Finished Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [AND THE WINNERS ARE...]

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

So the conspiracy theorist in me wants to think that celever is being cleaned by his scum partner. I still don't trust him. If cf were to get lynched and flip town then I might. Otherwise it just seems too convenient. Inactives getting killed over cleanish townies doesn't sit well with me.

Here, PMJ uses a completely unrelated sentence to connect with the town. "Inactives getting killed over cleanish townies" has nothing to do with his "conspiracy theory" yet they are combined into one paragraph to make his first statement more believable. A town doesn't have to use techniques like that -- they state their opinions to get them out there, not to persuade people. Not when a baseless theory is just starting, anyway.

There is little reason to kill them if they aren't active. Scum seers aren't unheard of but the situation you're describing is unlikely.

This rubs me up the wrong way for reason -- he is disregarding all theories on why the inactives might be getting killed. Scum wants to shut down all speculation over possibles scum members and scum abilities as quickly as possible, whereas the town should recognise that discussion about those things is fairly healthy.

You're right. Sorry. How foolish of me to think that someone can be trusted based on the word alone of another player who is not proven town. There's Nino way at all this could be a way to cement celever as confirmed town without actually being cleared.

He is now just being stubborn with his theory and refusing to step down. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Crimson's original post -- it just looks like a townie posting his results of his one-time ability in case he dies. Sure, it makes me a target for the NK, but it is a good move nevertheless. I am just confused about why you think your theory is correct so badly -- there is nothing to indicate that your idea is in fact true.

And that is all of PMJ's activity today. He is just scummy; no one else sees nothing wrong

Scum is getting wrecked. It wouldn't be implausible for you guys to try a wild gambit to win.

I say lynch crimson. He claims to be vanilla now so we lose nothing if he flips town. Town is in a great position atm. We can afford a mislynch.

This is simple desperation. Seriously, he outright said "I say lynch crimson". Oh, but he doesn't actually vote for him, because he doesn't want to be held responsible when the lynch goes sour and we just look at the vote counts.

One thing he says particularly interests me. Where he says: "Scum is getting wrecked. It wouldn't be implausible for you guys to try a wild gambit to win.". I agree with this statement, but you know who is attempting the wild gambit? PMJ. He is trying his hardest to get Crimson lynched here, or at the very least move discussion on (as he hasn't physically lynched Crimson yet) because he obviously saw it as a way to take the focus off of Meaty. A new possible lead came up and he ran like hell with it, which is in and of itself the gambit. Meaty's inactivity is also a huge part of this -- if Meaty isn't posting, discussion can move forwards easily since "out of sight out of mind" applies to WW quite often. PMJ, post in the scumchat and tell Meaty that he can start posting again now. It's OK, I figured it out! :]

Also, your theory is flawed. I explained it all in my last post. I think you've read it as you've posted, but you definitely haven't responded to it! D:

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

Give me a sec. I'm replying to many posts at once.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

Okay, give me a while. This is taking longer than I thought. I'm still here, though.

 

[Reinforce]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

I'm sensing desperation from PMJ here.

Frankly, I think if Crimson was wolf trying to clear his wolf partner Celever, then putting themselves in the spotlight like this isn't helping their team, especially when three wolves are already down. Furthermore, suspicion on Celever was already dying since a day ago, it's not like he was set to be the main lynch suspect at the start of the day today. If I'm not mistaken, there was the idea to follow Drohn's ideas the other day and go for Meaty. There was no need to "clear" Celever today. Crimson didn't come off to me as defending Celever in his post either. In fact, Crimson posted his results almost immediately at the start of this day. If he did that when Celever was being interrogated and drilled by everyone, then yeah, we have reason to believe he posted his results "to clear Celever" a.k.a. defend him. But look when he posted it. In fact, his posting of his results and the timing of it would be contradictory to the cause you state that he's doing it for: it put the spotlight back on Celever when it was pretty much no longer there. There was nothing to prompt Crimson to clear or defend Celever at that time.

No one reacted badly to it too; it was pretty much understood that Crimson was just sharing his ability results (which is a normal thing), only that it had a side effect of somewhat clearing someone.

So that's why you look like you're forcing the spotlight on them and then painting suspicion on them, which in turn makes you look desperate. In the position we are in now, the only ones who would have reason to act desperate are the wolves, who are down in number. I was already suspicious of you yesterday when you pretty much hammered SF, and your actions right now is nowhere near overturning that opinion.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

Okay, now that I'm not on my stupid phone anymore I can make better posts. HERE WE GO:

Alright, maybe's it's not that unlikely, but you seem abnormally uncertain of Crimson's claim.

I'm overly suspicious because DNA did the same exact thing in WW12. If the scum are getting crushed, why are they wasting their time killing off inactive players instead of people like Celever who are in a position to lead?

It's just generally not a good idea for scum to do what Crimson said, because usually, at some point, either a Seer will check one of their alignments, or someone will get suspicious of one of them and get them lynched, getting them both killed, when this could've been easily avoided by Crimson not stepping in at all.

It might not be a good idea, generally speaking, but with the scum team in tatters and Celever already seen as town, it wouldn't be a stretch to have your last remaining partner clean you to solidify your rank in the town. Crimson isn't even a blip on the scum radar at this point, so him casually mentioning that Celever was clean is a low risk, extremely high reward strategy that could win them the game if they're scum.

Celever also wasn't that huge of a target before Crimson claimed, so it's not like the wolves had to do something to save Celever.

No, they didn't, but it certainly would help to try and solidify his rank in the town.

@everyone else Does PMJ always makes 'suspicious'/'no-this-cannot-be-right' posts?

I do when I see something I don't like. When I scum hunt I tend to tunnel the guy I think is scum until he's dead or I'm dead. In my defense, this is usually in the very early game, like day one or two. After that I'm usually dead, lol.

I just don't get why I'm the only person who thinks this situation is weird.

I also can't really comment on this seer stuff. PMJ, why are you so incredibly cautious? I agree that it is necessary to weigh up every option, but this is a good time to think about occam's razor.

"Yes, I could be scum, but since more people think I'm town, you should just assume I'm town."

Looking at the situation, there is little reason for there to be a lie over me in a bid to save me.

If you're scum, then there is every reason for someone to lie to save you.

The general consensus from the active players at the end of yesterday like bbninjas and MtC was that I am town, and nothing changed in Day 4.

What I'm getting from this statement is that you think I should drop the case against you because active players feel you are town.

Furthermore, who exactly are you trying to accuse here? I think that you are still trying to off me, but your argument works in two ways: "Crimson and I are scum buddies" and "Crimson is scum". If Crimson is town and I am scum, there is no reason for Crimson to lie about his results, so that is an impossible theory.

I think you're both scum. We could lynch either you or him and the other one would be cleaned or boned based on they flip. If one flips town, the other is also town. If one is scum, then it's gfg.

At this point I'd rather lynch you than him, but like I said, I would be totally cool with a Crimson lynch.

Furthermore, the FIRST option is also incorrect! This is a game of I think 30? However many, it was agreed that 6 mafia was the most logical and likely number. Well 4 are already dead, and if Drohn somehow nailed 4/5 remaining scum at the time that leaves 1 more, and as I already mentioned Crimson being town and myself scum is impossible.

Six mafia is a logical number, but seven is just as feasible. That's only about 25% of the player pool, and if your defense is relying on some arbitrary limit that someone who isn't Teal came up with, then I feel that much better about stringing you up.

It isn't impossible for him to be town and you to be scum, but it is extremely unlikely so if Crimson is lynched and was being honest about his role (and is also town), I will trust you.

So IF Meaty flips town, we can take another look at your theory of Crimson and I being scum, even if it is incorrect, just to put any queries to rest. If Meaty flips scum, do you really want to try and prosecute Crimson just for sharing his result?

You better believe I do. Until I know for sure what your alignment is, I will not trust you or anyone who comes to your defense.

PMJ is drilling pretty hard for CrimsonFlame to be lynched. At least let CrimsonFlame reveal his role (like he offered to) before going so hard on him. Tbh, it's making me kinda suspicious of PMJ - but then I felt the same about Celever back when he was posting like 10 pages per IRL day and I don't feel that way about Celever now. Just... At least let CF claim his role.

He soft claimed already and I haven't actually voted for him. Just throwing my ideas out there.

Lynching a townie would lose us a vote - vanilla role aside, a vote can be kinda handy. You know, with the whole lynching aspect of this game each vote is kinda important. I wouldn't recommend rushing to lynch folks, regardless of how good town's position is.

Lynching anyone would lose us a vote. They don't have to be aligned with the town. Scum will jump on a wagon that is building on their partner in order to look clean, so when it comes to the lynch vote, alignment isn't as important as you're making it out to be.

I would like to come out as the guy who neighboured PMJ on Night 1 right now though, just as a little note. PMJ feel free to confirm.

Done.

Here, PMJ uses a completely unrelated sentence to connect with the town. "Inactives getting killed over cleanish townies" has nothing to do with his "conspiracy theory" yet they are combined into one paragraph to make his first statement more believable. A town doesn't have to use techniques like that -- they state their opinions to get them out there, not to persuade people. Not when a baseless theory is just starting, anyway.

Where do I even begin...

When inactive players are being given priority over players who are being active, contributing, and scumhunting, it means one of three things:

1. The scum team is dumb as balls
2. The scum team has a seer who is just happening to hit people with great roles and convincing his teammates to kill everyone he inspects
3. The players who are being active, contributing, and scumhunting are scum

Also, TheGuy's role was shit. It was hugely situational, and any scum player worth his salt could craft a safe claim to circumvent it. He was immune to poison, another situational ability which would be great if grant didn't die before TheGuy did. The fact that we haven't heard anything about players being poisoned or injured in some way makes me think grant was the only one, especially since there are no indies. He also gets lynched at an absurdly low number so the scum might actually benefit from leaving him alive. Why was he killed again?

I said it was a conspiracy theory because that's what it could be seen as. Right now it seems I'm the only one who thinks you're scum, so when someone comes forward and claims to have evidence that you are town, I immediately dismiss it and assume he is also scum and trying to save you.

My entire argument for you being scum revolves around the fact that inactive people with shitty roles are getting killed over you, someone who is active and seen as guaranteed town. How is my statement not related to that?

This rubs me up the wrong way for reason -- he is disregarding all theories on why the inactives might be getting killed. Scum wants to shut down all speculation over possibles scum members and scum abilities as quickly as possible, whereas the town should recognise that discussion about those things is fairly healthy.

Reasons why inactives might be getting killed:

1. The scum team is dumb as balls
2. Scum team has a seer who is inspecting and eliminating threats to their team

TheGuy's role was horrible, or at least not killing over, so... why else would the scum need to waste their kill on inactive players when they'll just get modkilled anyway?

He is now just being stubborn with his theory and refusing to step down. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Crimson's original post -- it just looks like a townie posting his results of his one-time ability in case he dies. Sure, it makes me a target for the NK, but it is a good move nevertheless. I am just confused about why you think your theory is correct so badly -- there is nothing to indicate that your idea is in fact true.

Stubborn? Sure, I'll admit it, but I'd rather be wrong about you being scum than lose because no one here is willing to at least entertain the fact that you're scum. There is also nothing to indicate that my theory is false, either, so you can't use that last bit as an argument.

This is simple desperation. Seriously, he outright said "I say lynch crimson". Oh, but he doesn't actually vote for him, because he doesn't want to be held responsible when the lynch goes sour and we just look at the vote counts.

No one in this game is going to assume "well, gosh, Crimson flipped town, who pushed for his lynch again? Must have been the first guy to vote for him and everyone else is absolved of guilt." No one. Get real.

One thing he says particularly interests me. Where he says: "Scum is getting wrecked. It wouldn't be implausible for you guys to try a wild gambit to win.". I agree with this statement, but you know who is attempting the wild gambit? PMJ. He is trying his hardest to get Crimson lynched here, or at the very least move discussion on (as he hasn't physically lynched Crimson yet) because he obviously saw it as a way to take the focus off of Meaty. A new possible lead came up and he ran like hell with it, which is in and of itself the gambit. Meaty's inactivity is also a huge part of this -- if Meaty isn't posting, discussion can move forwards easily since "out of sight out of mind" applies to WW quite often. PMJ, post in the scumchat and tell Meaty that he can start posting again now. It's OK, I figured it out! :]

If Meaty isn't posting he will be modkilled. If he is scum then he has no reason not to meet the posting quota.

The reason what you're doing is a wild gambit is because you are already seen as town and everyone trusts you with absolutely no reason to.

I'm sensing desperation from PMJ here.

Frankly, I think if Crimson was wolf trying to clear his wolf partner Celever, then putting themselves in the spotlight like this isn't helping their team, especially when three wolves are already down.

Celever is already seen as soft town. If Crimson posts 'proof' saying he is, then Celever is free to lead the town to a loss. How do we know Crimson is telling the truth?

Furthermore, suspicion on Celever was already dying since a day ago, it's not like he was set to be the main lynch suspect at the start of the day today.

It was dying until I brought it back to life. Perhaps, if they're scum buddies, Celever saw this as an opportunity to quash any suspicion before it got out of hand.

If I'm not mistaken, there was the idea to follow Drohn's ideas the other day and go for Meaty. There was no need to "clear" Celever today. Crimson didn't come off to me as defending Celever in his post either. In fact, Crimson posted his results almost immediately at the start of this day. If he did that when Celever was being interrogated and drilled by everyone, then yeah, we have reason to believe he posted his results "to clear Celever" a.k.a. defend him. But look when he posted it. In fact, his posting of his results and the timing of it would be contradictory to the cause you state that he's doing it for: it put the spotlight back on Celever when it was pretty much no longer there. There was nothing to prompt Crimson to clear or defend Celever at that time.

Wrong. The scum have had all night to discuss a course of action for today.

So that's why you look like you're forcing the spotlight on them and then painting suspicion on them, which in turn makes you look desperate. In the position we are in now, the only ones who would have reason to act desperate are the wolves, who are down in number. I was already suspicious of you yesterday when you pretty much hammered SF, and your actions right now is nowhere near overturning that opinion.

How have I acted in a desperate manner? Is everyone in this game seriously thinking I'm wrong about Celever and my case has no merits at all? If that's it then I don't know what to say.

I have to go. This has taken far too much of my time. I will try to reply later before my show tonight, including any posts I am missing now because I'm not hitting preview post. Sorry for any formatting errors.

 

[Chaos Jackal]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

I have to admit that while PMJ might be trying to pull off a desperate last stand, it just doesn't seem very likely. His suspicions do have at least some merit. Right now, there are two, three at most scum players left against seventeen townies... the odds are bad. A stunt move that clears the two remaining scum members (or two-out-of-three) might be a long shot, but what do they have to lose? They are already in a tough spot. If the trick is successful, then they actually have a chance at winning, however small.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

PMJ, your theory is totally baseless but has many aspects to it which point to YOU being scum as opposed to either Crimson or I. While I understand that this is a similar thing to what happened before to a scum member, that plan worked because it very feasibly happens to a townie as well...

##Vote: PMJ

I would honestly much rather stop this today and lynch Meaty tomorrow when he can get online or is modkilled than to lynch Meaty today and look at PMJ more tomorrow. If Meaty is getting modkilled as scum anyway then great -- I think that PMJ is the best target besides him right now. He was already scummy yesterday (especially the way he hammered. Obviously it was a hammer so I didn't get a chance to point it out at the time so you know.),

To answer some more specific things on your post:
"How have I acted in a desperate manner? Is everyone in this game seriously thinking I'm wrong about Celever and my case has no merits at all?"

I think that that's about right. bbninjas clearly thinks you have no merit with this case looking at his posts, and MtC thinks that there is a slight possibility. What you are saying is POSSIBLE, but you have provided absolutely no evidence as to whether it has happened or not here. Whereas there is reasonable evidence dictating that it is town on town -- mainly the fact that I was seen as town in the first place.

"If the scum are getting crushed, why are they wasting their time killing off inactive players instead of people like Celever who are in a position to lead?"

I don't know, OK? The fact that you keep on repeating this question like you are expecting some kind of answer is actually quite irritating. The only person who knows why the kills have been targeted at who they have been are the scum. Honestly TheGuy seems like a revenge kill to me (because he really messed up their plan by saying he targeted Camo and got the Gooey ability as his result) and who knows about grant and Lenny... Saying that their being killed is a reason why I am scum is also very stupid, though. At the end of D2 I inflicted suspicion onto you, but a lot of people equally stated that you are probably town. Why weren't you killed? Same for bbninjas and MtC -- they are pretty much soft town tbh, and they aren't dead. bbninjas is also quite active, and MtC has a lot of content; why are you focusing on me?

"It might not be a good idea, generally speaking, but with the scum team in tatters and Celever already seen as town, it wouldn't be a stretch to have your last remaining partner clean you to solidify your rank in the town. "

I know that you're not going to believe me when I say this because you hate my guts itg for whatever reason, but honestly I see no merit in this plan. You have admitted many times that I was already seen as soft town. If I am in a position to lead and having a rank of soft town your proposed plan seems very high risk low reward to me, as I would gain a small amount of power over the town (as I already have a pretty considerable amount in that I am not at all a suspect right now and this game is pretty much set in stone thanks to Drohn somehow) but I would lose a lot if I were figured out. That's my issue -- you are saying that this is a fantastic plan because you fell for it once, but I really can't see any real merit in it, and I definitely don't think it is as low risk high reward as you make it out to be...

"I just don't get why I'm the only person who thinks this situation is weird."

Because there is absolutely no reason to think that this situation is weird.

""Yes, I could be scum, but since more people think I'm town, you should just assume I'm town.""

No, but consider why that is. You are the only vocal person who thinks I'm not town, and there is a reason for that.

"If you're scum, then there is every reason for someone to lie to save you."

Except that this isn't exactly "saving" me. I know that I used that word, but I phrased it badly honestly. I was in no trouble and under no real suspicion, so the risk vs reward of the strategy given the situation is just too bad. I know that most of you guys know me pretty well, and as such know that that strategy is just too statistically flawed for it to be something that I would attempt.

"What I'm getting from this statement is that you think I should drop the case against you because active players feel you are town."

You took it out of context. I meant that there was no reason for a tactic like that to be used BECAUSE most/all of the active players felt that I was town.

"At this point I'd rather lynch you than him, but like I said, I would be totally cool with a Crimson lynch."

Why? Because I am pointing out the flaws in your theory -- because I am being trusted over you? Frustration over the previous two points?

"He soft claimed already and I haven't actually voted for him. Just throwing my ideas out there."

Ok woah woah woah hold up. "Just throwing my ideas out there"? You are tuneling the both of us -- in no way is that "just" trying to get your point across. You literally cried "LYNCH CRIMSON" earlier and you are "just throwing your ideas out there"? This is scum trying to look like they aren't fully tuneling or pushing this lynch, I'm sure of it.

"When inactive players are being given priority over players who are being active, contributing, and scumhunting, it means one of three things:

1. The scum team is dumb as balls
2. The scum team has a seer who is just happening to hit people with great roles and convincing his teammates to kill everyone he inspects
3. The players who are being active, contributing, and scumhunting are scum"

I must disagree with this. It could be for a huge number of reasons, really. Like I said before, I'm beginning to think that TheGuy's kill was just a revenge kill. N1 kill was fairly random (Camo and KoN, two of the big names of D1, were scum, and I was a huge target) and N3 kill is honestly anyone's guess. I'm not the only player contributing and seen as town though, like I said before, so why are you focusing on me?

"I said it was a conspiracy theory because that's what it could be seen as. Right now it seems I'm the only one who thinks you're scum, so when someone comes forward and claims to have evidence that you are town, I immediately dismiss it and assume he is also scum and trying to save you."

It is a conspiracy theory. See: "an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons.". Wait, what? Yes, TWO or more persons. Let me tell you a little theory comprised of different snippits from PMJ's post:



PMJ, I think that you are in fact scum alongside Crimson. Something you said really sparked this idea for me:
"Wrong. The scum have had all night to discuss a course of action for today."
True. You did have all night. Maybe this was all a plan? "Oh, but I was pushing for a Crimson lynch earlier! Yeah? Well: "At this point I'd rather lynch you than him, but like I said, I would be totally cool with a Crimson lynch.". Not any more! You now got off the hypothetical Crimson wagon and onto me, with no reasoning whatsoever. You also kindly disposed of any arguments about an issue with scum numbers, and you're totally right about that. Your total refusal to get off my back heavily implies that this is in fact some kind of plan, since it makes no sense for a townie to be so upfront and adamant over their suspicions with so little evidence to back it up. Reinforce pointed out that Crimson posted it very quickly, which could be to give you more time to execute your plan. You were inactive previously, but have made a considerably large amount of posts today, or at the very least a large amount of content. Furthermore, you said something yesterday. You said that "you don't like looking for new lynches when there are previous suspects who need to be looked at", or something along those lines. Well, what are you doing here? We should be lynching Meaty right now, but you are trying to take focus off of him. I pointed this out before and you deigned to really even mention Meaty, which once AGAIN shows that you are trying to take all attention off of him. Why? He is your scum buddy, and you want to avert attention from him. It's really quite simple. Currently I think that you being scum alongside Meaty is actually pretty likely, and now I'm pretty interestied in considering Crimson also being a part of that team. Right now I just want you lynched so that Meaty at least has a chance to claim etc., and once both of you are gone and if the game isn't over, I think Crimson is definitely worth a look at.

So everyone! Vote PMJ today for a free cookie!

@Chaos, I had a lot to lose. I had a fairly cemented town position. Usually it would be a bit low risk high reward, but given the context and situation it was very high risk low reward... so it doesn't make sense.

Sorry in advance to everyone for this huge-ass post. If you don't have time to read all of it, PLEASE just read the longest paragraph (two paragraphs above this one) because it has the bulk of my case against PMJ in it.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

You've been viewing the thread for 25 minutes, so expecting a nice detailed answer from you soon! ;p

 

[Reinforce]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

I'm not sure what others think but for me, what I think you're wrong about is the idea that Celever needed to be saved/cleared, and it's tied to Crimson's post.

To put it simply:

1) Like many people said... And also in your replies to Machamp the Champion and me, you yourself admitted that there was no need to clear Celever because suspicion on him was dying.

2) According to you, Crimson made his post (and at that exact time he did so) in order to clear Celever.

Looks to me like you're contradicting yourself.

And I've already stated why I believe Crimson's post at the start of the day wasn't a wolf attempting to clear his partner Celever. My emphasis is on the timing of Crimson's post. Even if they had all night to discuss their course of action, which could have included moving suspicion away from Celever if he were one of them, the timing of Crimson's post gives no indication that he had such an intention. Check the first couple of posts before Crimson's and tell me if there was ANYTHING there that hinted Celever needed clearing at that exact time Crimson posted. Because your argument for connecting Crimson to Celever rests on that.

Furthermore... Now you claim in the above post that, aside from clearing Celever, Crimson's post was also done to solidify Celever as town.

...

You want to know why you're coming off as desperate? It's that. You've yet to realize that you're basically crafting an overly convoluted and complicated reason/scenario to explain Crimson's post. Several people, as have I, have pointed out the unlikeliness of it. You admit that Celever had no need to be cleared, yet you claim that Crimson's post was done for that purpose. Despite how contradictory your claim is, you still insist on it. That's an example of desperation right there because... Generally, we have logical discussion to decide on who to lynch. Since you don't seem to care for the logic of your argument, that means you're only interested in the prospect of the lynch. You're moving up rather quickly in my suspicion list.

I'm not saying you could be wrong about Celever being a wolf. It's just that your logic and the reason/scenario you're currently using to show he is one isn't convincing me at all (And I'm not the only one, it looks like).

It was dying until I brought it back to life.

Well, here's a counter-possibility: What if you're a wolf who simply couldn't let the townie who had lingering suspicion on him slip out of the spotlight? Or meh, there must be a complicated explanation for this, let's think of it.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

You'll get one once I start dissecting your essay. Just be patient.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

...and Reinforce's.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

Oh, and I used Professor on Celever to see what he was into...

I got "Activity Check". Nothing we didn't knew already. :/

OH WOW

Just read back and noticed this at the start of the day. PMJ, are you really saying that all of Luis, Crimson and I are scum or are you FINALLY going to give this useless argument up?

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

Eron you are viewing the thread. What are your thoughts on PMJ and I guess the day in general? I'm going to be harsher on inactives now; it's Day 4 and a third of the game is dead. You really have no excuse at this point.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

Sorry for triple post, but Eron is no longer viewing the thread...

...however Wailord_2 is! You've had some helpful input in the past -- care to share your thoughts on the current situation?

 

[Eron]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

I don't know what to think on PMJ, I'm doing other stuff, I will read those long posts later.
And the day in general....
It's been a slow day or I think so..
Well, I guess a lynch on PMJ is better than on Meaty as meaty is unactive he will be modkilled (right?).

 

[Luispipe8]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

Oh, and I used Professor on Celever to see what he was into...

I got "Activity Check". Nothing we didn't knew already. :/

OH WOW

Just read back and noticed this at the start of the day. PMJ, are you really saying that all of Luis, Crimson and I are scum or are you FINALLY going to give this useless argument up?

 

[Luispipe8]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

Crappy phone. Dx To go with my post:
"I was actually wondering why I wasn't thrown into the whole Celever bus yet, I guess it's because nobody saw that post.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

Crappy phone. Dx To go with my post:
"I was actually wondering why I wasn't thrown into the whole Celever bus yet, I guess it's because nobody saw that post.

Because 3 people being in on this is too unbelievable and it is very unlikely that both Crimson and yourself should initiate the plan so early on at the start of the day with no indication etc. so PMJ decided to omit it from his little gambit.

PMJ, give it up...

 

[Ice Espeon]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

That vote count thing was either Meaty's role or an external factor. I haven't voted much because I didn't read the thread during the edit-gate period and I wasn't sure about voting for SF. bbninjas why are you not applying the same pressure (re:vote weight) to Meaty?

##Vote: Luispipe8

Voting for Luis because he is confirmed town and no one else will vote for him.

I think bbninjas is either Terrakion or Virizion. I've had a hunch from D1 that bbninjas was in a group with Drohn and since Drohn's death revealed that indeed he was in a group I suspect that bbninjas is a member of that group.

 

[Ice Espeon]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

I'll read the PMJ vs. Celever stuff after I watch Doctor Who :3