Finished Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Town Wins

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Sorry for the double post.

I'd like to add to my last post, and I'm betting you already thought about that which is why you decided to give that "permission". Full well knowing that your role PM would remain private.

##undecide No Lynch
##decide Luispipe8
 
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For pity's sake, I actually didn't knew that it wasn't allowed, that's why I actually said "(I don't know if that's allowed)". Well, gg, y'all, I guess that if you guys didn't vote me out, the Wolves will in N1, they have a win/win by getting rid of a Town, even if my power is really not that relevant, I suppose.
 
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Additionally, I believe that only super mods and higher can see other members PMs, and then only with the user's permission or special circumstances. However I have never been a staff member so I could be wrong.
 
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It doesn't matter who can see the PMs of other members; it's a WW game, peering into other people's PMs by any means is so ridiculously cheating I don't even know why it was brought up. Please forget about this, it's meaningless.
 
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Luispipe8 said:
For pity's sake, I actually didn't knew that it wasn't allowed, that's why I actually said "(I don't know if that's allowed)". Well, gg, y'all, I guess that if you guys didn't vote me out, the Wolves will in N1, they have a win/win by getting rid of a Town, even if my power is really not that relevant, I suppose.
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Are you sure? Because all you had to do was think for a moment. "If moderators are allowed to go through user's PMs, they can clean any town member and find out any scum member they want". That, my friend, would not make sense at all.

Follow this with you claiming you wanted to screenshot earlier and it seems like you're making up these things you know you cannot do so that it looks like you are trying to clean yourself.
 
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Seriously, guys, it's my first game, I'm still taunting about my do's and don'ts. :p But as I said, nothing is going to get you guys off my back, I totally get that. Just 2 things:
1) Thanks, Kecleon, you at least are taking the time to actually think all this through. I'm saying to the rest, what would you do in my case? You got buried so deep by someone and you just can't get out anymore.
2) Remember this vote by Saturday:
##Vote: Camoclone
Someone(I believe it was Alex) said that if I turned out to be Town, you'll be most probably targeting him, so I'm doing it in advance.
 
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Moderators cannot look into PM history and Super Moderators may only do it when trade scams are reported and the users said they discussed a trade in PM. Using it for other reason would lead to WPM firing you. Plus it would be completely unfair to use for a Werewolf game as Celever mentioned.

I didn't know the wolves would get the Town wincon, so obviously my reason to protect him is invalid. That said, I think his role makes sense and the no-vote weight is true. Do wolves often get such abilities or is that a town thing?

I still think the jump on Luis was very random and I don't think he reacted too suspicious, but I probably wouldn't be able to tell if he was anyway, since I don't have much WW experience. Requesting staff to go to his PMs is a bit weird and desperate, but not wolf-like to me.
 
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Luispipe8 said:
For pity's sake, I actually didn't knew that it wasn't allowed, that's why I actually said "(I don't know if that's allowed)". Well, gg, y'all, I guess that if you guys didn't vote me out, the Wolves will in N1, they have a win/win by getting rid of a Town, even if my power is really not that relevant, I suppose.
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These are basic common sense things though. You seem like an intelligent individual, so the "I didn't realize I couldn't do that" doesn't really make sense.
 
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##TheGuy did the wolves get safe claims or just an example role?
 
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Drohn said:
Moderators cannot look into PM history and Super Moderators may only do it when trade scams are reported and the users said they discussed a trade in PM. Using it for other reason would lead to WPM firing you. Plus it would be completely unfair to use for a Werewolf game as Celever mentioned.

I didn't know the wolves would get the Town wincon, so obviously my reason to protect him is invalid. That said, I think his role makes sense and the no-vote weight is true. Do wolves often get such abilities or is that a town thing?

I still think the jump on Luis was very random and I don't think he reacted too suspicious, but I probably wouldn't be able to tell if he was anyway, since I don't have much WW experience. Requesting staff to go to his PMs is a bit weird and desperate, but not wolf-like to me.
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That's fair enough, and I figured that you wouldn't know about the probable (now confirmed) safes itg. The thing is, as has been stated a couple times before, is that at least one anti-village faction has a voteblocker. I did just realize something, though.

Guys, previously we deduced that each faction had a vote blocker because on 27 people could vote today. But we forgot that there's actually only 29 players itg because WanderingWolf died or something. So it could just be that both mafia factions have a voteblocker. This would be interesting, as it gives the two scum parties large vote control later on in the game if they do decide to band together. However, this gives us even more theories and claims to Luis being mafia. As Drohn asked, vote blocker is generally a role that mafia factions possess. This is because they can actually utilize this voting influence privately and they need it. If a villager has a vote blocking ability (which I've only seen a couple of times before) they are often advised against using it, especially in NOC. If the village think they have found a scum, they lynch them. One lynch vote, in NOC especially, means nothing to the wolves if used against them, as they're not going to get together to protect a certain member of their faction. It can be crucial to the town, though, as the game nears its end, and it takes that little bit of power away from them. As such, vote blocker being a town role is already strange. Being on the town and one mafia faction instead of one on both mafia factions in a 2v1 would be especially weird. I'm more confident than ever in this lynch now!
 
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Camoclone said:
##TheGuy did the wolves get safe claims or just an example role?
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Just an example role. The question was asked already in a similarly worded way and the answer was "they received an example role PM". However, it is host obligation to help scum fake their role PMs in a game like this, so he would've written up the flavour for the scum when asked. Or at least checked it. Notice how Luis was stalling claiming yesterday, and then was suddenly like "OK then!"? Could it have been because TheGuy got on and checked it? This would also back up the "entire chatter" or whatever it was that TheGuy had exchanged with Luis.
 
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Well, I'm not gonna argue anymore unless it's necessary or it saves myself big time, it's useless.

##TheGuy, we aren't allowed to post after deaths, right? In case I wanted to post "I told you so". e.e
 
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Even if Luispipe8 isn't scum, having the ability to take away votes from people is not something we really want anyone to do. And for Day 1, I'd say that that isn't a terrible lynch candidate.

##Vote: Luispipe8
 
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I would vote for Luispipe just to help get the day over with, but I really don't see him as being scum. And losing a town member with that ability so early could prove harmful late-game. No one really jumps out as scum to me, honestly. I might just not change my vote for the rest of the day. No hard feelings Reinforce, right?

I'll post some more later if any new thoughts come to mind while at cross country practice.
 
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I think we should go for NL today, unless we get more info. Nobody seems to really be convinced of Luispipe being a wolf so why should we speed things up for wolves? I don't see much discussion happening. Can everyone cancel their random votes? Just in case we go for NL the single votes can turn into a massacre if all of them are tied.
 
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Drohn said:
I think we should go for NL today, unless we get more info. Nobody seems to really be convinced of Luispipe being a wolf so why should we speed things up for wolves? I don't see much discussion happening. Can everyone cancel their random votes? Just in case we go for NL the single votes can turn into a massacre if all of them are tied.
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I think that there is a ~~decent~~ chance of Luis being scum, especially now that we know there are only 2 vote blockers. Plus, unless we have two scum who both happen to survive until late game, a townie with this role is very... Useless, and will actually have only a negative affect if he is a townie looking at ability alone. So if he is in fact town it won't be a huge loss, and we actually will gain substantial information from it. Moreso than most other Day 1s. I say we carry on!
 
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Let's all vote for another random person and see what happens.

Chaos Jackal? y/y
 
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Drohn said:
Let's all vote for another random person and see what happens.

Chaos Jackal? y/y
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Any decision that saves my butt is my decision too! :p
 
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A mindset of saving your butt in exchange for anything is bad for WW. Well, it's bad for life in general, but that's getting all philosophical.
Also, Drohn, that's about as random as victory in a game of chess.
 
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Chaos Jackal said:
A mindset of saving your butt in exchange for anything is bad for WW. Well, it's bad for life in general, but that's getting all philosophical.
Also, Drohn, that's about as random as victory in a game of chess.
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Well, in this moment, the decision to save me actually saves Town as well from a D1 Town Lynch, so it's not all for my benefit. Up to some point it is, though. xD
 
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