RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]
No hidden abilities, no nothing. That's it. Perhaps I was only given that ability since, if used correctly, it's incredibly powerful? It would've been an OHK if I guessed right. I wish I could say more to prove it, but that's just... it... C/P'ed directly from my inbox.
RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]
I'm only gonna do a plain vote count because the other vote count (with the unvotes and revotes) seems confusing to me >_>
Votees : voters
Meaty: Mr.Muffin, GM Draclord, Eron, (3)
PMJ: Celever, (1)
Luispipe8: Ice Espeon, (1)
bbninjas: AlexanderTheAwesome (1)
CrimsonFlame: bigfootaus, Blui, Luispipe8 (3)
Counts are for number of people voting. Dunno vote weights, not bothering with that.
RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]
Let me rephrase that
Since i'm still sleepyng because in just woke up, i still cant understand most of the things you guys said especially the long posts. I'll try to get back after i have my lunch.
RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]
Guys please don't lynch anyone until tomorrow morning (12 hrs from this post)
I have evidence I want to present but I cannot at this moment because I am on a phone
Please and Thank You
RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]
PMJ said:
Uh no, I should not be lynched if cf flips town. Just because I'm advocating his lynch does not make me scum if he isn't town.
If cf flips town then celever is clean and we can go back to our regularly scheduled bickering. If cf flips scum then I am supreme king of the world. I take PayPal.
This is just how I play. I tried to explain this to you guys in Reign of Terror so that you wouldn't target me at the start of every game. Now that it's happened twice (in a row!) I'm hoping you won't target me for my play style again.
(Yeah I claimed a bit earlier than I said but... I'm bored :3)
Also, on CF's role, I was once Machamp the Champion in one of the previous games where everyone was a member, and I had basically the same role; except I died if the target was town, and got temporary immunity if I was correct. (also mine was used in the day which makes little difference). So that role could be possible, but it's a slimmer chance since my ability then was better than this one imo. I'm not sure I actually believe him though, because there really isn't much to his role.
Ability: Flex
Once a game during any day you may ##FLEX: PLAYER in the game thread. If that player is aligned with the Super Mods, you will kill them and gain one day and one night's protection. If they are aligned with the Members, you will feel so bad about attacking them that you will kill yourself.
RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]
Luispipe8 said:
Pikachu
Alignment: Town
You are the star of Stage Town. Everybody loves you. Basically, Stage Town is just a huge stage for you!
Ability: Tonight’s Persona
You may only use one ability each night.
Ability: Rock Star
Use: once per game at night
You may PM me to activate this ability. Your full role will be revealed in the upcoming public night update.
Ability: Classical Beauty
Use: once per game at night
You may PM me a player name. You will get that player’s item name, if any.Used Already
Ability: Pop Idol
Use: once per game at night
You may PM me a player name. That player can not trigger any active or passive non-lethal abilities that night.
Ability: Professor
Use: once per game at night
You may PM me a player name. You will learn a random non-hidden or secret ability name of that player.
Ability: Pro Wrestler
Use: once per game at night
You may PM me to activate this ability. Your vote will count as 2 during the next day.
RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]
Everything that could be said on the Celever/PMJ matter has been, but I'm of the opinion that both parties are more likely town than wolves. At the beginning of this argument, PMJ was being pro-town by hammering it into our subconscious that there is always the possibility that Celever and Crimson are wolves. Since it happened in WW12 with DNA, he really doesn't want town to make the same mistake again. However, with how adamant he is about this lynch, it doesn't seem like a pro-town play anymore, and more just a false lead. I also do think that if PMJ was a wolf, he wouldn't be letting the people who have been killed, been killed. WIFOM is always a possibility, but I doubt it. I would rather lynch PMJ over C and/or C, but I think we should go after someone else today. Who, I don't know yet.
Another thing I don't like about PMJ is why he's pushing for Celever's lynch over Crimson's. There's literally no reason to. Crimson being scum and Celever not being scum is so much more likely than the opposite, and plus, Celever has an ability right now, while Crimson doesn't anymore. Celever's also a lot more active than Crimson. This almost seems like a silly attempt from PMJ to get Celever lynched just because he's active and has an ability. But he so easily could've been night killed by now, so this probably isn't the case.
I really don't like lynching Crimson right now. At some point, either him or Celever will be Seered/something similar, and we'll lynch both of them if they're scum. If no one Seers them, I would be fine with lynching one of them somewhere down the line. We're so far ahead that we can afford to leave them alive if they're scum. But I'm pretty certain they're not scum, so I really don't mind not lynching them to be honest.
One thing we should keep in mind is that Keeper of Night is still the one in charge of doing the kills. Just a good thing for you guys to keep in mind. Another random note about the wolves is I think there's probably 7 of them. Without Indies, I feel like 6 wolves wouldn't be enough. Maybe it is enough, since they have/had a second kill (Grant). I don't know, just throwing that out there.
bigfootaus said:
I'm sure I posted this a while ago, but it's entirely possible that scum are killing inactives to increase the scum:town ratio in the active discussion and thus sway the lynches on to other townies due to their massive impact in the discussion.
It sorta seems like what PMJ is doing, tbh. Scum could be killing off inactives, while PMJ pushes to lynch actives. (I am understanding it as PMJ wants)
Um... what? Wouldn't having more active townies decrease the scum:town ratio in the active discussion? Clearly, there's something I don't understand in that quote.
Lucario
Alignment: Town
You are a very sensitive youngster. Your fighting skills aren’t very honed yet, but you always give it your best shot!
Ability: Aura Sense
Use: once during the game at night
You may PM me a player name. If that player is Anti-Arceus-aligned, you will kill that player and die in battle.
Does Aura Sense seem like a really weird name for this ability to anyone else? The flavor doesn't mention anything about using the sensing of auras to kill the player. It just says they die in battle, which doesn't seem like something that would happen if Lucario simply sensed someone's aura. The sensitive youngster thing also seems a little weird, but it's so weird that I feel like no player would use that in this safe claim in a million years.
Ice Espeon said:
That vote count thing was either Meaty's role or an external factor. I haven't voted much because I didn't read the thread during the edit-gate period and I wasn't sure about voting for SF. bbninjas why are you not applying the same pressure (re:vote weight) to Meaty?
##Vote: Luispipe8
Voting for Luis because he is confirmed town and no one else will vote for him.
I think bbninjas is either Terrakion or Virizion. I've had a hunch from D1 that bbninjas was in a group with Drohn and since Drohn's death revealed that indeed he was in a group I suspect that bbninjas is a member of that group.
Do you mind contributing a little more? Like, who do you think are wolves? It's nice that you voted for Luis, though. I'm sure you're done watching Doctor Who by now, since you posted a few hours after you said that. Also you saying that about bb is anti-town, since it helps the wolves decide their kill, and doesn't help the town at all.
Reinforce said:
I'm sensing desperation from PMJ here.
Frankly, I think if Crimson was wolf trying to clear his wolf partner Celever, then putting themselves in the spotlight like this isn't helping their team, especially when three wolves are already down. Furthermore, suspicion on Celever was already dying since a day ago, it's not like he was set to be the main lynch suspect at the start of the day today. If I'm not mistaken, there was the idea to follow Drohn's ideas the other day and go for Meaty. There was no need to "clear" Celever today. Crimson didn't come off to me as defending Celever in his post either. In fact, Crimson posted his results almost immediately at the start of this day. If he did that when Celever was being interrogated and drilled by everyone, then yeah, we have reason to believe he posted his results "to clear Celever" a.k.a. defend him. But look when he posted it. In fact, his posting of his results and the timing of it would be contradictory to the cause you state that he's doing it for: it put the spotlight back on Celever when it was pretty much no longer there. There was nothing to prompt Crimson to clear or defend Celever at that time.
No one reacted badly to it too; it was pretty much understood that Crimson was just sharing his ability results (which is a normal thing), only that it had a side effect of somewhat clearing someone.
So that's why you look like you're forcing the spotlight on them and then painting suspicion on them, which in turn makes you look desperate. In the position we are in now, the only ones who would have reason to act desperate are the wolves, who are down in number. I was already suspicious of you yesterday when you pretty much hammered SF, and your actions right now is nowhere near overturning that opinion.
This post is pretty much repeating what I said earlier. I don't like it. And it seems like he's trying to make no enemies, which is wolf like.
Example:
Reinforce said:
I'm not saying you could be wrong about Celever being a wolf. It's just that your logic and the reason/scenario you're currently using to show he is one isn't convincing me at all (And I'm not the only one, it looks like).
Also, on CF's role, I was once Machamp the Champion in one of the previous games where everyone was a member, and I had basically the same role; except I died if the target was town, and got temporary immunity if I was correct. (also mine was used in the day which makes little difference). So that role could be possible, but it's a slimmer chance since my ability then was better than this one imo. I'm not sure I actually believe him though, because there really isn't much to his role.
Ability: Flex
Once a game during any day you may ##FLEX: PLAYER in the game thread. If that player is aligned with the Super Mods, you will kill them and gain one day and one night's protection. If they are aligned with the Members, you will feel so bad about attacking them that you will kill yourself.
To make it a little clearer, Members were Town, and Super Mods were wolves.
I think the role is powerful enough to be a real role in this game. Clearing a townie is a really good thing, and killing a scum member is strong enough that it's worth dying if the power works. The roles in this game also seem to be a little weaker than the ones in The Member's Revolt.
RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]
Also Crimson's role is definitely powerful, almost to the point of being OP. Trading lives with scum is the best play you could possibly get; clearing another player in a game with no indies is just stupidly good.
