Finished Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [AND THE WINNERS ARE...]

[rev3rsor]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 8: ends Sunday 9th]

I'm here now.
My main suspects are PMJ, because he was so aggressive yesterday against MTC, and Eron, because of his role. I'm not too sure on either yet, though. Either would be a decent lynch imo.

Also, squirtle, did you actually post while driving? That seems very daring dangerous (i do realise that if you did, it was while stopped )

 

[Squirtle Squad]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 8: ends Sunday 9th]

I'm here now.
My main suspects are PMJ, because he was so aggressive yesterday against MTC, and Eron, because of his role. I'm not too sure on either yet, though. Either would be a decent lynch imo.

Also, squirtle, did you actually post while driving? That seems very daring dangerous (i do realise that if you did, it was while stopped )

I had stopped to fill up for petrol and I was just too eager to post my thoughts! Haha!!!

As always I stand by Eron, but I'm not gonna use my one vote until Im sure that's who we are gunning for!!

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 8: ends Sunday 9th]

Do we have claims from everyone? I know wailord claimed a role but never showed his pm. Wailord, care to share?

It's unfortunate mtc was town but I shouldn't be persecuted for it. All the swords' role pms have shit wording and mtc was trying tho lynch someone he thought was town. Where was all the support I had like two days ago?

 

[Reinforce]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 8: ends Sunday 9th]

Hey,Squirtle Squad, using gadgets close-by while filling up on gas is dangerous too, you know!

Well, there's been nothing to dissuade the evidence on Eron yet IMO.

Anybody else have any other ideas?

 

[Squirtle Squad]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 8: ends Sunday 9th]

Petrol! My car uses petrol! Not "gas"... But yes I was eager to post, and the petrol station was my first instance of reception!!

After Eron my vote, if I hadnt used it on Eron, would go to mr muffin
I feel like he has no original ideas, he bandwagons everything and rarely posts! He's way too quiet and active!

 

[Teal]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 8: ends Sunday 9th]

By the way, anyone who doesn't post at least 4 posts during this game day will get modkilled. Not replaced, killed.

 

[GM DracLord]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 8: ends Sunday 9th]

Hey,Squirtle Squad, using gadgets close-by while filling up on gas is dangerous too, you know!

Well, there's been nothing to dissuade the evidence on Eron yet IMO.

Anybody else have any other ideas?

I don't think Eron would be bold enough to claim such role and if he is scum he would not have been easily let to life .. Since his modkilled would confirmed much.. Sorry if you guys don't understand. I had a whole day class for the last 4 days and till the next 3 days .. I can't really read much

 

[CrimsonFlame]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 8: ends Sunday 9th]

By the way, anyone who doesn't post at least 4 posts during this game day will get modkilled. Not replaced, killed.

HEY GUYS WHATS UP

I'm sorry I've been very inactive, my senior year's been hell. I'm reading up on the thread now, and I'll have my analogy and vote by tonight. I'll post enough to not get modkilled, definatley. Wouldn't wanna give the scum a free dead townie.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 7: ends Monday 3rd]

Sure, bbninjas, here you go:


To preempt those of you who would say "lynch him to prove it," I have previously been passed the Assault Vest which grants me immunity from the night kill once, but bars me from triggering any abilities, including passive ones. I've been holding it for a couple days, hoping to draw the attention of the scum in order to get cleared. That way I would not need to get lynched to be cleared (which would be sort of moot since I'd be dead anyway).

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PMJ actually claimed in this post but for some reason doesn't show up whenever you try quoting/replying to it. Anyway, this PG, IMO, says the PMJ has another ability besides his passive one. Here is his claimed role:

Hariyama
Alignment: Town
You eat more than you should but actually you should eat more than you should so it’s fine. It makes you stronger! It’s fine! Don’t worry!

Ability: Thick Fat
You will live one additional day after being lynched or killed. Your role will not be revealed at that time. You can not vote on the additional day.

I do not see Thick Fat as the ability PMJ is talking about... he says something about USING an ability, not letting an ability happen.

I would need a vote history of everyone first.

I have a feeling that either PMJ or Bigfoot are the scum. They seem to be pushing for Innos to go home. I don't know if this is a false generalization or not. I don't want to go through all 131 pages to find out who voted for who. I have been at practice most of the time lately and I am unable to invest in this game.

Final votes in order of day:

Bigfootaus (7) - N/A | Celever | Scorched Feathers | Blui | CrimsonFlame | Meaty | Machamp the Champion
Ice Espeon (5)- Celever | N/A | N/A | Luispipe8 | Chaos Jackal | N/A | Machamp the Champion
Meaty (3)- Celever | Camoclone | Scorched Feathers | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A - DEAD!
Reinforce (4) - N/A | Camoclone | N/A | N/A | Chaos Jackal | Meaty | Eron
Mr.Muffin (5) - Jeremy1026 | Camoclone | N/A | Blui | Chaos Jackal | N/A | Machamp the Champion
Wailord_2 (2) - Jeremy1026 | N/A | N/A | Blui | N/A | N/A | N/A
GM DracLord (4)- N/A | Luispipe8 | N/A | Blui | N/A | N/A | PMJ
Eron (4)- Jeremy1026 | N/A | N/A | Meaty | N/A | Meaty | Machamp the Champion
PMJ (7) - Jeremy (Later Vote)| N/A (Voted Cinesra)| SF (Last Vote) | Blui (First Vote) | Bigfoot (Only Vote) | Machamp the Champion | Machamp the Champion
​

Day 1 - Jeremy1026
Day 2 - Camoclone
Day 3 - Scorched Feathers
Day 4 -Blui
Day 5 - Chaos Jackal
Day- 6 - Meaty
Day - 7- Machamp the Champion

CODE: NAME (Days Voted) - Vote | Vote
Blue = Did vote, Red= Confirmed Scum, Green = Confirmed Town

Reading through the Prologue again and realised that it was fairly obvious that the newpaper was scum. Oh well...
@@PRESSURE: Ice Espeon, Mr.Muffin, PMJ, Eron, Wailord_2
Who do you think is the last scum, and why?

These are all my main suspects BTW.

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bbninjas are you for real?

And how come you don't believe after I told you that ATA (and more) are town.

Maybe maybe not. I do think we SHOULD NOT go after Eron. PMJ or someone else would be much better. I do not want to waste a lynch on Eron... he is currently vanilla.

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Overall, my biggest scum vibers are PMJ, Wailord_2, Mr Muffin and Ice Espeon
PMJ - General reasons, basically the same as everyone else
Wailord_2 - Just seems to be doing nothing helpful to the town, barely has voted, only votes are on town. Posts after I pressure him.
Mr Muffin - I've just been getting scum vibes from him in general, and he has only jumped onto the lynches.
Ice Espeon - Barely posting? Suspicious. I'm hoping he gets Pressure-killed or modkilled.

@Teal Vote count

Also, I would like to know who targeted me on WW N3. I had the Eject Button that got used up then and I would like to know who targeted me. Also, who got the Assualt Vest during N3? MTC got the life orb on N0, I got the eject button on N2, someone got the AV and I also got the Safety Glassess on N4.

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 8: ends Sunday 9th]

We could lynch Eron on suspicions since he has no abilities any more and thus cant' defend himself if he is scum (excluding items), but he has no abilities and thus is less of a threat than if someone like PMJ is scum.

PMJ's Thick Fat ability doesn't seem too town-like, to me. Scum 'living' after being lynched lets them hang around for one more night to kill one more townie - I don't think that's a good thing, so I want PMJ gone ASAP.

So I'd like to get PMJ first, then Eron after that. Haven't seen any major scum signs from anyone else, but I'm open to new suspects.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 8: ends Sunday 9th]

Anyway, this PG, IMO, says the PMJ has another ability besides his passive one. Here is his claimed role:

I do not see Thick Fat as the ability PMJ is talking about... he says something about USING an ability, not letting an ability happen.

I have no idea what you are talking about right here. Please elaborate.

Maybe maybe not. I do think we SHOULD NOT go after Eron. PMJ or someone else would be much better. I do not want to waste a lynch on Eron... he is currently vanilla.

Just because he's vanilla doesn't mean he isn't scum. Don't forget that Keeper is still performing all the scum's night kills even though he is dead.

Also, who got the Assualt Vest during N3?

I did. I kept it until last night. I mentioned something, on day five I think it was, about being put into the spotlight now that my ability was shut off. I was referring to having received the Assault Vest.

Bigfoot, if I might use a similar analogy as I did when I defended you - my ability works when I am killed at night. With no indies, the only way I could die at night is if I were town. I cannot possibly be scum.

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 8: ends Sunday 9th]

Maybe maybe not. I do think we SHOULD NOT go after Eron. PMJ or someone else would be much better. I do not want to waste a lynch on Eron... he is currently vanilla.

Just because he's vanilla doesn't mean he isn't scum. Don't forget that Keeper is still performing all the scum's night kills even though he is dead.

The point is that Eron is not as harmful as, say, Scorched Feathers who had gooey and the power to prevent unvotes. Eron can be killed once we've gotten rid of the more powerful suspects, such as yourself.

Also, who got the Assualt Vest during N3?

I did. I kept it until last night. I mentioned something, on day five I think it was, about being put into the spotlight now that my ability was shut off. I was referring to having received the Assault Vest.

Bigfoot, if I might use a similar analogy as I did when I defended you - my ability works when I am killed at night. With no indies, the only way I could die at night is if I were town. I cannot possibly be scum.

Your ability (as you claimed a while back) is this: "You will live one additional day after being lynched or killed. Your role will not be revealed at that time. You can not vote on the additional day."

Your ability also works when you get lynched. Scum can kill scum at night (as shown by grantm1999 during Night 1). There is no mention of being killed at night, just being killed. "Killed" refers to anything that isn't a lynch, such as my Icy Kiss. You could most definitely be scum.
To restate: your ability (as you posted and as bbninjas quoted) lets you live one more night and day after being lynched or killed. As scum, you could direct the nightkill, and then during your bonus day you could watch town lynch some other town. That's pretty powerful. Eron has nothing like that - no abilities at all - and thus can be considered low-priority next to you.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 8: ends Sunday 9th]

Anyway, this PG, IMO, says the PMJ has another ability besides his passive one. Here is his claimed role:

I do not see Thick Fat as the ability PMJ is talking about... he says something about USING an ability, not letting an ability happen.

I have no idea what you are talking about right here. Please elaborate.

Basically, I read multiple times about you saying 'USING YOUR ABILITY', which imply you have to do something to use your ability. Not just get lynched and happy days.
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If what PMJ is true about the vest, that means that is impossible that he janitored a kill, because the vest would'be prevented him.

PMJ, you still haven't given us the exact wording of the Assualt Vest. Please give it to us.

Could someone make a 'database' of who is who Pokemon for reference? I've got an idea.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 8: ends Sunday 9th]

The point is that Eron is not as harmful as, say, Scorched Feathers who had gooey and the power to prevent unvotes. Eron can be killed once we've gotten rid of the more powerful suspects, such as yourself.

This is not possible, as there is only one scum left. We can't both be scum.

Scum can kill scum at night (as shown by grantm1999 during Night 1).

That's an exception, not the rule, not to mention the scum did not know grant was on their team. Obviously they would not have killed him otherwise.

There is no mention of being killed at night, just being killed. "Killed" refers to anything that isn't a lynch, such as my Icy Kiss. You could most definitely be scum.
To restate: your ability (as you posted and as bbninjas quoted) lets you live one more night and day after being lynched or killed. As scum, you could direct the nightkill, and then during your bonus day you could watch town lynch some other town. That's pretty powerful. Eron has nothing like that - no abilities at all - and thus can be considered low-priority next to you.

You're reaching. Even if I were scum, Keeper still performs the kill every night. What am I directing? Also, even if you were to convince the majority of people I am scum, I would still survive the lynch. So, assuming tomorrow everyone thinks I'm still scum, do you really think people will listen to anything I say? No one who thinks I am scum would take me seriously. I can't even vote on the day after my ability activates. If any lynches would be led, they would not be led by me.

Basically, I read multiple times about you saying 'USING YOUR ABILITY', which imply you have to do something to use your ability. Not just get lynched and happy days.

Show me these quotes. Once you do, I'll go into more detail.

PMJ, you still haven't given us the exact wording of the Assualt Vest. Please give it to us.

@Assault Vest
As long as you are holding this item, you can not trigger any active or passive abilities. You can not be killed during the night. If you survive a kill with this item, it disappears. You may pass this item to another player during the next night.

(PM me a player name to pass.)

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 8: ends Sunday 9th]

The point is that Eron is not as harmful as, say, Scorched Feathers who had gooey and the power to prevent unvotes. Eron can be killed once we've gotten rid of the more powerful suspects, such as yourself.

This is not possible, as there is only one scum left. We can't both be scum.

Scum can kill scum at night (as shown by grantm1999 during Night 1).

That's an exception, not the rule, not to mention the scum did not know grant was on their team. Obviously they would not have killed him otherwise.

There is no mention of being killed at night, just being killed. "Killed" refers to anything that isn't a lynch, such as my Icy Kiss. You could most definitely be scum.
To restate: your ability (as you posted and as bbninjas quoted) lets you live one more night and day after being lynched or killed. As scum, you could direct the nightkill, and then during your bonus day you could watch town lynch some other town. That's pretty powerful. Eron has nothing like that - no abilities at all - and thus can be considered low-priority next to you.

You're reaching. Even if I were scum, Keeper still performs the kill every night. What am I directing? Also, even if you were to convince the majority of people I am scum, I would still survive the lynch. So, assuming tomorrow everyone thinks I'm still scum, do you really think people will listen to anything I say? No one who thinks I am scum would take me seriously. I can't even vote on the day after my ability activates. If any lynches would be led, they would not be led by me.

Basically, I read multiple times about you saying 'USING YOUR ABILITY', which imply you have to do something to use your ability. Not just get lynched and happy days.

Show me these quotes. Once you do, I'll go into more detail.

PMJ, you still haven't given us the exact wording of the Assualt Vest. Please give it to us.

@Assault Vest
As long as you are holding this item, you can not trigger any active or passive abilities. You can not be killed during the night. If you survive a kill with this item, it disappears. You may pass this item to another player during the next night.

(PM me a player name to pass.)

Can't be bothered to find quotes.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 8: ends Sunday 9th]

The point is that Eron is not as harmful as, say, Scorched Feathers who had gooey and the power to prevent unvotes. Eron can be killed once we've gotten rid of the more powerful suspects, such as yourself.

This is not possible, as there is only one scum left. We can't both be scum.

Scum can kill scum at night (as shown by grantm1999 during Night 1).

That's an exception, not the rule, not to mention the scum did not know grant was on their team. Obviously they would not have killed him otherwise.

There is no mention of being killed at night, just being killed. "Killed" refers to anything that isn't a lynch, such as my Icy Kiss. You could most definitely be scum.
To restate: your ability (as you posted and as bbninjas quoted) lets you live one more night and day after being lynched or killed. As scum, you could direct the nightkill, and then during your bonus day you could watch town lynch some other town. That's pretty powerful. Eron has nothing like that - no abilities at all - and thus can be considered low-priority next to you.

You're reaching. Even if I were scum, Keeper still performs the kill every night. What am I directing? Also, even if you were to convince the majority of people I am scum, I would still survive the lynch. So, assuming tomorrow everyone thinks I'm still scum, do you really think people will listen to anything I say? No one who thinks I am scum would take me seriously. I can't even vote on the day after my ability activates. If any lynches would be led, they would not be led by me.

Basically, I read multiple times about you saying 'USING YOUR ABILITY', which imply you have to do something to use your ability. Not just get lynched and happy days.

Show me these quotes. Once you do, I'll go into more detail.

PMJ, you still haven't given us the exact wording of the Assualt Vest. Please give it to us.

@Assault Vest
As long as you are holding this item, you can not trigger any active or passive abilities. You can not be killed during the night. If you survive a kill with this item, it disappears. You may pass this item to another player during the next night.

(PM me a player name to pass.)

Can't be bothered to find quotes.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 8: ends Sunday 9th]

If you're going to be too lazy to build your case then don't expect me to give it any attention.

If you're going to be too lazy to build your case then don't expect me to give it any attention.

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 8: ends Sunday 9th]

The point is that Eron is not as harmful as, say, Scorched Feathers who had gooey and the power to prevent unvotes. Eron can be killed once we've gotten rid of the more powerful suspects, such as yourself.

This is not possible, as there is only one scum left. We can't both be scum.

You're misunderstanding; neither of you are confirmed anything, but you have abilities and are thus more powerful so I believe we should go after you before going after Eron.

There is no mention of being killed at night, just being killed. "Killed" refers to anything that isn't a lynch, such as my Icy Kiss. You could most definitely be scum.
To restate: your ability (as you posted and as bbninjas quoted) lets you live one more night and day after being lynched or killed. As scum, you could direct the nightkill, and then during your bonus day you could watch town lynch some other town. That's pretty powerful. Eron has nothing like that - no abilities at all - and thus can be considered low-priority next to you.

You're reaching. Even if I were scum, Keeper still performs the kill every night. What am I directing? Also, even if you were to convince the majority of people I am scum, I would still survive the lynch. So, assuming tomorrow everyone thinks I'm still scum, do you really think people will listen to anything I say? No one who thinks I am scum would take me seriously. I can't even vote on the day after my ability activates. If any lynches would be led, they would not be led by me.

Hardly. "Directing" in this instance means you're telling Keeper who to kill.
Your role doesn't get revealed until after your 'bonus day' ends, so hopeful townies might have faith in you. Anyway, regardless of whether or not anyone listens to you after your lynch, town would still lynch another person during the day you're alive (especially since a no-lynch isn't possible). If you're scum, that person would be town. It'd be wasteful to do it any later in the game (ie. when there's fewer town alive), so I want to get it over with now.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 8: ends Sunday 9th]

If you're going to be too lazy to build your case then don't expect me to give it any attention.

If you're going to be too lazy to build your case then don't expect me to give it any attention.

Bigfoot is building a sufficient case on you now, and MTC had a good one before. I don't need to build a case.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 8: ends Sunday 9th]

You're misunderstanding; neither of you are confirmed anything, but you have abilities and are thus more powerful so I believe we should go after you before going after Eron.

This is not evidence of anything. I'm pretty sure everyone in this game has at least one either active or passive ability. That in itself makes everyone more powerful than Eron.

It's improbable for scum to have an ability that punishes town for lynching it, but this is Teal we're talking about. He's had me questioning everything he's done this whole game, and so I would not put it past him to make you scum.

That said, I don't think you're scum. Your role PM is similar in wording to mine, and I don't think you could have made it up since you claimed before I did. If you are scum, then kudos to you, because you have me convinced.

Hardly. "Directing" in this instance means you're telling Keeper who to kill.
Your role doesn't get revealed until after your 'bonus day' ends, so hopeful townies might have faith in you. Anyway, regardless of whether or not anyone listens to you after your lynch, town would still lynch another person during the day you're alive (especially since a no-lynch isn't possible). If you're scum, that person would be town. It'd be wasteful to do it any later in the game (ie. when there's fewer town alive), so I want to get it over with now.

You are still reaching. If I am lynched, it's because the majority of the players left think I am scum. A few people who have my back mean little when they're the minority. You also say town will lynch town if I'm scum like that's the only option. If I'm town, then, like today, town has a chance to lynch scum. That is a just as valid option today, tomorrow, or any day until the scum is found.

You are underestimating the possibility of Eron being scum because he has no abilities.

Bigfoot is building a sufficient case on you now, and MTC had a good one before. I don't need to build a case.

Bigfoot hasn't given any legitimate reasons to lynch me over anyone else, and MTC's "case" was flimsy at best. No one has bothered to support evidence to the contrary. Also:

##VOTE Machamp the Champion

You guys have me convinced.

Explain this.

I am starting to suspect you for the following reasons:

1. I think there's a strong chance that there is scum in the Swords of Justice. Four total, three dead, they all flipped town. By my logic, you must obviously be the last remaining scum. I would have bet money that out of you and MTC, he was the scum, but now that he's dead, I can't help but rethink my position on your alignment.
2. You make arguments and then refuse to back them up, claiming that letting other people build cases is okay. This late in the game, that is not okay and it makes you look very scummy (scum would have no reason to try and over complicate things if two townies are trying to lynch each other).
3. The vote above doesn't help either.

Tomorrow, when I have more time, I will iso all remaining players. At least then, if you are all dead set on lynching me, you will have my thoughts laid out and you can hopefully win this one for the town.

For now, bed.