Finished Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [AND THE WINNERS ARE...]

[Luispipe8]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

That vote count thing was either Meaty's role or an external factor. I haven't voted much because I didn't read the thread during the edit-gate period and I wasn't sure about voting for SF. bbninjas why are you not applying the same pressure (re:vote weight) to Meaty?

##Vote: Luispipe8

Voting for Luis because he is confirmed town and no one else will vote for him.

I think bbninjas is either Terrakion or Virizion. I've had a hunch from D1 that bbninjas was in a group with Drohn and since Drohn's death revealed that indeed he was in a group I suspect that bbninjas is a member of that group.

OMGUS!!! D:<

##UNVOTE: Meaty
##VOTE: Ice Espeon
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But on a serious note:
##UNVOTE: Ice Espeon
##VOTE: PMJ

His reasoning is just too flawed, I feel better lynching him than Meaty.

 

[One Approved]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

I think PMJ's arguments do have some merit. Now, I might disagree with some of his points (I do also find it unlikely that Crimson would put himself on the line for Celever if the two of them were the very last of the scum) but some of his points are very valid. Such as this one right here.

Where do I even begin...

When inactive players are being given priority over players who are being active, contributing, and scumhunting, it means one of three things:

1. The scum team is dumb as balls
2. The scum team has a seer who is just happening to hit people with great roles and convincing his teammates to kill everyone he inspects
3. The players who are being active, contributing, and scumhunting are scum

From my past experience in werewolf, this is EXTREMELY ACCURATE. The scum team never goes after the inactive players, it's the most counter-productive thing they can do. Taking out the active players would cause less discussion, less information to be thrown around, thus protecting them more.

I must disagree with this. It could be for a huge number of reasons, really. Like I said before, I'm beginning to think that TheGuy's kill was just a revenge kill. N1 kill was fairly random (Camo and KoN, two of the big names of D1, were scum, and I was a huge target) and N3 kill is honestly anyone's guess. I'm not the only player contributing and seen as town though, like I said before, so why are you focusing on me?

As somebody who's played as scum multiple times, as well as *the* scum in WW13, "revenge kills" just for the purpose of getting a revenge kill aren't a thing. Ever. There's no reason for them. Random kills aren't a thing ever, with a team that has access to each other and the ability to communicate outside of the thread, kills ALWAYS have a purpose. If killing off the inactives is the wolves' strategy, it usually means the wolves feel so comfortable during the day phase that nobody's going to kill them. Essentially, they're saying "Let's kill off the inactive townies that the active ones aren't going to lynch, so we get 2 townies at once, and watch the town eat themselves."

Why then, would they feel so comfortable? The discussion we've had over the past few days has clearly gone the exact way the wolves want it to - they don't feel threatened enough to kill off our active members. As PMJ pointed out, this does usually mean that there is at least one wolf among the active discussion, being sure to drive it in the direction they want it to go. It doesn't have to specifically be the leader of everything (in this case, celever) but generally you've got at least one somebody who's really active in the mix of discussion.

Let me first throw out that I do ****not**** suspect any of these people specifically, I'm just trying to make an example of what I mean. People like reinforce, Machamp, Eron, bbninjas, etc. They're an extremely active part of the discussion, appearing to contribute as much as possible, but in reality, one of them would be just sitting in the back saying "yes, lynch this dude, we want him dead." Again, I do not suspect any of the people I listed off specifically, I'm just trying to give an example.

tl;dr:
~I don't think Crimson and Celever are the last 2 scum
~I think 1 of the active contributors to the discussion is a scum, maybe Celever, but probably not
~I think this because the wolves killing inactives mean they feel safe letting us have discussion (assuming of course, the wolf team isn't just dumb as balls. I don't think they are.)

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

PMJ, your theory is totally baseless but has many aspects to it which point to YOU being scum as opposed to either Crimson or I.

Please explain.

He was already scummy yesterday (especially the way he hammered

Hammering is not a scum tell. There will be a hammer on every lynch. You actually hammered Jeremy on day one. Get better arguments.

To answer some more specific things on your post:
"How have I acted in a desperate manner? Is everyone in this game seriously thinking I'm wrong about Celever and my case has no merits at all?"

I think that that's about right. bbninjas clearly thinks you have no merit with this case looking at his posts,

bbninjas is not only new to WW, but to this site as well, and he has no idea what he's doing or what the meta here is like. He's trying to get information. That's all he's been doing this whole game.

What you are saying is POSSIBLE, but you have provided absolutely no evidence as to whether it has happened or not here. Whereas there is reasonable evidence dictating that it is town on town -- mainly the fact that I was seen as town in the first place.

There is so much wrong with these sentences that I had to take like a five minute break before I started rebutting it because it was just... ugh.

1. Evidence. Do you mean the evidence that I have for my case that you are scum, which I already posted? You are the evidence. Your behavior this whole game, your contributions, all of it combined with the fact that the scum is wasting their time randomly picking people to kill instead of taking out the guy seen as the town's strongest link makes me think you are 100% scum. That is my whole argument. I can't give you evidence to prove something "happened" because it's what has not yet happened that is giving me pause. If you flip town I will be beyond shocked, and completely disappointed in this scum team.

2. Town on town. You're inventing facts where there are none. We have no idea if Crimson is telling the truth about his role. You being town is not a fact. Crimson being town is not a fact. People thinking you're town is a fact, but that doesn't make you town. It just means people trust you. It means that, if you're scum, you've done a great job of convincing everyone you are town.

"If the scum are getting crushed, why are they wasting their time killing off inactive players instead of people like Celever who are in a position to lead?"

I don't know, OK? The fact that you keep on repeating this question like you are expecting some kind of answer is actually quite irritating. The only person who knows why the kills have been targeted at who they have been are the scum. Honestly TheGuy seems like a revenge kill to me (because he really messed up their plan by saying he targeted Camo and got the Gooey ability as his result) and who knows about grant and Lenny...

You implied there were many theories about why the scum were getting killed. I listed two. I'll accept revenge kill as a third since that happens a lot. Other than a random pick, what else is there?

Saying that their being killed is a reason why I am scum is also very stupid, though.

It's not so stupid when you consider that you have been more vocal than either of those guys.

At the end of D2 I inflicted suspicion onto you, but a lot of people equally stated that you are probably town.

I will give you benefit of the doubt and assume you were talking about D3, but I couldn't really find much stuff to support your statement there either. It's quite difficult to do things when you are being pressured left and right to post.

Why weren't you killed? Same for bbninjas and MtC -- they are pretty much soft town tbh, and they aren't dead. bbninjas is also quite active, and MtC has a lot of content; why are you focusing on me?

YOU'RE ALL SCUM I noticed you first.

Why wasn't I killed? That's actually a very good question, and I don't have an answer for you because I have no idea what this scum team is thinking.

You have admitted many times that I was already seen as soft town. If I am in a position to lead and having a rank of soft town your proposed plan seems very high risk low reward to me, as I would gain a small amount of power over the town (as I already have a pretty considerable amount in that I am not at all a suspect right now and this game is pretty much set in stone thanks to Drohn somehow) but I would lose a lot if I were figured out. That's my issue -- you are saying that this is a fantastic plan because you fell for it once, but I really can't see any real merit in it, and I definitely don't think it is as low risk high reward as you make it out to be...

You are grossly underestimating the power of being cleaned. In a game where you can't implicitly trust anyone, having someone who you can put your faith in is huge. When confirmed townies speak, people listen because they know the confirmed is hunting in good faith. We don't have that with you. No matter how town-like you seem, until you are hard confirmed as town you are just another guy asking for trust.

""Yes, I could be scum, but since more people think I'm town, you should just assume I'm town.""

No, but consider why that is. You are the only vocal person who thinks I'm not town

That doesn't mean I'm wrong.

"If you're scum, then there is every reason for someone to lie to save you."

Except that this isn't exactly "saving" me. I know that I used that word, but I phrased it badly honestly. I was in no trouble and under no real suspicion, so the risk vs reward of the strategy given the situation is just too bad. I know that most of you guys know me pretty well, and as such know that that strategy is just too statistically flawed for it to be something that I would attempt.

It's not saving you per se, it's saving the scum's chances at winning.

"What I'm getting from this statement is that you think I should drop the case against you because active players feel you are town."

You took it out of context. I meant that there was no reason for a tactic like that to be used BECAUSE most/all of the active players felt that I was town.

Sounds like it was in context to me. You're saying that because most people think you are town because you've been helping, and my theory has no steam at all except from me, I should just stick with the idea that you're town because it's less complicated.

"At this point I'd rather lynch you than him, but like I said, I would be totally cool with a Crimson lynch."

Why? Because I am pointing out the flaws in your theory -- because I am being trusted over you? Frustration over the previous two points?[/quote] Why what? Why do I want you lynched? Because I think you're scum, duh. Why would I want crimson lynched? Same reason, though lynching him is less desired until I find out what your alignment is.

"He soft claimed already and I haven't actually voted for him. Just throwing my ideas out there."

Ok woah woah woah hold up. "Just throwing my ideas out there"? You are tuneling the both of us -- in no way is that "just" trying to get your point across. You literally cried "LYNCH CRIMSON" earlier and you are "just throwing your ideas out there"? This is scum trying to look like they aren't fully tuneling or pushing this lynch, I'm sure of it.

Yes, I am throwing my ideas out there. How else am I supposed to get people to agree with me except to push lynches I believe in? :|

"When inactive players are being given priority over players who are being active, contributing, and scumhunting, it means one of three things:

...

I must disagree with this. It could be for a huge number of reasons, really.

Name them. Name three more. If there are so many reasons, name some.


Okay I'm done with quoting tiny pieces, this is taking way too long.

PMJ, I think that you are in fact scum alongside Crimson. Something you said really sparked this idea for me:
"Wrong. The scum have had all night to discuss a course of action for today."
True. You did have all night. Maybe this was all a plan? "Oh, but I was pushing for a Crimson lynch earlier! Yeah? Well: "At this point I'd rather lynch you than him, but like I said, I would be totally cool with a Crimson lynch.". Not any more! You now got off the hypothetical Crimson wagon and onto me, with no reasoning whatsoever. You also kindly disposed of any arguments about an issue with scum numbers, and you're totally right about that. Your total refusal to get off my back heavily implies that this is in fact some kind of plan, since it makes no sense for a townie to be so upfront and adamant over their suspicions with so little evidence to back it up. Reinforce pointed out that Crimson posted it very quickly, which could be to give you more time to execute your plan. You were inactive previously, but have made a considerably large amount of posts today, or at the very least a large amount of content. Furthermore, you said something yesterday. You said that "you don't like looking for new lynches when there are previous suspects who need to be looked at", or something along those lines. Well, what are you doing here? We should be lynching Meaty right now, but you are trying to take focus off of him. I pointed this out before and you deigned to really even mention Meaty, which once AGAIN shows that you are trying to take all attention off of him. Why? He is your scum buddy, and you want to avert attention from him. It's really quite simple. Currently I think that you being scum alongside Meaty is actually pretty likely, and now I'm pretty interestied in considering Crimson also being a part of that team. Right now I just want you lynched so that Meaty at least has a chance to claim etc., and once both of you are gone and if the game isn't over, I think Crimson is definitely worth a look at.

It's like you don't even read my posts. The sentence you quoted literally states I want you lynched more than Crimson. However, I also think Crimson could be scum, so if people were willing to go for him instead of you I would be okay with it - but I'd rather see you lynched than him. I tunnel and I will openly admit it. At the risk of sounding like SF, that's how I play.

Posting more is never scummy so don't suggest it is.

When I suggested you should be lynched, you explained you were suspected early on (and pointed out TheGuy did too), but then asked me to pick someone else and tell you why they were scummy. You weren't interested in hearing my case then? I sure would have. You were acting like we had nothing to go on and it was imperative that I share opinions on other players instead of entertaining why I thought you, of all people, were scum.

Regarding Luis's investigation: That doesn't prove anything except you have an ability called Activity Check. There's nothing saying you don't have two abilities and Luis just flipped heads instead of tails, so to speak, with his ability. SF left out parts of his role; no reason why you couldn't do the same.

I'll get started on the other posts, I just want to get this out.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

Another argument for why PMJ is scum!

"~I think 1 of the active contributors to the discussion is a scum, maybe Celever, but probably not"

PMJ is an active contributor to the discussion.

I also have another theory as to why I might not be dead: Yesterday I said to PMJ that I would continue to go after him today. You know why I announced my pressure -- something I generally consider an awful idea? I was curious about what would happen. If PMJ is scum, killing me last night would be very suspicious if anyone looks back at my D3 to see if anything stands out as a reason to kill me, since I share my opinions and reads all the time, and PMJ was my biggest one. If PMJ is town, it seems like a perfect opportunity for the scum to try and take out two birds with one stone, framing and accusing PMJ of killing me so that he wouldn't have to defend himself or be as big a target. But guess what? That didn't happen, and instead I was kept alive. The most logical thing to take from that is that PMJ is mafia and couldn't risk offing me.

Of course, it could also be that I'm completely barking up the wrong tree with PMJ and the remaining mafia felt comfortable enough where they are. Or it could be that PMJ wanted to continue his plan he came up with yeterday -- where he was talking about it being suspicious that I wasn't yet NK'd? There were only 2 NKs at the time, and I was a large suspect through both of them, so like I said it was very rushed and seemed premeditated at the time. Now there is another NK and it only makes sense for me to have died in it. But I called PMJ out on the plan of basically "setting up" my kill, so he couldn't do it, and instead went with his backup of pushing me for not being dead. Why not bbninjas, MtC or Reinforce? Why are you focusing on me? PMJ, I've figured you out -- give it up!

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

I'm not sure what others think but for me, what I think you're wrong about is the idea that Celever needed to be saved/cleared, and it's tied to Crimson's post.

To put it simply:

1) Like many people said... And also in your replies to Machamp the Champion and me, you yourself admitted that there was no need to clear Celever because suspicion on him was dying.

Er... can you quote where I said that? I'll address the rest of that later.

And I've already stated why I believe Crimson's post at the start of the day wasn't a wolf attempting to clear his partner Celever. My emphasis is on the timing of Crimson's post. Even if they had all night to discuss their course of action, which could have included moving suspicion away from Celever if he were one of them, the timing of Crimson's post gives no indication that he had such an intention. Check the first couple of posts before Crimson's and tell me if there was ANYTHING there that hinted Celever needed clearing at that exact time Crimson posted. Because your argument for connecting Crimson to Celever rests on that.

Celever would just have to instruct Crimson to make a post saying he was inspected and cleaned at the start of the day. Think of it as an insurance policy. Assume Celever is scum. He looks town and right now the only who wants him lynched is me. What better way to convince me of his innocence than by having someone unrelated come out and back him up? Everyone else already thinks he's town so it's not to save him from dying, it's to save his position in the town because he has a very strong position right now. Obviously if he were outed as scum then, well, there goes that.

If it had been TT or Luis backing Celever up then this would not even be an issue. But when some random guy whose alignment I don't know comes out unprovoked and vouches for my #1 suspect then of course I'm going to suspect him, too.

I'm not saying you could be wrong about Celever being a wolf. It's just that your logic and the reason/scenario you're currently using to show he is one isn't convincing me at all (And I'm not the only one, it looks like).

If Crimson had never posted I would still think Celever was scum. The only difference is that now I think Crimson is his partner in crime.

I also have another theory as to why I might not be dead: Yesterday I said to PMJ that I would continue to go after him today. You know why I announced my pressure -- something I generally consider an awful idea? I was curious about what would happen. If PMJ is scum, killing me last night would be very suspicious if anyone looks back at my D3 to see if anything stands out as a reason to kill me, since I share my opinions and reads all the time, and PMJ was my biggest one. If PMJ is town, it seems like a perfect opportunity for the scum to try and take out two birds with one stone, framing and accusing PMJ of killing me so that he wouldn't have to defend himself or be as big a target. But guess what? That didn't happen, and instead I was kept alive. The most logical thing to take from that is that PMJ is mafia and couldn't risk offing me.

You cannot equate this scum team with the most logical course of action because their plays have been questionable all game long. Not once have they made "the most logical course of action".

Of course, it could also be that I'm completely barking up the wrong tree with PMJ and the remaining mafia felt comfortable enough where they are. Or it could be that PMJ wanted to continue his plan he came up with yeterday -- where he was talking about it being suspicious that I wasn't yet NK'd? There were only 2 NKs at the time, and I was a large suspect through both of them, so like I said it was very rushed and seemed premeditated at the time. Now there is another NK and it only makes sense for me to have died in it. But I called PMJ out on the plan of basically "setting up" my kill, so he couldn't do it, and instead went with his backup of pushing me for not being dead. Why not bbninjas, MtC or Reinforce? Why are you focusing on me? PMJ, I've figured you out -- give it up!

Scum team. Horrible plays. I've said this before. I also mentioned why not any of those guys except reinforce in my last post.

Anyone who has ever been on a scum team with me knows that when I'm scum, I lead, and there is no way I would let these horseshit kills go through.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

"Hammering is not a scum tell. There will be a hammer on every lynch. You actually hammered Jeremy on day one. Get better arguments.2

Read again. I said "the WAY he hammered". It just seemed really out of character for you...

"bbninjas is not only new to WW, but to this site as well, and he has no idea what he's doing or what the meta here is like. He's trying to get information. That's all he's been doing this whole game."

So what? You can't disregard his opinions and reads altogether! He doesn't agree with you, not because you're new, but because your arguments are flawed. Seriously, if you want I can say that Reinforce also fully disagrees with you -- I even pointed out that MtC pretty much fully disagrees with your theories too, but that seems to have been lost in your post! He was just the most active and obvious person, so I used him as an example. Personally I think the opinion and reads of every player should be respected and considered, no matter what their experience levels are, and I have found him to be a fairly trusted member of the town thus far.

"You are the evidence."

If this is your argument it is REALLY flawed. I provided a theory in the above post about why I am still alive. In fact, I usually don't do this, but I am so confident in your lynch I am willing to pull a "fudge TIGER!!" right now to get you lynched (it is probably an unfamiliar term to you since they are very uncommon but probably one of the highest risk highest reward strategies you can find, so I will provide a definition. It is where a player purposefully gets themselves modkilled in order to nail a member they think is scum. I performed this strategy in my first ever mafia game by breaking a silence role that got stuck on me and it led to two mafia players getting lynched, one of which was totally owning the town along the same vein that I think you think I am trying to do and the other a well-respected townie as well, which is how I learned the term. They really work, and if this lynch starts to lose steam I WILL do it -- I am that certain. The idea is that I become confotown (even though I really should be already...) so you know that my reads are from a definite townie.). I will have to ask Teal how much me doing it would bother him though. It is a legitimate strategy, but most games don't have any modkills, and as this one has already had two of them and I know how much work goes into these games I don't want it to be ruined by too many modkills :/

"You are grossly underestimating the power of being cleaned. In a game where you can't implicitly trust anyone, having someone who you can put your faith in is huge. When confirmed townies speak, people listen because they know the confirmed is hunting in good faith. We don't have that with you. No matter how town-like you seem, until you are hard confirmed as town you are just another guy asking for trust."

I understand this, but people also trust their towniest reads. Werewolf is a game of data management primarily, as well as debating and arguments, but assumptions are a huge part of it, and you have to decide carefully whether something is worth pursuing for the time being or not. After one or two successful lynches, my standing as town leader should definitely be called into question -- that is a fact in and of itself. I'm sorry that the strategy has worked on you before, but this is overly cautious and it just isn't a good way to approach a situation like this honestly. Caution in werewolf is good, but not this extent.

"That doesn't mean I'm wrong."

You literally cut my sentence in half there. THERE IS A REASON WHY I AM NOT A SUSPECT NOW! I have claimed, and it is a believable yet fairly useless claim. I pushed SF pretty hard yesterday, while also having a lot of caution at the time (it is a good thing, but not to the extent you are doing, like I have said a few times. Maybe one of these times it will hit home) and I have contributed. You even accepted that I am soft town! Contribution is not a reason to lynch someone -- even contribution without death, which is basically what your argument is. In fact, you even said that "Posting more is never scummy so don't suggest it is.".



I am done with this argument for now because there is no sense in it. What you are saying doesn't add up and you have made countless COUNTLESS contradictions in this argument which I honestly cbf to compile into one big list. You are adamant and stubborn in this lynch no matter how little logic it possesses, and it is probably because you are a scum out of water and it is too late to backpedal. Vote for PMJ today!

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

PMJ, it is very much possible that you are letting these crappy kills happen as a way to disassociate yourself with the kills. More likely than your argument .___.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

@Teal Can we have a vote count? I can't remember who I voted for... ._.

In those pages of information someone asked my why I wasn't trying to get Meaty lynched. A few reasons: Only a few people actually listen to me... (thanks Camo ); I'm not experienced in leading campaigns (hehe); and most people are focusing on PMJ.

PMJ, I agree with Celever and whoever else, who agreed that The Guy was probably revenge killed. Do remember (or try not to forget) that The Guy possibly tried to hide something when it was pointed out he was gooey, which could have hinted he had an fairly good role (which I think it was).

On a side note, has AtA and Wailord posted this day? I feel like lynching them because they are not contributing... *sigh*

And PMJ, I'm allowed to gather information. In case you wondered, information allows you to make good and solid accusations, as well as contribute to the game. And it gives me something to do...
Any other questions just tell me (I CANNOT remember all the questions in those 3000 words posts)!

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

I'm sure I posted this a while ago, but it's entirely possible that scum are killing inactives to increase the scum:town ratio in the active discussion and thus sway the lynches on to other townies due to their massive impact in the discussion.
It sorta seems like what PMJ is doing, tbh. Scum could be killing off inactives, while PMJ pushes to lynch actives. (I am understanding it as PMJ wants CF or Celever gone, right? CF is semi-active, Celever is the most active person here.)
Though I did just wake up and might not be the strongest statement (and I might not have posted it before, I dunno), but still. It's what's running through my mind. PMJ is getting real sus.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

That is a horrible theory.

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

Given how scum has been during this game, it wouldn't surprise me. Remember that big slip-up that put a bunch of scum on Drohn's suspect list? That happened.

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

On a side note, has AtA and Wailord posted this day? I feel like lynching them because they are not contributing.

Don't contribute until you've actually read the posts please.
In fact I already have a vote Once for the day.

Accusing me and not reading up. Meh scummy
##Unvote: Meaty
##Vote:Bbninjas

My bad that I run cross country.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

@AtA So very sorry...
@PMJ You are finding nearly every theory silly... Just like Camo did with all of my theories; Camo is most likely scum.

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

@AtA So very sorry...
@PMJ You are finding nearly every theory silly... Just like Camo did with all of my theories; Camo is most likely scum.

I'm not unvoting until I find a better lynch
All lynches (cept meaty) seem bad rn. I'm with PMJ and honestly would rather lunch you until Meaty has posted

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

@AtA So very sorry...
@PMJ You are finding nearly every theory silly... Just like Camo did with all of my theories; Camo is most likely scum.

I'm not unvoting until I find a better lynch
All lynches (cept meaty) seem bad rn. I'm with PMJ and honestly would rather lunch you until Meaty has posted

Fine with me.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

That is a horrible theory.

Still better than yours...

 

[Luispipe8]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

@AtA So very sorry...
@PMJ You are finding nearly every theory silly... Just like Camo did with all of my theories; Camo is most likely scum.

You know, Camo's been dead for a couple of days, remember? You REALLY need to read the Thread completely instead of briefly skimming.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

@AtA So very sorry...
@PMJ You are finding nearly every theory silly... Just like Camo did with all of my theories; Camo is most likely scum.

You know, Camo's been dead for a couple of days, remember? You REALLY need to read the Thread completely instead of briefly skimming.

Wait, what? I know that Camo's dead. Let me rephrase that.

PMJ is find most theories silly, just like Camo did to mine on Day 1 and 2, when he was ALIVE.-

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

Haha it autocorrects my lynch to lunch

@someone
Can someone sum up PMJs theory
It was long and confuzzling

 

[One Approved]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

"~I think 1 of the active contributors to the discussion is a scum, maybe Celever, but probably not"

PMJ is an active contributor to the discussion.

Yeah, but PMJ's been actively pushing AGAINST everything the town is pushing for, which is completely against everything in my post, if you actually read it. In my post, I mentioned that the scum feels comfortable with the direction the town is headed in. PMJ is pushing in the complete opposite direction, and nobody is really following him. It's the complete opposite of everything I said in my post.