Camo's RVS (which I've linked to because it has all his posts in one place).
He has done a lot of AtE stuff ("Machamp, are you even looking at the facts?" "I'm not overreacting. I'm telling you what should happen after I am lynched and flip town." Also this:
As well as a lot of little things, such as his first post looks very much like a scums first post (stating the obvious, but also not leaving himself obligated to one mindset or the other), his second post makes it seem like he already knew safe claims were in the game, and to top it off, a wee little bit of bandwagoning. That RVS doesn't include his newer posts, but I don't recall him saying scummy things in those posts/I'm too lazy and tired to look back.
I mean, I am pretty content with them, because I find them both scummy (not to mention there's no way we're going to get a bigger bandwagon going than the ones on Keeper and Cobalt at this point in the day). If something pops up that makes my scum-sense tingle, I'll mention it, and if it's scummy enough, I'll change my vote/look into that player more. I have definitely talked about other players a few times (TheGuy, Athena, Jeremy and Camoclone later on in this post, probably a few others as well). I don't know what you mean by "questioning" that isn't simply acknowledging evidence supporting both sides. At no point has the evidence supporting Keepers innocence outweighed the evidence supporting his crimes in my mind, so I don't question anything about it, beside acknowledging all the evidence and stating the validity of it, which I have. The case against Cobalt I have questioned a lot in the past (although I may not have said so in the thread); I was pretty unsure that he was a wolf until more recently, so I'm not entirely sure what your issue is with my posts.
Also, I'd just like to add that it wasn't totally obvious that your post was directed at Kecleon, so I understand why Camo didn't realize it.
This seems like a very wolfy post to me. Camo hasn't done an abnormal amount of flip-flopping this game (or maybe I've just gotten too used to it and barely notice it anymore
), and I don't really see how you think "Anyone who isn't doing things 100% the way that he wants or expects is without any shadow of doubt in his mind scum". I mean, I see it a little bit, but not to the point where he's pointing fingers at everyone who disagrees with him. Jeremy's opinion of Camo wouldn't be affected by Camo's play styles in previous games, so I find it odd that he's acting this strongly towards Camo just based off of his posts in this game. My point being this post may have been spoon fed to him by another scum member, possibly Keeper, since he's very obviously trying to defend him in this post. This could also very easily be OMGUS (oh my god you suck), trying to turn the tables on Camo instead of himself.
Speaking of Camo's play style, it does actually seem sort of wolf like, but for totally opposite reasons than what Jeremy said, or possibly what anyone else said (can't be bothered to look back or remember what others have said about Camo). Camo seems a bit more reserved in this game, more than he usually is; he's not immediately saying everyone's a wolf for the smallest little things, which makes me think he's trying not to be in the spotlight and get killed in the first 3 days, like he normally does with his chaotic posting style in previous games. Why he's not trying to get in the spotlight is because he could be a wolf, and being lynched as a wolf is very bad for your team, much worse than being lynched as a townie. I also haven't seen too many people crying out that Camo's been really chaotic and needs to be lynched as soon as possible because he's causing trouble, and all the usual anti-Camoclone arguments. This is something wolves very often do in games where Camo is town, because it's an easy way to lynch someone day 1, cause more chaos by trying to argue with Camo, and get Camo lynched because he is actually pretty helpful to the town in my opinion (most of the time), and the reason the wolves aren't doing it is because Camo is one of them. I'm not saying Camo isn't being aggressive towards a lot of players, he's just being a little bit more reserved than he usually is, and since it's such a little change, he may be trying to replicate his town play style as closely as possible without it having the usual consequences.
The more I think about it, the more I think Camo could very well be a wolf. I think we may want to lynch him soon (maybe after Keeper and Cobalt), and if he flips town, I think we should lynch Jeremy next, and vice versa if we lynch Jeremy first.
WanderingWolf said:
Here's a link to Camo's RVS (which I've linked to because it has all his posts in one place).
He has done a lot of AtE stuff ("Machamp, are you even looking at the facts?" "I'm not overreacting. I'm telling you what should happen after I am lynched and flip town." Also this:
Keeper of Night said:
As well as a lot of little things, such as his first post looks very much like a scums first post (stating the obvious, but also not leaving himself obligated to one mindset or the other), his second post makes it seem like he already knew safe claims were in the game, and to top it off, a wee little bit of bandwagoning. That RVS doesn't include his newer posts, but I don't recall him saying scummy things in those posts/I'm too lazy and tired to look back.
Teal said:
I mean, I am pretty content with them, because I find them both scummy (not to mention there's no way we're going to get a bigger bandwagon going than the ones on Keeper and Cobalt at this point in the day). If something pops up that makes my scum-sense tingle, I'll mention it, and if it's scummy enough, I'll change my vote/look into that player more. I have definitely talked about other players a few times (TheGuy, Athena, Jeremy and Camoclone later on in this post, probably a few others as well). I don't know what you mean by "questioning" that isn't simply acknowledging evidence supporting both sides. At no point has the evidence supporting Keepers innocence outweighed the evidence supporting his crimes in my mind, so I don't question anything about it, beside acknowledging all the evidence and stating the validity of it, which I have. The case against Cobalt I have questioned a lot in the past (although I may not have said so in the thread); I was pretty unsure that he was a wolf until more recently, so I'm not entirely sure what your issue is with my posts.
Also, I'd just like to add that it wasn't totally obvious that your post was directed at Kecleon, so I understand why Camo didn't realize it.
Jeremy1026 said:
This seems like a very wolfy post to me. Camo hasn't done an abnormal amount of flip-flopping this game (or maybe I've just gotten too used to it and barely notice it anymore
), and I don't really see how you think "Anyone who isn't doing things 100% the way that he wants or expects is without any shadow of doubt in his mind scum". I mean, I see it a little bit, but not to the point where he's pointing fingers at everyone who disagrees with him. Jeremy's opinion of Camo wouldn't be affected by Camo's play styles in previous games, so I find it odd that he's acting this strongly towards Camo just based off of his posts in this game. My point being this post may have been spoon fed to him by another scum member, possibly Keeper, since he's very obviously trying to defend him in this post. This could also very easily be OMGUS (oh my god you suck), trying to turn the tables on Camo instead of himself.Speaking of Camo's play style, it does actually seem sort of wolf like, but for totally opposite reasons than what Jeremy said, or possibly what anyone else said (can't be bothered to look back or remember what others have said about Camo). Camo seems a bit more reserved in this game, more than he usually is; he's not immediately saying everyone's a wolf for the smallest little things, which makes me think he's trying not to be in the spotlight and get killed in the first 3 days, like he normally does with his chaotic posting style in previous games. Why he's not trying to get in the spotlight is because he could be a wolf, and being lynched as a wolf is very bad for your team, much worse than being lynched as a townie. I also haven't seen too many people crying out that Camo's been really chaotic and needs to be lynched as soon as possible because he's causing trouble, and all the usual anti-Camoclone arguments. This is something wolves very often do in games where Camo is town, because it's an easy way to lynch someone day 1, cause more chaos by trying to argue with Camo, and get Camo lynched because he is actually pretty helpful to the town in my opinion (most of the time), and the reason the wolves aren't doing it is because Camo is one of them. I'm not saying Camo isn't being aggressive towards a lot of players, he's just being a little bit more reserved than he usually is, and since it's such a little change, he may be trying to replicate his town play style as closely as possible without it having the usual consequences.
The more I think about it, the more I think Camo could very well be a wolf. I think we may want to lynch him soon (maybe after Keeper and Cobalt), and if he flips town, I think we should lynch Jeremy next, and vice versa if we lynch Jeremy first.
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.
Machamp, my second post was asking if safe-claims were in the game. I don't see how it looks like I knew about them.
Machamp, my second post was asking if safe-claims were in the game. I don't see how it looks like I knew about them.
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.
I know I didn't post here at all yesterday, so I may as well post what I'm thinking, even if there's no real vote or suspicion in it.
KoN was blocked, and a line that is almost positively the SK is shown performing an action not blocked. There are lots of complicated explanations for how KoN could still be the SK despite this, but the simplest answer is simply that an indie lied in thread (*gasp*shock*horror*) and KoN is not the SK. The biggest evidence against him right now is his iffy roleclaim, but it seems to have results, so like others, I'm willing to let it slide for right now.
The push on CP is... interesting. I can't help but wonder why he - a player who has admittedly not played in a long time and could be considered something of a newbie - was the one targeted for a lurker push whereas others who are not participating at much are being let slide. I do think lurkers are generally unfriendly for town, and I'm not against voting and pressuring them if there's no other leads, but it would make more sense (to me and my usual playstyle, at least) to target regulars who are lurking, since this behaviour would be more suspicious in them, and you're more likely to get a rise if baited. To me, CP reads as something of a clueless newbie, trying to help, somewhat harmless. I don't get an affiliation read off of him either way. In general, I think early voting (or lurking voting) for newbies is a bad practice, because they can't learn how to participate and fit in properly if they're killed off before they even get a chance.
As a result, I don't particularly care for either of these votes. The points against both read as affiliation-neutral to me. That said, I would still rather one of them be lynched than no one be lynched. Being able to look over voting records after they flip would at least be of a better use than continuing this conversation again on D3.
As far as general other leads go, I think there's a pretty good chance the actual SK is voting for CP now. He wouldn't want KoN to be offed so early so that there's still some suspicion on him and less people casting around for the SK in addition to the scum. I don't have any better lurker leads myself, since I don't know who's new and who's a regular, nor do I know people's general playstyles.
I know I didn't post here at all yesterday, so I may as well post what I'm thinking, even if there's no real vote or suspicion in it.
KoN was blocked, and a line that is almost positively the SK is shown performing an action not blocked. There are lots of complicated explanations for how KoN could still be the SK despite this, but the simplest answer is simply that an indie lied in thread (*gasp*shock*horror*) and KoN is not the SK. The biggest evidence against him right now is his iffy roleclaim, but it seems to have results, so like others, I'm willing to let it slide for right now.
The push on CP is... interesting. I can't help but wonder why he - a player who has admittedly not played in a long time and could be considered something of a newbie - was the one targeted for a lurker push whereas others who are not participating at much are being let slide. I do think lurkers are generally unfriendly for town, and I'm not against voting and pressuring them if there's no other leads, but it would make more sense (to me and my usual playstyle, at least) to target regulars who are lurking, since this behaviour would be more suspicious in them, and you're more likely to get a rise if baited. To me, CP reads as something of a clueless newbie, trying to help, somewhat harmless. I don't get an affiliation read off of him either way. In general, I think early voting (or lurking voting) for newbies is a bad practice, because they can't learn how to participate and fit in properly if they're killed off before they even get a chance.
As a result, I don't particularly care for either of these votes. The points against both read as affiliation-neutral to me. That said, I would still rather one of them be lynched than no one be lynched. Being able to look over voting records after they flip would at least be of a better use than continuing this conversation again on D3.
As far as general other leads go, I think there's a pretty good chance the actual SK is voting for CP now. He wouldn't want KoN to be offed so early so that there's still some suspicion on him and less people casting around for the SK in addition to the scum. I don't have any better lurker leads myself, since I don't know who's new and who's a regular, nor do I know people's general playstyles.
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.
Yes, but you may have been reminded of the existence of safe claims when you saw your own safe claim, which is the reason you mentioned safe claims when it wasn't all that obvious PMJ was talking about safe claims. I don't think I'm wording what I'm trying to get across quite right, but it's simple psychology. I'm sure it would make sense to everyone if I worded it correctly.
Also I forgot to mention this in my super ultra mega giant post I just made, but if it looks like Keeper and Cobalt are going to tie, I'll switch my vote over to Cobalt so we can get a lynch today.
also im going to bed now nite
Keeper of Night said:
Yes, but you may have been reminded of the existence of safe claims when you saw your own safe claim, which is the reason you mentioned safe claims when it wasn't all that obvious PMJ was talking about safe claims. I don't think I'm wording what I'm trying to get across quite right, but it's simple psychology. I'm sure it would make sense to everyone if I worded it correctly.
Also I forgot to mention this in my super ultra mega giant post I just made, but if it looks like Keeper and Cobalt are going to tie, I'll switch my vote over to Cobalt so we can get a lynch today.
also im going to bed now nite
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.
And ninja'd by a few other posts. That's what I get for doing several things and once and typing a minor wall of text. Though, it does remind me that I forgot to address the suspicion on Camo in my earlier post, so I'll do that now.
The points on Camo are interesting. I tend to read strong aggression innocently (I've found in the past that scum are less likely to put their necks out that far and make a big scene by being very aggressive themselves), but if Camo always plays aggressively, it kind of throws that argument out the window. I'm honestly kind of flabbergasted that people are saying Camo is usually more aggressive than this, considering that right now he seems to have more aggression than all of the other players combined. I'm trying to separate Camo from his aggression, but that doesn't leave me with much. He's claimed the reporter action, though I don't remember if there was a cause for that or not. I think it's a bit too soon to see if his actions are helpful for the town or not since we don't have flips on any of the people he's gone up against.
So, I guess this post isn't really all too helpful either. Carry on.
And ninja'd by a few other posts. That's what I get for doing several things and once and typing a minor wall of text. Though, it does remind me that I forgot to address the suspicion on Camo in my earlier post, so I'll do that now.
The points on Camo are interesting. I tend to read strong aggression innocently (I've found in the past that scum are less likely to put their necks out that far and make a big scene by being very aggressive themselves), but if Camo always plays aggressively, it kind of throws that argument out the window. I'm honestly kind of flabbergasted that people are saying Camo is usually more aggressive than this, considering that right now he seems to have more aggression than all of the other players combined. I'm trying to separate Camo from his aggression, but that doesn't leave me with much. He's claimed the reporter action, though I don't remember if there was a cause for that or not. I think it's a bit too soon to see if his actions are helpful for the town or not since we don't have flips on any of the people he's gone up against.
So, I guess this post isn't really all too helpful either. Carry on.
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.
Yes... I thought he was most definitely scummy yesterday and I had good reason. He was playing from the suicidal VT standpoint. Act scummy then claim a PR when you get suspicion to bait the kill.Teal said:
I don't want to be lynched this game (does anyone?). And I've gotten better.Machamp The Champion said:
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.
You're my FOS. I don't really see how going after my only FOS is being like Camo. It's not like I have 6 FOSs.
Only similarity is that I don't have very good reason lol.
Camoclone, you attacked like at least 3 people last game for flipflopping,
sillykyle said:alex said:I capitalized it because I used it to start a sentence
I've already said why, though.
You remind me of a certain member whose name ends with "clone" and begins with "camo".
You're my FOS. I don't really see how going after my only FOS is being like Camo. It's not like I have 6 FOSs.
Only similarity is that I don't have very good reason lol.
Camoclone said:
Camoclone, you attacked like at least 3 people last game for flipflopping,
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.
Except that my vote for D2 is still to lynch KoN. So and I didn't plan on putting my views on Camo out until D3, after KoN was lynched, to ensure that the vote didn't swing away from him. But you know, logic and all that.
Machamp The Champion said:
Except that my vote for D2 is still to lynch KoN. So and I didn't plan on putting my views on Camo out until D3, after KoN was lynched, to ensure that the vote didn't swing away from him. But you know, logic and all that.
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.
Two things: First, we have no evidence that KoN was blocked. If the roleblocker was both smart and active, he would have been, but we can't be sure of that. Second, this is Drohn we're talking about. Based on what we know about Drohn and about his level of experience with this game, I wouldn't be surprised if he was telling the truth. Plus KoN's claim sounds pretty BS.
Athena said:
Two things: First, we have no evidence that KoN was blocked. If the roleblocker was both smart and active, he would have been, but we can't be sure of that. Second, this is Drohn we're talking about. Based on what we know about Drohn and about his level of experience with this game, I wouldn't be surprised if he was telling the truth. Plus KoN's claim sounds pretty BS.
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.
So I'm in to replace Astra? Give me a few days to figure out what is going on and acquire reads.
So I'm in to replace Astra? Give me a few days to figure out what is going on and acquire reads.
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.
Okay, I have two candidates for voting. Either I jump on the bandwagon and vote for Keeper, as there's been tons of evidence supporting that he could be a potential problem, SK or otherwise: Other option is I take my chances with Camoclone, but as of right now, y'all are right, he's actually getting things done and asking the right questions. If he's truly scum, then Camo is doing his name justice. Now this is just for the time being, but ##GIVE: Keeper of Night
If anyone needs any other reason why I'm voting this way, feel free to ask.
Okay, I have two candidates for voting. Either I jump on the bandwagon and vote for Keeper, as there's been tons of evidence supporting that he could be a potential problem, SK or otherwise: Other option is I take my chances with Camoclone, but as of right now, y'all are right, he's actually getting things done and asking the right questions. If he's truly scum, then Camo is doing his name justice. Now this is just for the time being, but ##GIVE: Keeper of Night
If anyone needs any other reason why I'm voting this way, feel free to ask.
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.
@Keeper of Night:
Please post you role name and flavour text or proceed to be lynched.
No. Day two ends tomorrow. Hurry up.Haunted Water said:
What kind of question is that? Well then, explain please.Cobalt Phoenix said:
@Keeper of Night:
Please post you role name and flavour text or proceed to be lynched.
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 2 ends May 22 at 12 PM CDT.
You mean this?
Teal said:
You mean this?
With the way votes are, it seems I'll be lynched anyway.
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