Finished Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [AND THE WINNERS ARE...]

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Did we ever find out what KoN and Drohn's roles were?
 
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Mr.Muffin said:
Did we ever find out what KoN and Drohn's roles were?

In the fay update.. Drohn is cobalion who have a mason group i think and kon is the leader of the scum
 
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I guess that calls off my vote on BBninjas. He made his partnership with Drohn stupidly obvious from the beginning. Now I wonder who the 3rd member is?
 
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Mr.Muffin said:
I guess that calls off my vote on BBninjas. He made his partnership with Drohn stupidly obvious from the beginning. Now I wonder who the 3rd member is?

I still think that a member of the group is scum -- Drohn obviously isn't the scum, and I have a very strong town read on bbninjas. Maybe we should have bbninjas tell us the third member of the mason group and lynch him instead?
 
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Just a heads up I'll be away until the end of this current day due to a school camp. If Teal would like to give one of the subs access to my stuff feel free to, but this is just a warning that I'll be a bit inactive for the next while.
 
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Just to clear up the last of the doubts:
@bbninjas I'm playing on an iPad, and editing text is hard (excuse for being lazy). "Lucario" is bolded in my inbox, and the entire role is italicized, but the text commands didn't copy over with the actual text, and I overlooked it. Sorry about that :/

@MTC Aura Sense is just what I got. If I was trying to lie I probably would've tried just a LITTLE harder to come up with a better name, because I do admit that's a bit... off...

PMJ backing off so suddenly, when he was pushing this issue so hard... Anyone else just think that's REALLY strange? He seemed so certain 12 hours ago. Though, not certain enough to cast a vote against either one of us? You're playing very oddly, PMJ.
 
RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

Everyone sat around the campfire eagerly awaiting a response from Delibird after 12 long hours.
"Huehue now listen here all ya townies, I gotta secret to tell y'all. During the day I may be Delibird, but y'all don't know my undercover role of Delibirdman the undercover agent!" Delibird told to his fellow campfire mates.

Delibird
Alignment: Town
During the day, you work as a deliveryman for Pokézon. But during the night, you become Delibirdman, an undercover agent working for Santa Claus!

Ability: Naughty/Nice List
On night 1, you will be sent a list of six random alive player names. The alignment of at least one of those players is Anti-Arceus.
Delibird threw one wing around Celever and one wing around CrimsonFlame. "Ya see you both have your haters, and I have something to share with ya"
Delibird stared intently at Blui:
Teal said:
Blui
Celever
Chaos Jackal
CrimsonFlame
Lenny
r3versor

(sorted by username)

*everyone applauds AlexanderTheAwesome because of that beautiful story that he told*

(NOTE: Not full role reveal)
 
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Blui
Celever
Chaos Jackal
CrimsonFlame
Lenny
r3versor

Ok, well from my point of view, green = town, yellow = leaning town, and red = scummiest. I honestly didn't find any of the above players very scummy, but I fully trust Blui after our run ins earlier on in the game. Of course I could be wrong, but I feel confident in this one. Lenny's dead, so not him...

That leaves Crimson, Chaos and rev. I made it clear that Chaos has been a strong town read for me this whole game for some reason... but this new information has thrown that read into jeopardy for me. I also have a huge town read on Crimson; he handled his shoddy claim well and obviously I trust his results a lot. Unfortunately, that leaves rev... who isn't particularly scummy, but also not overtly town for me. In light of this new information, I think that rev is the best lynch option. I still don't like PMJ in the slightest, and Meaty leaving is just odd, but hopefully he'll be modkilled so we can focus on PMJ, or Chaos/Crimson if rev is town.
 
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Celever said:
Blui
Celever
Chaos Jackal
CrimsonFlame
Lenny
r3versor

Ok, well from my point of view, green = town, yellow = leaning town, and red = scummiest. I honestly didn't find any of the above players very scummy, but I fully trust Blui after our run ins earlier on in the game. Of course I could be wrong, but I feel confident in this one. Lenny's dead, so not him...

That leaves Crimson, Chaos and rev. I made it clear that Chaos has been a strong town read for me this whole game for some reason... but this new information has thrown that read into jeopardy for me. I also have a huge town read on Crimson; he handled his shoddy claim well and obviously I trust his results a lot. Unfortunately, that leaves rev... who isn't particularly scummy, but also not overtly town for me. In light of this new information, I think that rev is the best lynch option. I still don't like PMJ in the slightest, and Meaty leaving is just odd, but hopefully he'll be modkilled so we can focus on PMJ, or Chaos/Crimson if rev is town.
Here's my problem:
With this information it would be very easy for any scum to lead us into lynching every player other than the one (most likely) or two (not likely) scum on the list
Here's the deal we have to make:
Celever, are you willing to be lynched tomorrow if rev flips town?
I think that's what's best for the townies...

I honestly think that CF could be scum but hey; that's just me.
 
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Oh, I forgot to put this at the end of my last post, but bbninjas if anyone on that list is a member of your mason group PLEASE tell us, no matter what they say in the mason chat. It is very important information -- honestly! Even if it is Blui or someone I really trust; we will lynch them immediately.
 
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AlexanderTheAwesome said:
Celever said:
Blui
Celever
Chaos Jackal
CrimsonFlame
Lenny
r3versor

Ok, well from my point of view, green = town, yellow = leaning town, and red = scummiest. I honestly didn't find any of the above players very scummy, but I fully trust Blui after our run ins earlier on in the game. Of course I could be wrong, but I feel confident in this one. Lenny's dead, so not him...

That leaves Crimson, Chaos and rev. I made it clear that Chaos has been a strong town read for me this whole game for some reason... but this new information has thrown that read into jeopardy for me. I also have a huge town read on Crimson; he handled his shoddy claim well and obviously I trust his results a lot. Unfortunately, that leaves rev... who isn't particularly scummy, but also not overtly town for me. In light of this new information, I think that rev is the best lynch option. I still don't like PMJ in the slightest, and Meaty leaving is just odd, but hopefully he'll be modkilled so we can focus on PMJ, or Chaos/Crimson if rev is town.
Here's my problem:
With this information it would be very easy for any scum to lead us into lynching every player other than the one (most likely) or two (not likely) scum on the list
Here's the deal we have to make:
Celever, are you willing to be lynched tomorrow if rev flips town?
I think that's what's best for the townies...

I honestly think that CF could be scum but hey; that's just me.

Not at all. This is one the least confident targets I've ever had, and the only reason I want him lynched even a little bit is because I find the rest of them very town-like.
 
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rev3rsor hasn't replied yet today, has he? It's quite possible that he will be modkilled too...
As for this, I really can't say anything... Maybe PMJ was right? I find it hard to believe.
We can proceed with PMJ's lynch today... if he flips town, then maybe we can check his idea of CF and Celever... The role says "at least", meaning that it's possible there are two members of the scum faction written in it. Three is stretching one's luck, so probably not.
If CF is lynched and flips town, then that clears Celever... rev will probably be modkilled... so that takes out half the list. If PMJ flips scum, then it again takes away half the list. With Lenny dead, that would only leave me and Blui... assuming nobody else flips scum in the process. I believe this is the best way for us to proceed right now; going with the fastest elimination theory.
 
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Chaos Jackal said:
rev3rsor hasn't replied yet today, has he? It's quite possible that he will be modkilled too...
As for this, I really can't say anything... Maybe PMJ was right? I find it hard to believe.
We can proceed with PMJ's lynch today... if he flips town, then maybe we can check his idea of CF and Celever... The role says "at least", meaning that it's possible there are two members of the scum faction written in it. Three is stretching one's luck, so probably not.
If CF is lynched and flips town, then that clears Celever... rev will probably be modkilled... so that takes out half the list. If PMJ flips scum, then it again takes away half the list. With Lenny dead, that would only leave me and Blui... assuming nobody else flips scum in the process. I believe this is the best way for us to proceed right now; going with the fastest elimination theory.

If CF flips town how does that clear Celever
 
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Chaos Jackal said:
rev3rsor hasn't replied yet today, has he? It's quite possible that he will be modkilled too...
As for this, I really can't say anything... Maybe PMJ was right? I find it hard to believe.
We can proceed with PMJ's lynch today... if he flips town, then maybe we can check his idea of CF and Celever... The role says "at least", meaning that it's possible there are two members of the scum faction written in it. Three is stretching one's luck, so probably not.
If CF is lynched and flips town, then that clears Celever... rev will probably be modkilled... so that takes out half the list. If PMJ flips scum, then it again takes away half the list. With Lenny dead, that would only leave me and Blui... assuming nobody else flips scum in the process. I believe this is the best way for us to proceed right now; going with the fastest elimination theory.

Personally I think that the "at least" is there so that if we lynch the scum on that list the other 5 of us aren't cleaned beyond belief. 2 mafia members on a list like that is an extremely rare occurrence, and looking at the roles in this game and how the set up seems to be going I just don't think that this is one of those times...

ATA, if CF flips town with the role that he told us he has it means that his result is fully accurate; a result which says I am town. So I will be cleared beyond doubt.
 
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Celever said:
Blui
Celever
Chaos Jackal
CrimsonFlame
Lenny
r3versor

You can't put yourself on a list of people who are scummy. Everyone is going to describe them self as town.
 
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##UNVOTE: bbninjas
##VOTE: PMJ

If PMJ flips Town Celever is best lynch. If scum then Celever and CF are Town where we then lynch either CJ or Blui.
 
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AlexanderTheAwesome said:
Chaos Jackal said:
rev3rsor hasn't replied yet today, has he? It's quite possible that he will be modkilled too...
As for this, I really can't say anything... Maybe PMJ was right? I find it hard to believe.
We can proceed with PMJ's lynch today... if he flips town, then maybe we can check his idea of CF and Celever... The role says "at least", meaning that it's possible there are two members of the scum faction written in it. Three is stretching one's luck, so probably not.
If CF is lynched and flips town, then that clears Celever... rev will probably be modkilled... so that takes out half the list. If PMJ flips scum, then it again takes away half the list. With Lenny dead, that would only leave me and Blui... assuming nobody else flips scum in the process. I believe this is the best way for us to proceed right now; going with the fastest elimination theory.

If CF flips town how does that clear Celever

I used my one-shot ability on Celever. If he was scum I would've killed him and died in the process. Since he didn't die, it either means something protected him, or (the more likely scenario) he's town.

Just as a side note about my role:

I never got any feedback from Teal. I didn't specifically get a message saying "No, Celever is town, your ability didn't work." I used it, and simply nothing happened. That's why I said Celever is town.

As for my vote, I really don't know. I feel like by supporting PMJ's lynch, I could be leading the town into disaster. If he flips town, you guys have made it clear Celever and I are next. That would mean that if PMJ flips town, you guys are simply going to lynch another townie. The reason I see flaws in this plan is because I know 2/3s of the alignments being questioned. PMJ's behavior has been suspicious, yes, but I don't know if that's enough to condemn him.
 
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Mr.Muffin said:
Celever said:
Blui
Celever
Chaos Jackal
CrimsonFlame
Lenny
r3versor

You can't put yourself on a list of people who are scummy. Everyone is going to describe them self as town.

It was a literal list of users -- I don't put myself on reads etc., but I thought it was OK there,

AlexanderTheAwesome said:
##UNVOTE: bbninjas
##VOTE: PMJ

If PMJ flips Town Celever is best lynch. If scum then Celever and CF are Town where we then lynch either CJ or Blui.

I'm confident in PMJ being scum, so go ahead with that.
 
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CrimsonFlame said:
AlexanderTheAwesome said:
If CF flips town how does that clear Celever

I used my one-shot ability on Celever. If he was scum I would've killed him and died in the process. Since he didn't die, it either means something protected him, or (the more likely scenario) he's town.

Just as a side note about my role:

I never got any feedback from Teal. I didn't specifically get a message saying "No, Celever is town, your ability didn't work." I used it, and simply nothing happened. That's why I said Celever is town.

As for my vote, I really don't know. I feel like by supporting PMJ's lynch, I could be leading the town into disaster. If he flips town, you guys have made it clear Celever and I are next. That would mean that if PMJ flips town, you guys are simply going to lynch another townie. The reason I see flaws in this plan is because I know 2/3s of the alignments being questioned. PMJ's behavior has been suspicious, yes, but I don't know if that's enough to condemn him.

Ok, you have a good point
If PMJ flips Town we can always just lynch rev instead. That's probably a better idea.
 
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I would get put up for a lynch the day after I lose my ability.

The reason I backed off is because I believe Crimson's role. Everything is correct in regards to structure and wording. People are calling the whole bit about "youngster Lucario" into question, but that's not a detail that a player would normally use when creating a safe claim for a Lucario character.

I believe "Aura Sense" is the act of just searching a player's aura. Killing them would be flavor, i.e. "You sensed his aura, found he was anti-Arceus, then went over and whooped the dog shit out of him for JUSTICE".

Crimson also mentioned that Teal did not tell him Celever was town, which lines up perfectly with when I asked Teal to tell me if Blui was town when he neighborized me. Teal never gave me a straight answer. He wouldn't say Blui was town, and he wouldn't say Blui was scum either.

So Crimson is town, which means Celever is town. I am town, but I can't prove it, which is troubling because I know that, assuming ATA is telling the truth, at least one of Blui, Chaos Jackal, or rev3rsor is scum.

I'm starting to think it's Blui. When he neighborized me and I told him I didn't trust him, he told me his character name was Keldeo and he had a secret ability. I know I said that one of Virizion and Terrakion is scum, but with Keldeo in the game and Teal being intentionally vague about alliances, there's more than a good chance that out of all the Swords of Justice, it could be the new guy--Keldeo--as scum. Thoughts?
 
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