Finished Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [AND THE WINNERS ARE...]

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 10: ends Saturday 15th]

If he dies and is town, then he can use his Jynx ability to take down Wailord_2, who is the only other person I think could be scum (it's either him or Drac).

Machamp had the same statements (lynch Bigfoot because if he's town he'll do this!). I refused to do it because there was confirmed scum that should be lynched instead, now there's no confirmed scum.

That being said, I really would like to live until I'm one of the final 2 players - I can force a tie if that happens (hah, scum let a bomb live too long~). I do think Wailord_2 or Drac should be lynched, but if neither of them are scum then the scum would be IE (copying an ability =/= copying a wincon).

##VOTE: Wailord_2


And IE, what makes you think I'm scummy? As much as you might say that I wanna know the reason(s) why. Some people are thinking I'm scummy and others are thinking I'm town - got a spectrum of opinions on me!

 

[Squirtle Squad]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 10: ends Saturday 15th]

Yes Bigfoot that what I've been saying this whole time!! Nowhere does it say that IE copies a wincon or change alignments! After wailord, IE is my number 2 suspect!

 

[GM DracLord]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 10: ends Saturday 15th]

I have to disagree with IE .. Your sound more like mtc every day. If wailord flip town im going after you ie..

##VOTE: Wailord_2

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 10: ends Saturday 15th]

Before IE jumps in to say "MTC was town so if I sound like him then good for me!" - again, we don't know IE's alignment. I'm surprised IE didn't copy someone else - getting access to a quicktopic isn't the best ability from the deadpool, so it seems like he'll try to play off of Machamp being town to support himself.

Unless IE decides to tunnel me, I'm gonna keep my vote on Wailord.

And I need to post more and I'm about to go to work - reeeeeeeally hoping the Day doesn't end while I'm out >_>

 

[Squirtle Squad]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 10: ends Saturday 15th]

come on Bb!! Get on here and lynch old mate wailord!!

But yes if wailord flips town its IE time!

 

[GM DracLord]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 10: ends Saturday 15th]

And I need to post more and I'm about to go to work - reeeeeeeally hoping the Day doesn't end while I'm out >_>

Im on the same boat as you for that.. I need to head to class soon

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 10: ends Saturday 15th]

And I need to post more and I'm about to go to work - reeeeeeeally hoping the Day doesn't end while I'm out >_>

Im on the same boat as you for that.. I need to head to class soon

5 minutes til I leave. Hurrah for low vote counts plus posting requirements!

BBninja is at school but I'm 99% sure he'll get back before I finish work. At least there'd be one more vote needed even if bb votes for Wailord!

 

[Squirtle Squad]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 10: ends Saturday 15th]

Oh I forgot IE voted Bigfoot... Unless he changes his vote to wailord I'll have to use my vote.. (That's assuming Bb votes for wailord...)

Will IE change his vote...

 

[Squirtle Squad]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 10: ends Saturday 15th]

Alternatively we lynch IE now?? Which im all for

 

[Wailord_2]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 10: ends Saturday 15th]

I don't know how else to prove that I'm not scum. Those who are saying that it's unlikely for Bigfoot to be scum, because he has claimed to be a bomb, isn't it just as unlikely for scum to get a double vote? I find it kind of odd that IE found Bigfoot more scummy than I and wanted to kill him so he could kill me. Possibly he could be scum trying to kill more town members? Honestly, I think IE is our best choice, because people have said he is town, but haven't really given much reason why. At the moment, I think he is most likely to be scum.

##VOTE: Ice Espeon

 

[Squirtle Squad]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 10: ends Saturday 15th]

Umm Meaty had a double vote power as scum.. Double voting as scum isn't uncommon.. But bomber as scum is unlikely so you're more likely scum over Bigfoot (who im almost certain is town 90% sure)

Between you and IE one of you is scum for sure... I'm about 65% IE 35% you so we should go IE I think.. You're next though!!

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 10: ends Saturday 15th]

Okay... I'm back!! Posting some big stuff soon!

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 10: ends Saturday 15th]

Firstly... thanks SO VERY MUCH Jeremy! I was trying SOOO hard not to get night killed due to information I though of during the night (see below).

Okay... Here are my suspects:

Wailord_2
BigfootAUS
...and Ice Espeon.

Wailord_2, mainly because he is an unconfirmed and coincidentally choosing a scum is pretty suspicious.
BigfootAUS basically because of MTC, but that is about it. Basically... not important.
And Ice Espeon. Well, I know I initially I thought he was town but... relised overnight that getting a fake confirmation and access to the QT is very good. And when I'm the only one nevertheless. Honestly, there is NO reason for me to believe him. He did say Wincons or something doesn't change. 'A bit insecure' rings bells as much as 'mentally unstable' does.

Here is all of the posts since IE has had access to the QT (in order):

Spoiler: QT

Ice Espeon has now access to this quicktopic.

May I know why?

This was my role:

Ditto
Alignment: Town
Everyone wants you. Nobody can resist you. But in reality you are a bit insecure. Is the meaning of your life really just being someone else?

Ability: Transform
Use: once per game at day or night
You may PM me a player name from a player that died in the latest (day/night) update. You will (partly) copy some/any abilities from that player. The abilities may be altered from the original. Not all abilities can be copied. You may PM me to ask about any possible changes first.

I decided to copy MTC as it would help to clear me from the suspect list if I used this ability in a way that could instantly prove my claim.

My new role is:

Ditto [Terrakion]
Alignment: Town
Everyone wants you. Nobody can resist you. But in reality you are a bit insecure. Is the meaning of your life really just being someone else?

Ability: Council of the Swordsmen
You may share your thoughts on the game with the players of Cobalion and Virizion in a separately sent quicktopic. (You do not know the alignments of those players.)

At this stage clearing people is extremely helpful in ruling out people who can be scum.

I didn't claim sooner as doing so could have painted a big target on my back.

I agree. Good choice. Was it possible for you to transform into scum? Anyway, I cannot imagine that a scum could/would have that ability. Do you think we should be getting you claimed in the following day? Or make the scum believe I'm still vanilla?

Another things I've thought of, in relation to the janitor kill. There is the possibility that One Approved's role wouldn't be revealed at all due to OA's ability.

Alive players that aren't confirmed (IMO):

10. GM DracLord - Towny
13. Wailord_2 - Inactive - Scummy
20. Bigfootaus - Maybe scum
24. Reinforce - Second choice scum.

I could only copy abilities and not win conditions.

I think what could be interesting (although risky) would be for me to claim, then you don't post to confirm it for a while so we can see the reactions of people. If anyone jumps on me then there is a possibility that they may be scum.

Good point with OA.

I don't think that BigfootAUS is scum purely for the reason of all the attention that Chaos Jackal brought on to him with his announcer role. It would have been a pretty risky gambit for CJ to put that much of a spotlight on Bigfoot if they were both scum.

Wailord seems scummy but then in the last game (WW XII) he seemed scummy and turned out to be town xP.

I actually suspect BigfootAUS purely due to MTC's very large attack, although he would be my third choice of the four. Have you read through the full QT?

I've skimmed through all of it now. What do you think about revealing?

/m185 As in tomorrow?

Yeah

Wait a little bit, but I do think we NEED to get you a claim tomorrow sometime in case I die. Which is likely.

DAY STARTS

I'm going to claim now so we can confirm as many townies as possible.

Okay then. Got the goggles again, btw

IE, don't comment on my Eron question. If he answers with a Pokemon, he is scum. Its one of MTC's tricks.

Yeah I saw that when I was reading :>

NIGHT STARTS

Oh dear >.>

4 Dead and none were the scum ;-;

That ain't good. Passed SG to you.

Remaining players:

2. Ice Espeon - NEARLY CONFIRMED
7. GM DracLord - Role seems real
13. Wailord_2 - Mentally unstable??
18. Bbninjas CONFIRMED
20. Bigfootaus - Second scummiest role. Would like him dead for confirmation then if we are wrong, he can kill someone else.
28. alex Squirtle Squad (subbed in) CONFIRMED

I have this nagging feeling that I'm going to die tonight...

IT WAS ABOUT HERE I STARTED TO RELISE THAT IE MAY BE SCUM...

Anyway, if I do die, I suggest go after Bigfoot or Wailord. Who do you suggest?

Yeah I think either you or Squirtle Squad will be killed tonight as the only two confirmed people.

I'd like to lynch Bigfoot as he was very quick to join the Eron wagon and even when we voiced out concerns about the possibility of killing 4 townies he didn't seem to be too woried by it.

The other reason that we should lynch Bigfoot is that if he is town with his ability then we can get him to kill Wailord (who is guaranteed to be the last scum in that case (pretty sure that Drac is town)). The best thing about this is that even if he is dead he'll still win with the town wincon, so if he is reluctant in any way to die then it will be clear that he is the scum.

Cool!

There is the possibility of wailord being killed if he is town. A double vote sounds dangerous to the scum.

If Wailord is killed then we can get Bigfoot to take out Drac instead

Pretty sure that Bigfoot is the scum now, anyway.

Agreed... he is getting further to the bottom of my list, and you are getting further to the top!

THAT WAS A BIG LIE

I get the feeling that there is just https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM3MzWYa_-Y before the end

DAY STARTS

You're alive, yay

So...
One of the main things is that IE said that Bigfoot was not scummy due to it being scum-risky if numerous scum jumped on him. Now, IE is saying the Bigfoot is scummiest. Notable thing: IE has the goggles.

Anyway, I would be surprised if there could be two doublevoters in the Scum, so I do not want to get Wailord yet. The main problem is that if Wailord is a double voter, then if we have IE and (probably) myself killed then that is 4 left, 2 for a majority lynch. The double voter just needs to vote for one person and they are dead.

It may be one of the best courses of action to kill Wailord in case of being a scum doublevoter, then in the next day have the remaining 3 kill IE. I will hold my vote nevertheless until I get some opinions.

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 10: ends Saturday 15th]

If he's holding the Safety Goggles and dies, no one gets them afterwards right? Because if you really want me to bomb a suspect accurately, I don't think I can do that with Safety Goggles floating through the game.
And yeah, IE seems super scummy after reading all that QT. Thanks bb, you're a huge help!

##UNVOTE: Wailord_2
##VOTE: Ice Espeon

If we lynch IE today and he flips town, lynch me tomorrow and I'll bomb whoever we all agree on.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 10: ends Saturday 15th]

If he's holding the Safety Goggles and dies, no one gets them afterwards right? Because if you really want me to bomb a suspect accurately, I don't think I can do that with Safety Goggles floating through the game.
And yeah, IE seems super scummy after reading all that QT. Thanks bb, you're a huge help!

##UNVOTE: Wailord_2
##VOTE: Ice Espeon

If we lynch IE today and he flips town, lynch me tomorrow and I'll bomb whoever we all agree on.

What if Wailord is a doublevoter scum? If he is I'm pretty sure that it is game over for Town.
I think IE lynch can wait a little bit - it can wait for the following day. A scum Wailord cannot.
That is unless someone is lying about abilities that can kill whenever that player chooses to even the scum:town. Remember IE must pass the SG tonight (either to SS or Bigfoot or Drac) so it should be safe to bomb IE during the next Day.

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 10: ends Saturday 15th]

Doublevoters don't spell doom for town. The wincon for each faction is to eliminate the other faction. (Was? I'm sure it was in the OP a while ago, geez Teal. =/ ), not outnumber/control more votes/anything like that. If I live long enough (to a point when it's just me and the one scum left), I can force a tie.

I'm only agreeing to the bomb thing if IE gets lynched today; don't make plans on using me as a bomb for any other day - especially if IE lives and the Safety Goggles get passed around. At this point, I'd kill Wailord_2 only if I got nightkilled. (Listen up, scum!) (And if IE flips town then obviously I'd push for Wailord's lynch, don't worry about that.)

I'd rather Safety Goggles die off with IE than have him pass them to anyone else. If the Safety Goggles continue to be passed around, there's no guarantee that I could actually bomb a target because the Safety Goggles might end up on my target.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 10: ends Saturday 15th]

I see your point. I will wait for IE's and SS's opinions though.

 

[Ice Espeon]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 10: ends Saturday 15th]

I wasn't really considering Bigfoot during the day because I thought there were more viable suspects. After all four of the people yesterday died with no scum I looked back for scummy behaviour. The main thing that gave me a hint about Bigfoot was just how quickly he joined the Eron bandwagon and then how he acted afterwards. (It was 1:00AM when I posted so I couldn't elaborate >.>. I also couldn't elaborate in the QT because it was literally just as I was about to go to school. It's been a busy and tiring week so it's difficult to remember to do so later (and to find the time).)

##VOTE: Eron

Almost forgot about my priority list from the previous Day. Yeah, Eron seems good to get. He could've easily been lying, and the only reason I wanted PMJ lynched before Eron was because Eron is now vanilla. I think it's time we got Eron.

I don't like the idea of sweeping so many players out by rushing the day, but I think scum's made enough mistakes to secure a town victory or at least a tie. And it'd make PMJ properly dead and reveal his role - it'd be nice if he was scum.

He was the third one to join the vote after bbninjas and I (who had discussed it in the QT beforehand). He expresses concerns here over the killing of a large quantity of players. However, after I post a solution to this problem below (where we wait for the confo-town to get safe through posts), Bigfoot is nowhere to be seen in the thread.

There are two votes needed to lynch Eron, which atm would lynch you CF (not having 6 posts yet). There are 10 players left, btw.

Taking my vote off of Eron until CF reaches the post quota as he is confirmed as town. After that I think we should proceed with the Eron vote plan.

##UNVOTE: Eron

This was probably due to not wanting to derail the lynch and the opportunity to kill 4 townies. (Not being online is not an excuse as I was having a Skype conversation with him at the time).

Since the day has started, I've noticed another thing from Bigfoot:

If he's holding the Safety Goggles and dies, no one gets them afterwards right? Because if you really want me to bomb a suspect accurately, I don't think I can do that with Safety Goggles floating through the game.
And yeah, IE seems super scummy after reading all that QT. Thanks bb, you're a huge help!

##UNVOTE: Wailord_2
##VOTE: Ice Espeon

If we lynch IE today and he flips town, lynch me tomorrow and I'll bomb whoever we all agree on.

Thanking somebody like this seems like you are just trying to get their trust. This sentence is completely unnecessary (you don't need to thank somebody for them trying to win).

There were also occasions where he was extremely reluctant to reveal his role (because it was apparently more fun for him to have us guess and waste time than it was for him to reveal).

I didn't use my role earlier as I was waiting for someone to be a priest/doctor. I chose mason after it seemed like there was nothing else that was actually viable, as well as it being a good opportunity to help confirm my alignment in a way that wouldn't waste town time. It wouldn't make sense for me to be scum when there was another copying ability in the scum team already. If it did actually occur that there were two copying roles on the scum team, I would have copied something else long ago that didn't involve me being put into the spotlight.

If Bigfoot is town and believes that Wailord is scum, then dying today is a good option for him. It will help the town to take out two suspects at a time (which will help in the long run), and if he was right with Wailord then he would literally win the game.

The safety goggles mean that I cannot be killed by the bomb. If Wailord and Bigfoot die today, then tomorrow the alive players will be:

GM Draclord
Me
bbninjas or Squirtle Squad (it is likely that one of the two confirmed town players will be killed.)

If it gets to this stage then it would be easy to lynch me if you thought I was scum.

Bigfoot keeps mentioning that he wants to be one of two players left at the end, yet if he is scum then doing so will mean that he has won!

It is much safer to lynch Bigfoot and for him to kill Wailord than to kill me today and risk Bigfoot/Wailord being scum. (You say that it is unlikely for scum to have a bomb, yet he could be lying about this entirely). His resistance to this happening today is further proof that he is scum for me.

 

[Squirtle Squad]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 10: ends Saturday 15th]

I'm in agreement with Bigfoot and wailord, as I've been the saying this whole time since IE revealed his role!! (No one believed me at first though )

Also I shouldn't need to use my vote this day at all if we go IE, which is good cos I don't want to waste it!

I'm all for the IE lynch, depending on what we he flips I say we go wailord or Bigfoot tomorrow! (Preferably wailord)

That's my two cents! Now let's get him!

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 10: ends Saturday 15th]

Okay... IMO, it looks like killing Bigfoot is the only way I can see a near-definite town win.
If Bigfoot is town, then he will kill Wailord, so that brings down two possible scum, including the dangerous scum double-voter. If both are town, then we can kill IE without /much/ hassle and that should be the last scum, unless Drac is an amazing scum player.

I'm starting to lean more to Bigfoot.
His main defense is 'a bomb is very unlikely for a scum'. Well... it is very unlikely for the scum to have two copying abilities and double voting abilities. And he put up a huge defense against MTC.

And @bigfoot I don't want a tie, I want a town win. Anyway, I'm pretty sure that if that everyone can say if they do/do not have the goggles and you can just target someone with out them. If you truely believed the Town, then they would help you get the right target.