Finished Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [AND THE WINNERS ARE...]

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

Why? Because you are being so defiant in helping the town

How so? If you're saying I should not defend myself and disprove suspicions against me, that's ridiculous.

Maybe it's just me, but if you C+ P your role, wouldn't that defend yourself??

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

You're not helping town because you aren't doing a simple task people are asking you and saying "look it up yourself" isn't very team player-ish


Also, HI TT

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

How so? If you're saying I should not defend myself and disprove suspicions against me, that's ridiculous.

Maybe it's just me, but if you C+ P your role, wouldn't that defend yourself??

You're truly desperate for that role PM, aren't you?
There's no additional defence provided by a copypasted role PM - remember the part about role PMs being editable? Paraphrasing gets the info across without people thinking I'm scum because Teal wasn't consistent with his role wordings, too:

I just realized there might be some slight inconsistencies in the wordings of PM:s.

So I feel no reason to role reveal. You, refusing to accept my paraphrasing for what it is, are dragging out this line of discussion and thus detracting from any real beneficial discussion for town.

You're not helping town because you aren't doing a simple task people are asking you and saying "look it up yourself" isn't very team player-ish

If you were active during that Day 4 discussion about my role, you wouldn't need to be asking this. I'd rather encourage players to read and analyze the game, instead of repeat what I've already said. "People" in this instance only refers to you and bbninjas, by the way. Don't try and make your argument bigger than it is.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

I want to see your role PM, too.

##UNVOTE: Chaos Jackal
##VOTE: bigfootaus

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

Also I dgaf if you've paraphrased it. I want to see its exact wording.

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

Consistency in wording is not what I'm looking for
I was looking through the D4 discussion and I could not find where you quoted your role. The whole point of WW is arguments and discussion, anything I argue is not out of line as long as it pertains to the game. Trying to figure out wolves out of line? No, sir. No.

Also, people refers to more than one person. Me and bbninjas are more than one person, so thus people is the accurate term.

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

Oh, people now refers to three persons.

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

I've never quoted my role -- paraphrasing is not quoting.
6 persons and I'll roleclaim, then.

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

Might I ask why 6? Why not 1 2 3 4 5 7 or 8?
Or is that something else you'd like to be kept to yourself?

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

The longer you wait, the scummier you look, js.

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

Anyone other than AtA, bbninjas, and PMJ wanna add to this line of discussion?

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

Anyone other than AtA, bbninjas, and PMJ wanna add to this line of discussion?

They are probably reading through this mess of a conversation.
What's wrong with us
I'd say we're all pretty cool peeps

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

Why? Because you are being so defiant in helping the town

How so? If you're saying I should not defend myself and disprove suspicions against me, that's ridiculous.

It's almost as if you're using shock-phrases to make people support you with no reasoning there, too. If I'm not helping town, explain why.

I can explain that one... A claim helps the town not to individually look through 100 pages of post to scrape together your exact role. Also, Teal has only made that mistake once out of the nine confirmed roles, and the adding the seven or so others that have been claimed... That is 1 in 16. Then Teal has been, as someone put it, 'religiously' following rules and patterns of his game/flavour/structure. The only reason you wouldn't want to claim is because you are worried you are to be lynched.

How so? If you're saying I should not defend myself and disprove suspicions against me, that's ridiculous.

Maybe it's just me, but if you C+ P your role, wouldn't that defend yourself??

I'm pretty sure Celever would've got me lynched if I didn't claim...

I also think BF may be scum since he was using the mason QT posts that I posted to try and prove MTC is scummy.

Well yeah, I had to use your QT posts because I don't have any QT posts of my own to use as reference. First WW game, never used QT before. I needed someone else to post their QT posts so I knew what they looked like, and you did just that. If you think MtC is clean, then I'd start inspecting you. There should be one scum in that little group of yours, which leads me to this...

Why are AtA and bbninjas so desperate to see a copypasted role PM when I've discussed and paraphrased my role already? Why are those two so suddenly trying to get a copypasted role PM from me? Did you miss Day 4? Did you miss every other day when I was dropping small hints about my role? Why ask for a copypasted role PM now?

I do hope you are not suggesting I am siding with AtA, I still think he may be scummy, but I would still like to see a claim from you, bigfoot. I'm pretty sure that people who try not to claim either have a super powerful role or are scum. I'm pretty sure killing someone on your death is not classified as a super powerful role, but instead is more scummy.

Maybe it means Bigfoot's a wolf? That, plus the reporter saying to look into him seem kind of suspicious. Maybe we should be looking into him? Hmmmmmm.

So, I think rev and MTC are scum based on this little life orb kerfuffle. Voting rev for this day, MTC the next. Rev first because (1) he started this whole thing and it just seems fair this way (2) he has been upgraded and upgraded scum are bad scum.

And what happened about this? Neither MTC or Rev was killed, and MTC never posted anything after you posted this. So what has made you forget/change your mind on this matter? We would certainly like to know...

That aside, I think that AtA should be lynched today. IMO, we need to be able to decide if we can trust his list, and lynching may be one of the only ways to do that.

 

[CrimsonFlame]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

So what I'm basically getting at here is that we're killing me to experiment. Greeeeaaaat.

No one else finds it odd that BF is clearly hiding something? Start of the day, he pushes for my lynch. From the tsunami of information yesterday, i got out of it that my main accuser was backing off, having believed in my claims. So were rekindling old accusations, for what, a shot at confirming one person as town? But that's where I start to get very confused. Earlier today, BF said:

If CF dies, is town, and his role reveal in the update mentions the ability he used on you, you're clean.
If CF is scum, trying to get a safety bond on an unconfirmed player such as yourself isn't exactly 100% foolproof. Haven't seen any undeniable confirmation that you're town, Celever.
You're pretty much leading town, and have been for a while. There's been plenty of time for scum to nightkill you. Since you're leading town, I wanna verify that you are actually town, so I'm voting CF and hoping he was truthful for the sake of the long-game.

So basically, you're thinking Celever is acting scummy, so you're killing a potential innocent to see if Celever might be scum.

Why not just go for Celever, then? If he turns up scum then you know I'm scum too. If I turn up scum then, according to you, BF, Celever might be scum. You're method and logic for this situation is a bit convoluted.

And again, I know Celever is town, unless he was protected the night I tried to kill him. But with you're plan, BF, you have a much higher potential of hurting town than scum. I mean, you're hurting town either way, because, you know, Celever and I are both town, but simply stating that doesn't really help you guys believe me any more.

Also, demanding six votes on you before you role claim? Buying yourself time to add flavor to a fake role? Or just trying to stay hidden for as long as possible?

I don't know, guys. Whether you guys take my thoughts for what they are, or as ramblings of a cornered animal, if I end up dying, look into BF, maybe?

##VOTE: Bigfootaus

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

-snip-

Also, demanding six votes on you before you role claim? Buying yourself time to add flavor to a fake role? Or just trying to stay hidden for as long as possible?

I don't know, guys. Whether you guys take my thoughts for what they are, or as ramblings of a cornered animal, if I end up dying, look into BF, maybe?

##VOTE: Bigfootaus

No you are most defiantly not rambling. I will probably add my vote if BF doesn't claim today.
What I do find strange is that BF is supposed to be going for rev or MTC today, according to one of the posts I quoted above, but instead went for CF, and is now trying to not claim.

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

@Bigfoot AUS, while there's not much of a reason to c/p your role, there's no reason you shouldn't c/p it. If you're really town, your role should help you prove you're town. The only good reason to not claim would be if you're a wolf. If you have other abilities you don't want to share with us, just take them out of the c/p. Honestly, you seem pretty dodgy today, and kind of suspicious. I would mind your lynch, but I prefer to follow ATA's list.

@Celever, I've thought about ATA being a wolf. But I'm getting a town vibe from him, so I'd rather follow through on his list. Speaking of, I think CJ is still our best option. His posts kind of seem to be active lurking. He also bandwagoned pretty hard on Blui. And as I said earlier, I don't really suspect anyone else on the list that much, so I'd like to lynch him today, or if Bigfoot is lynched, he should kill CJ.

@CrimsonFlame, the reason we'd lynch you before Celever is because if you're lying about your role, Celever could be either wolf or town, since the only proof that Celever is town is through your word. If Celever's a wolf, there's an 100% chance you're a wolf, since you wouldn't lie about it otherwise. But, if you're town, Celever is 100% town, so we'd rather lynch you to clear him. He's also more active than you are, and has an ability left.

I honestly think the announcer is a wolf. If they were town, they would be elaborating more on if they have a Seer power, or if they don't. When I was a scum announcer I tried to be pretty vague with my posts. As for the Navi person (Hey, listen!), I think that's just what their leads are. I doubt it has anything to do with their alignment. There is a chance it could, but I wouldn't factor it in when lynching CJ or Bigfoot.

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

No you are most defiantly not rambling. I will probably add my vote if BF doesn't claim today.
What I do find strange is that BF is supposed to be going for rev or MTC today, according to one of the posts I quoted above, but instead went for CF, and is now trying to not claim.

Well the idea with the rev-then-MTC vote was that they would get lynched, not just have a single measly vote placed on them. Nobody else really caught on to voting rev or MTC - Blui was the prime target. Figured it wasn't worth continuing it any more, and am instead now focusing on making sure the most active member of the game (Celever) is confirmed town.

"Demanding six votes on you before you claim" - nope, just wanted 6 people to want me to roleclaim. Never mentioned the word 'vote' there. Besides, what part of a "tweet-sized role" makes you think I'm gonna try to buy time to make an elaborate fake role?

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

I made this post yesterday, but didn't have time to post it before the day ended. Forgot about it until now. Here it is!

Home now, prepare for discussion smackdown.

First of all, I've teased at what my role is earlier in this day phase. If the life orb allows players to evolve as rev claimed earlier in the game, why would I, a Jynx, need it? How could I use it?
Second of all, I have not received any messages from Teal since he gave me my role PM. Haven't received any items, and honestly I'm really glad bbninjas pasted his chat because now I can do this big analysis:

This:

Hey, listen!
bigfootaus is a bit suspicious... take a closer look.

Is nothing like this:

@Life Orb You received a Life Orb. It must not get in wrong hands, but the power is so overwhelming that you can not hold on it for long. You must pass this item to another player during the next night.

Surely if rev got the orb, he'd have received the message bbninjas received. Rev should then already know what message would mean "You have this item now!" as opposed to something that's just parroting a newspaper. <- Premonition of the newspaper, as it turns out.

I suppose it's alright to pass the Life Orb to rev. A townie with an upgraded role will most likely be more helpful than a scum with an upgraded role will be unhelpful.

Not sure if scumbuddies with rev or just a town slip... Upgraded scum are bad. So far the scum in this game have poisoned, killed, and prevented unvotes. Upgrades of that would be nasty. Why would you say that upgraded scum aren't too bad for the town?

I didn't say scum getting an upgraded role was bad. I said a town getting an upgraded role is most likely better than scum getting one. Think about it: An upgraded town role will probably get a Seer or a Doctor power (which unfortunately isn't the case with rev). A scum will probably get like a one shot Bullet Proof Vest or a Seer power. Those town powers are better than those scum powers. Actually, come to think of it, a power involving votes sounds more like a wolf role than a town role. I'm kind of suspecting rev a bit now. You should also note that I didn't trust rev very much until bb already passed the item to him.

That is quite the bazar PM for Teal to send to you. Maybe it means Bigfoot's a wolf? That, plus the reporter saying to look into him seem kind of suspicious. Maybe we should be looking into him? Hmmmmmm.

Rev could potentially be faking the bizarre PM. Why would a game host be saying "this person is suspicious!"? Maybe I'm just a naive WW rookie but it seems weird.
If Teal's message is authentic, it would mean that since Rev received that PM as he got his new role, rev would've received the "bigfootaus is a bit suspicious... take a closer look" message before today's newspaper update which said "bigfootaus: Look into him"
So, rev is pretty closely tied to the newspaper there.
Since rev is trying to drag me into the life orb mess, I believe he's scum. It's kinda a big slip-up for someone who already received a PM about receiving an item to mix up what sort of PM does that. Being told to be suspicious of a person an entire phase before the newspaper announces it is also suspicious - not necessarily a scum suspicion, but it would mean either rev or MTC are scum and/or the reporter.
And Machamp seems so easily swayed by rev saying that I need to be looked into:

Maybe it means Bigfoot's a wolf? That, plus the reporter saying to look into him seem kind of suspicious. Maybe we should be looking into him? Hmmmmmm.

So, I think rev and MTC are scum based on this little life orb kerfuffle. Voting rev for this day, MTC the next. Rev first because (1) he started this whole thing and it just seems fair this way (2) he has been upgraded and upgraded scum are bad scum.

I never said I wanted to lynch you. I was unsure if we should or not. But now, honestly, I think you're overreacting to me "accusing" you, and trying to OMGUS me. We might want to lynch Bigfoot at some point.

So I want to apologize for my horrendous inactivity as of late. Like I said, I was distracted by smash bros, but more importantly I just started working a new job and that's been taking most of my time and energy, especially combined with school and social life. I'll do my best to keep active from now on, and I'll definitely post my opinions like bbninjas just conveniently asked after I read more about this day. I didn't just respond because bb asked me to, I was actually just going through this making sure I wasn't modkilled at the same time... >.< I see SF was lynched and turned scum, not much of a surprise there. I'm also seeing stuff against blui because he's Keldeo and the swordsmen didn't know about him, it's certainly a possibility that he's scum. If cuddly Goodra turned out evil, not even Keldeo is exempt. Finally, I'm aware that I'm still a suspect and probably will be for this whole game, but if anyone wants to pursue that any further I will gladly answer whatever doubts they may have about my allegiances.

What are the results of your first ability throughout the game? You might want to reveal your second ability, too, because we will likely lynch you soon.

 

[GM DracLord]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

I'm too tired to understanding what you guys are saying.. All that i got is that. Afew of us are supporting for footus claim.. Im not siding with either side on this claiming matter

 

[Luispipe8]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

Gotta agree with Drac, this whole thing's a mess! Dx
##Teal, can we get a vote count? I'm totally lost by now.