Finished Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [AND THE WINNERS ARE...]
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RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 7: ends Monday 3rd]
Eron gets the species of town-aligned players sent to him at night. You're pretty much confirmed-town now.
If you know Machamp has something to say, surely you know what it is via your Sword Of Justice chat. So, you could tell us.
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Eron gets the species of town-aligned players sent to him at night. You're pretty much confirmed-town now.
If you know Machamp has something to say, surely you know what it is via your Sword Of Justice chat. So, you could tell us.
RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 7: ends Monday 3rd]
Lol don't care
If you don't want him to die post for him
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Lol don't care
If you don't want him to die post for him
RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 7: ends Monday 3rd]
i dont think its the right move to suddenly wagon on MTC without first letting him explain himself..
So im abstaining
i dont think its the right move to suddenly wagon on MTC without first letting him explain himself..
So im abstaining
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RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 7: ends Monday 3rd]
I failed to account for the possibility of mtc bussing meaty. Which is exactly what he did. Stay the course..
##vote: machamp the champion
I failed to account for the possibility of mtc bussing meaty. Which is exactly what he did. Stay the course..
##vote: machamp the champion
RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 7: ends Monday 3rd]
The following post is one I would've made yesterday if I had the time, with some minor edits to account for Meaty's flip: (bb, there have been some changes since the post I made in the QT.)
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I NEVER said Bigfoot's role was suspicious: I said the way he was ACTING was suspicious. And I already told you that Bigfoot's ability is NOT THE REASON I'M VOTING HIM.
What makes you think Bigfoot would actually have that ability if he was scum? It certainly wasn't from me, because I never said anything of the sort. If Bigfoot has that ability, and is scum, we lynch 1 scum by lynching him. We win. Even yesterday (and I should note that we didn't know there were 2 scum left at the time), lynching scum is almost always worth the life of a townie.
I NEVER SAID THAT WAS THE REASON I WAS VOTING FOR BIGFOOT! Oh my god, this is honestly starting to get frustrating. There's no chance in heaven that you made this post I'm quoting without seeing the one I made before it, because nothing you have said so far suggests that you have.
I have said absolutely none of the things PMJ says I have said in this quote. Also Meaty was a wolf, so yeah.
Pardon the OMGUS, but I honestly think PMJ is our best lynch. Everything he's saying is either totally false or hypocritical, and I believe he's been trying to direct attention away from his wolf buddies/himself by making cases based on next to no fact or reason for this whole game (first Celever, now me. Both of which are townies in my eyes). Suggesting more lynches make people consider them (regardless of how baseless they are), thus making them think about more possibilities, thus making the possibility of them guessing wrong higher. I don't think I said that part right, but I think you get the idea. He's probably trying way too hard to correct the mistake he made by bussing SF in Reign of Terror. I'm voting for him over Bigfoot today.
Contradictory? What!? When? If anything, PMJ has been contradictory, saying a few days ago that "Crimson claiming to have cleared Celever is a gambit that pays off for them in the end if they're scum so they're definitely both scum" then today is telling me "Bigfoot can't be a wolf because his ability encourages us to lynch him." Like... wat. There was no joke there, I honestly don't know what you're talking about.
I'm having such a hard time making sense of the 6 people who just voted for me. Almost all of you just bandwagoned on PMJ's argument without giving any reason, and the argument you're siding with has the most straight-up incorrect information I've ever seen in a Werewolf game that's lead to the target of the argument getting 6 votes. And the worst part is 0-1 of those people were town! How did this happen!? Everyone voting for me or considering to vote for me, please, I beg that you stop, look at PMJ's and my posts for a second, and make your case from scratch. And yes, this means EVERYONE. Don't assume I'm not talking to you. And no, PMJ, saying "I'm not saying my case again because it makes perfect sense and you're obviously a wolf" does not count, because that's 100% incorrect and you know it. There hasn't been a logical argument against me yet, and I'd very much like to see one. If there even is one.
Also, I didn't even think of the safety goggles protecting me from Bigfoot's ability. That does seem sort of suspicious when you mention it. I did pass these, of course, but I see no reason to say who I passed them to.
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And now, after the day has passed on Meaty flipped wolf, I STILL have 5 votes on me. This is just absurd. As you can tell, I was pretty steamed when I saw what happened yesterday, and now, reading today's posts and yesterday's post again, all that anger has come flooding back. I feel like I shouldn't get this angry over a WW game, but I think it's worth making the exception for this occasion. I want PMJ lynched today.
I'd like to point out that if Eron is the wolf, this result makes me seem much more suspicious.
Why are you being so aggressive towards him? Totally unnecessary. I wouldn't make a post on someones behalf, unless they wanted me to (I told bb not to post the post I made in the QT).
Stop being so confident. You're trying to get a good reaction out of me, I can tell.
And again, everyone remember what I said earlier:
As for me, I'm going to go beat up some people in Smash Bros. I need to blow off some steam.
The following post is one I would've made yesterday if I had the time, with some minor edits to account for Meaty's flip: (bb, there have been some changes since the post I made in the QT.)
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PMJ said:
I NEVER said Bigfoot's role was suspicious: I said the way he was ACTING was suspicious. And I already told you that Bigfoot's ability is NOT THE REASON I'M VOTING HIM.
PMJ said:
What makes you think Bigfoot would actually have that ability if he was scum? It certainly wasn't from me, because I never said anything of the sort. If Bigfoot has that ability, and is scum, we lynch 1 scum by lynching him. We win. Even yesterday (and I should note that we didn't know there were 2 scum left at the time), lynching scum is almost always worth the life of a townie.
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I NEVER SAID THAT WAS THE REASON I WAS VOTING FOR BIGFOOT! Oh my god, this is honestly starting to get frustrating. There's no chance in heaven that you made this post I'm quoting without seeing the one I made before it, because nothing you have said so far suggests that you have.
PMJ said:
I have said absolutely none of the things PMJ says I have said in this quote. Also Meaty was a wolf, so yeah.
Pardon the OMGUS, but I honestly think PMJ is our best lynch. Everything he's saying is either totally false or hypocritical, and I believe he's been trying to direct attention away from his wolf buddies/himself by making cases based on next to no fact or reason for this whole game (first Celever, now me. Both of which are townies in my eyes). Suggesting more lynches make people consider them (regardless of how baseless they are), thus making them think about more possibilities, thus making the possibility of them guessing wrong higher. I don't think I said that part right, but I think you get the idea. He's probably trying way too hard to correct the mistake he made by bussing SF in Reign of Terror. I'm voting for him over Bigfoot today.
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Contradictory? What!? When? If anything, PMJ has been contradictory, saying a few days ago that "Crimson claiming to have cleared Celever is a gambit that pays off for them in the end if they're scum so they're definitely both scum" then today is telling me "Bigfoot can't be a wolf because his ability encourages us to lynch him." Like... wat. There was no joke there, I honestly don't know what you're talking about.
I'm having such a hard time making sense of the 6 people who just voted for me. Almost all of you just bandwagoned on PMJ's argument without giving any reason, and the argument you're siding with has the most straight-up incorrect information I've ever seen in a Werewolf game that's lead to the target of the argument getting 6 votes. And the worst part is 0-1 of those people were town! How did this happen!? Everyone voting for me or considering to vote for me, please, I beg that you stop, look at PMJ's and my posts for a second, and make your case from scratch. And yes, this means EVERYONE. Don't assume I'm not talking to you. And no, PMJ, saying "I'm not saying my case again because it makes perfect sense and you're obviously a wolf" does not count, because that's 100% incorrect and you know it. There hasn't been a logical argument against me yet, and I'd very much like to see one. If there even is one.
Also, I didn't even think of the safety goggles protecting me from Bigfoot's ability. That does seem sort of suspicious when you mention it. I did pass these, of course, but I see no reason to say who I passed them to.
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And now, after the day has passed on Meaty flipped wolf, I STILL have 5 votes on me. This is just absurd. As you can tell, I was pretty steamed when I saw what happened yesterday, and now, reading today's posts and yesterday's post again, all that anger has come flooding back. I feel like I shouldn't get this angry over a WW game, but I think it's worth making the exception for this occasion. I want PMJ lynched today.
Eron said:
I'd like to point out that if Eron is the wolf, this result makes me seem much more suspicious.
AlexanderTheAwesome said:
Why are you being so aggressive towards him? Totally unnecessary. I wouldn't make a post on someones behalf, unless they wanted me to (I told bb not to post the post I made in the QT).
PMJ said:
Stop being so confident. You're trying to get a good reaction out of me, I can tell.
And again, everyone remember what I said earlier:
As for me, I'm going to go beat up some people in Smash Bros. I need to blow off some steam.
RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 7: ends Monday 3rd]
Thankyou for the post! Good idea, blow off some steam (who ya using?). I agree with most of this, except for Eron... although I see where you are coming from.
Here are PMJ's votes:
Jeremy (Later Vote)| N/A (Voted Cinesra)| SF (Last Vote) | Blui (First Vote) | Bigfoot (Only Vote) | MTC (Only Vote)
PMJ has seemed to bandawagon a few people - including helping killing Blui. Nearly everyone on there is a town, except for SF. PMJ has been constantly on a SoJ's back (MTC or myself), which adds up. Also, he voted for Bigfoot... who has been a constantly talked about, commented on, 'you need to look into him', voted for and framed by scum, so I wouldn't be surprised if PMJ is part of this as well. Therefore, my vote stays.
Machamp The Champion said:
Thankyou for the post! Good idea, blow off some steam (who ya using?). I agree with most of this, except for Eron... although I see where you are coming from.
Here are PMJ's votes:
Jeremy (Later Vote)| N/A (Voted Cinesra)| SF (Last Vote) | Blui (First Vote) | Bigfoot (Only Vote) | MTC (Only Vote)
PMJ has seemed to bandawagon a few people - including helping killing Blui. Nearly everyone on there is a town, except for SF. PMJ has been constantly on a SoJ's back (MTC or myself), which adds up. Also, he voted for Bigfoot... who has been a constantly talked about, commented on, 'you need to look into him', voted for and framed by scum, so I wouldn't be surprised if PMJ is part of this as well. Therefore, my vote stays.
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RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 7: ends Monday 3rd]
This is true, but that doesn't mean anything if you think he's telling the truth about his role.
Right, you didn't, but it's implied from your other posts. Like this quote is implying that you think he has it but isn't scum.
Town should never be punished for lynching scum. I don't think Teal is that much of a bastard mod to stoop that low. If bigfoot is scum and is honest about his role, I'm going to write Teal a very strongly worded letter.
Also, trading a scum for a townie is always in town's best interest. Scum gains nothing by making this trade.
You find him suspicious for whatever reason (if not his claim), but you are trying to tell him who to kill after he dies. That means that you think he has his claimed role, and if you think he has his role, and it makes no sense at all to have that role if he's scum, then obviously you must think he's town. And you're trying to lynch him. I don't get what is so hard about this to get.
You don't have to say it explicitly because it's implied by your other posts. Also, I said that I failed to account for the fact that you easily could have bussed him with little consequence since you haven't been seen as scummy up until this point, and Meaty was basically dead anyway.
Leading wagons on people who eventually flip town does not make you scum. Also, scum are rarely lynched on facts. This is not a game of facts.
Get serious. You were scum right along with me in that game and you know damn well that me pushing SF's lynch was not a mistake so don't try to play that it was. If anything, bussing SF on day one was The Highest, Most Exalted, Genius, Top Tier Play of The Century(c) because after that day not one townie thought I was scum. If I hadn't gotten seered instantly, I could have done wonders for our team.
I said they were both scum if Celever was scum. He was unconfirmed, leading the town, and the scum were leaving him completely alone, which made no sense. I found it suspicious that Crimson would come out of nowhere and clean my #1 suspect. Celever was already seen as strong town and it would make sense as scum for Celever to try and quiet any dissent as quickly as possible, especially since at that point I was the only one trying to get him lynched. So naturally when Crimson said Celever was town, I thought it was a gambit by two scummies.
After Celever flipped town, I admitted that Crimson was also town and stopped going for him.
You give me too much credit. I don't really care what your reaction to my posts is. I'm confident because I still think you're scum. I had blinders on when I was making my case and left out one still valid possibility, that's all.
I'm going to cut you some slack since you're new and you're buddying up with your neighbor pal who you would hate to be scum, but your post is crap and I will explain to you why.
Like I said above, guessing wrong about who is scum is not a scumtell. It's actually more suspicious if people consistently guess right, because only the scum know who is and is not scum. As far as being on the case of the Swords of Justice, I only said that I think one of them is scum. I've said why before, but it was ages ago so I will reiterate it here: The Swords of Justice, canonically, are a team. They fought in a war together. There's no reason for them not to be all town; however, Teal went out of his way to say that this is not necessarily the case. It is possible for you all to be town, yes, but why would Teal purposely create that discord, especially since the Swords would never realistically fight on opposite sides? It doesn't make sense to me.
I don't believe I have seriously pushed for your lynch. That said, if MTC is lynched and flips town, I will push for your lynch next.
I voted for bigfoot when he was being what I thought was unnecessarily evasive in revealing his role. It was a pressure vote. Since he did, I've done nothing but come to his defense.
Machamp The Champion said:
This is true, but that doesn't mean anything if you think he's telling the truth about his role.
Machamp The Champion said:
Right, you didn't, but it's implied from your other posts. Like this quote is implying that you think he has it but isn't scum.
Machamp The Champion said:
Town should never be punished for lynching scum. I don't think Teal is that much of a bastard mod to stoop that low. If bigfoot is scum and is honest about his role, I'm going to write Teal a very strongly worded letter.
Also, trading a scum for a townie is always in town's best interest. Scum gains nothing by making this trade.
Machamp The Champion said:
You find him suspicious for whatever reason (if not his claim), but you are trying to tell him who to kill after he dies. That means that you think he has his claimed role, and if you think he has his role, and it makes no sense at all to have that role if he's scum, then obviously you must think he's town. And you're trying to lynch him. I don't get what is so hard about this to get.
Machamp The Champion said:
You don't have to say it explicitly because it's implied by your other posts. Also, I said that I failed to account for the fact that you easily could have bussed him with little consequence since you haven't been seen as scummy up until this point, and Meaty was basically dead anyway.
Machamp The Champion said:
Leading wagons on people who eventually flip town does not make you scum. Also, scum are rarely lynched on facts. This is not a game of facts.
Machamp The Champion said:
Get serious. You were scum right along with me in that game and you know damn well that me pushing SF's lynch was not a mistake so don't try to play that it was. If anything, bussing SF on day one was The Highest, Most Exalted, Genius, Top Tier Play of The Century(c) because after that day not one townie thought I was scum. If I hadn't gotten seered instantly, I could have done wonders for our team.
Machamp The Champion said:
I said they were both scum if Celever was scum. He was unconfirmed, leading the town, and the scum were leaving him completely alone, which made no sense. I found it suspicious that Crimson would come out of nowhere and clean my #1 suspect. Celever was already seen as strong town and it would make sense as scum for Celever to try and quiet any dissent as quickly as possible, especially since at that point I was the only one trying to get him lynched. So naturally when Crimson said Celever was town, I thought it was a gambit by two scummies.
After Celever flipped town, I admitted that Crimson was also town and stopped going for him.
Machamp The Champion said:
You give me too much credit. I don't really care what your reaction to my posts is. I'm confident because I still think you're scum. I had blinders on when I was making my case and left out one still valid possibility, that's all.
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I'm going to cut you some slack since you're new and you're buddying up with your neighbor pal who you would hate to be scum, but your post is crap and I will explain to you why.
Like I said above, guessing wrong about who is scum is not a scumtell. It's actually more suspicious if people consistently guess right, because only the scum know who is and is not scum. As far as being on the case of the Swords of Justice, I only said that I think one of them is scum. I've said why before, but it was ages ago so I will reiterate it here: The Swords of Justice, canonically, are a team. They fought in a war together. There's no reason for them not to be all town; however, Teal went out of his way to say that this is not necessarily the case. It is possible for you all to be town, yes, but why would Teal purposely create that discord, especially since the Swords would never realistically fight on opposite sides? It doesn't make sense to me.
I don't believe I have seriously pushed for your lynch. That said, if MTC is lynched and flips town, I will push for your lynch next.
I voted for bigfoot when he was being what I thought was unnecessarily evasive in revealing his role. It was a pressure vote. Since he did, I've done nothing but come to his defense.
RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 7: ends Monday 3rd]
In regards to the votes, have you noticed that you have recently gone off the town track to vote someone who is not the majority... or, earlier, either placed a lynching vote or a start-a-wagon vote?
I think we need to eventually lynch both MTC and PMJ, I personally go for PMJ due to the role I saw MTC post and the role I cannot remember PMJ posting. @@PRESSURE: PMJ Please post your role, or again if you have done so.
Anyway, if you indeed get me lynched/killed, and if I flip town (which I should), then either you are scum and Eron is town or you are completely oblivious to what Eron posted. Honestly, I completely believe Eron because if I'm scum then Eron is scum and that would not work (one left).
@Eron Can you please tell us the names of all of the confirmed town roles? Also, can we see a link or your actual role's ability so we can see the exact wording/effects of your ability
Yes I do hate the idea of MTC being scum due to all of things he has posted and such, but I have not eliminated the possibility. Personally, I think we should lynch you for a confirm, and then we will lynch MTC if you are town.PMJ said:
In regards to the votes, have you noticed that you have recently gone off the town track to vote someone who is not the majority... or, earlier, either placed a lynching vote or a start-a-wagon vote?
I think we need to eventually lynch both MTC and PMJ, I personally go for PMJ due to the role I saw MTC post and the role I cannot remember PMJ posting. @@PRESSURE: PMJ Please post your role, or again if you have done so.
Anyway, if you indeed get me lynched/killed, and if I flip town (which I should), then either you are scum and Eron is town or you are completely oblivious to what Eron posted. Honestly, I completely believe Eron because if I'm scum then Eron is scum and that would not work (one left).
@Eron Can you please tell us the names of all of the confirmed town roles? Also, can we see a link or your actual role's ability so we can see the exact wording/effects of your ability
RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 7: ends Monday 3rd]
Still keen for Machamp first, then PMJ during the next Day if Machamp flips town.
Sorry to poke you like this Machamp, but:
One wolf left, game nearing its end - PMJ hasn't changed how he's played throughout this game (not that I've noticed, at least), but you have over the past few Day phases. You seem desperate.
Yes, PMJ is kinda scummy with the bandwagoning but that just means we'll go after him if the next Day happens because you turned out to be town.
Your reasoning, regardless of what you posted, comes across and can be summed up from the previous Day's posts as "Bigfoot should kill a confirmed scum and if he doesn't want to then we know he's scum" - that's what I interpreted, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
Your posts in the previous day were made to manipulate, too. You wouldn't need to try manipulate town so much if your reasons had a decent chance of being worthwhile.
You were tunnelling me yesterday, deflecting any idea of voting Meaty by saying that I should just kill Meaty instead. Tunnelling doesn't seem like a townie's thing, in my eyes.
Also, this confuses me:
So my suspects for the next few days are:
Machamp - if he flips town then...
PMJ - if he flips town then...
bbninjas - honestly I think that there's scum in the SoJ - it's part of my suspicion on Machamp.
Still keen for Machamp first, then PMJ during the next Day if Machamp flips town.
Sorry to poke you like this Machamp, but:
One wolf left, game nearing its end - PMJ hasn't changed how he's played throughout this game (not that I've noticed, at least), but you have over the past few Day phases. You seem desperate.
Yes, PMJ is kinda scummy with the bandwagoning but that just means we'll go after him if the next Day happens because you turned out to be town.
Your reasoning, regardless of what you posted, comes across and can be summed up from the previous Day's posts as "Bigfoot should kill a confirmed scum and if he doesn't want to then we know he's scum" - that's what I interpreted, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
Your posts in the previous day were made to manipulate, too. You wouldn't need to try manipulate town so much if your reasons had a decent chance of being worthwhile.
You were tunnelling me yesterday, deflecting any idea of voting Meaty by saying that I should just kill Meaty instead. Tunnelling doesn't seem like a townie's thing, in my eyes.
Also, this confuses me:
If Eron is the wolf and is saying one SoJ is town, so what? I'm missing something here.Machamp The Champion said:
So my suspects for the next few days are:
Machamp - if he flips town then...
PMJ - if he flips town then...
bbninjas - honestly I think that there's scum in the SoJ - it's part of my suspicion on Machamp.
RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 7: ends Monday 3rd]
ugh....a link? It's 3AM... I will just post again my ability.
Ability: Dream
Each night you will receive the Pokémon species of a random town-aligned player.
List of confirmed people:
Alexander
TT but he's ded
bbninjas
CrimsonFlame (Is HE Lucario?)
rev3rsor
Squirtle Squad
iirc these are the people that are confirmed town.
ugh....a link? It's 3AM... I will just post again my ability.
Ability: Dream
Each night you will receive the Pokémon species of a random town-aligned player.
List of confirmed people:
Alexander
TT but he's ded
bbninjas
CrimsonFlame (Is HE Lucario?)
rev3rsor
Squirtle Squad
iirc these are the people that are confirmed town.
RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 7: ends Monday 3rd]
Too tired to reply to things (5:30am here), but I can say that all your reasons are still ridiculous to me.
This quote would've been helpful for making my last post.
Too tired to reply to things (5:30am here), but I can say that all your reasons are still ridiculous to me.
PMJ said:
This quote would've been helpful for making my last post.
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RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 7: ends Monday 3rd]
Sure, bbninjas, here you go:
To preempt those of you who would say "lynch him to prove it," I have previously been passed the Assault Vest which grants me immunity from the night kill once, but bars me from triggering any abilities, including passive ones. I've been holding it for a couple days, hoping to draw the attention of the scum in order to get cleared. That way I would not need to get lynched to be cleared (which would be sort of moot since I'd be dead anyway).
As further evidence my role is legit I direct you to this hint I dropped a while back:
Emphasis added.
Sure, bbninjas, here you go:
Teal said:
To preempt those of you who would say "lynch him to prove it," I have previously been passed the Assault Vest which grants me immunity from the night kill once, but bars me from triggering any abilities, including passive ones. I've been holding it for a couple days, hoping to draw the attention of the scum in order to get cleared. That way I would not need to get lynched to be cleared (which would be sort of moot since I'd be dead anyway).
As further evidence my role is legit I direct you to this hint I dropped a while back:
PMJ said:
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