Finished Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [AND THE WINNERS ARE...]

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 6: ends Wednesday 29th]

Because a townie should follow the advice of other townies...?

Are you a confirmed townie? Did I miss that? I'm suspicious of you, you know. Aren't you in the Swords Of Justice? There's supposed to be scum in there.

And I wasn't saying "bigfoot kill this person or you're scum" because threatening you to do something that happens after you're already dead is stupid.

That's the very argument that's coming across from you when you're saying I should be lynched, though. Just vote for Meaty instead - it's less fuss. Tunnel me another day.

Because he'll die if you die, and I'm suspicious of you. You seem to want Meaty dead, so why wouldn't you kill him? The way this quote is worded makes it seem like Meaty won't die if Bigfoot's lynched. Like Bigfoot doesn't have the ability at all...

Why wouldn't I kill him? Because I'm voting to lynch him. Why wouldn't you vote to lynch him? It'd be killing him without killing a townie.

I can't exactly go after Meaty, since he hasn't posted in forever. And it's not like I don't want Meaty dead; I still suspect him a decent amount. But I suspect you more, and by killing you, Meaty will also (likely) die, so I don't see a reason I shouldn't just vote for you.

You can't go after Meaty? He's left plenty in his previous posts and he's on Drohn's list - is there some rule saying any posts more than a Day phase old are useless? Look through his old posts! Killing me is a gamble on who I'd target - you have no control over it, whereas lynching Meaty would be lynching Meaty, no gamble on who I would use my ability on because I wouldn't be dead.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 6: ends Wednesday 29th]

Because a townie should follow the advice of other townies...?

Are you a confirmed townie? Did I miss that? I'm suspicious of you, you know. Aren't you in the Swords Of Justice? There's supposed to be scum in there.

And I wasn't saying "bigfoot kill this person or you're scum" because threatening you to do something that happens after you're already dead is stupid.

That's the very argument that's coming across from you when you're saying I should be lynched, though. Just vote for Meaty instead - it's less fuss. Tunnel me another day.

Because he'll die if you die, and I'm suspicious of you. You seem to want Meaty dead, so why wouldn't you kill him? The way this quote is worded makes it seem like Meaty won't die if Bigfoot's lynched. Like Bigfoot doesn't have the ability at all...

Why wouldn't I kill him? Because I'm voting to lynch him. Why wouldn't you vote to lynch him? It'd be killing him without killing a townie.

I can't exactly go after Meaty, since he hasn't posted in forever. And it's not like I don't want Meaty dead; I still suspect him a decent amount. But I suspect you more, and by killing you, Meaty will also (likely) die, so I don't see a reason I shouldn't just vote for you.

You can't go after Meaty? He's left plenty in his previous posts and he's on Drohn's list - is there some rule saying any posts more than a Day phase old are useless? Look through his old posts! Killing me is a gamble on who I'd target - you have no control over it, whereas lynching Meaty would be lynching Meaty, no gamble on who I would use my ability on because I wouldn't be dead.

Not to mention Meaty will decide to post to save himself...

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 6: ends Wednesday 29th]

Because a townie should follow the advice of other townies...?

Are you a confirmed townie? Did I miss that? I'm suspicious of you, you know. Aren't you in the Swords Of Justice? There's supposed to be scum in there.

No, but a lot of people here are. Even if they're not confirmed, you have to take risks in WW and put your hope in people. And it's not confirmed that there's scum in the Swords Of Justice. In fact, I highly doubt there is. If I thought there was, I would've tried to lynch bb a long time ago.

And I wasn't saying "bigfoot kill this person or you're scum" because threatening you to do something that happens after you're already dead is stupid.

That's the very argument that's coming across from you when you're saying I should be lynched, though. Just vote for Meaty instead - it's less fuss. Tunnel me another day.

But I find you more suspicious.

"it's less fuss" "fuss" is not a bad thing in WW. It creates discussion, and leads us to our next lynch target. Sitting there and letting someone get lynched doesn't help us figure out who to lynch the next day.

Because he'll die if you die, and I'm suspicious of you. You seem to want Meaty dead, so why wouldn't you kill him? The way this quote is worded makes it seem like Meaty won't die if Bigfoot's lynched. Like Bigfoot doesn't have the ability at all...

Why wouldn't I kill him? Because I'm voting to lynch him. Why wouldn't you vote to lynch him? It'd be killing him without killing a townie.

"Because I'm voting to lynch him." But if (theoretically) you are lynched, and kill Meaty, then we'll know what he flipped and make a better choice on who to lynch tomorrow. If you kill some random other person, we would've had more information on if that player was scum the next day if you just said to look into that player after you died.

"Why wouldn't you vote to lynch him?" Because I find you more suspicious...

"It'd be killing him without killing a townie." We obviously don't know you're town, nor do we know Meaty is a wolf.

I can't exactly go after Meaty, since he hasn't posted in forever. And it's not like I don't want Meaty dead; I still suspect him a decent amount. But I suspect you more, and by killing you, Meaty will also (likely) die, so I don't see a reason I shouldn't just vote for you.

You can't go after Meaty? He's left plenty in his previous posts and he's on Drohn's list - is there some rule saying any posts more than a Day phase old are useless? Look through his old posts! Killing me is a gamble on who I'd target - you have no control over it, whereas lynching Meaty would be lynching Meaty, no gamble on who I would use my ability on because I wouldn't be dead.

By going after him, I meant I can't ask him questions and get additional reads on him. I've already seen his past posts, and I've already seen yours. The difference being I can get you to post more.

"Killing me is a gamble on who I'd target" If you're town, I trust you won't kill someone stupid. I'd like to think you'll at least eliminate someone who isn't confirmed town. Best (and most likely) case scenario you'll kill Meaty, which is what I think you will do based on who you've said you're suspicious of.

 

[Reinforce]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 6: ends Wednesday 29th]

No, but a lot of people here are. Even if they're not confirmed, you have to take risks in WW and put your hope in people. And it's not confirmed that there's scum in the Swords Of Justice. In fact, I highly doubt there is. If I thought there was, I would've tried to lynch bb a long time ago.

What if that's because the wolf is you

Actually it's more like a townsperson has no reason to be afraid or to follow what the majority suggests since we are working as town as a whole.

Eron's claim has gotten my suspicion, too. Paradise is a recurring theme among the Anti-Arceus. Wishing for a paradise is actually similar to Chaos Jackal/Pathos the Swablu's flavor if you think of it. Perhaps Munna's tired of dreaming and would actually join in bringing about the Paradise that Dusknoir aims for, don't you think?

And it's very manipulative to say that if I'm town I'll kill a person everyone thinks is scum - if everyone thinks a person is scum, just lynch that person!

I understand your sentiments... But see, we don't have that luxury. For now, we have no sure way of telling who is town and who is wolf. Our best bet is going after as many suspicious people as we can. A lynch is only one person a day, and while now we don't feel it, we'll eventually feel the pressure if later on in the game we still have a couple of wolves. You wouldn't know who to go after first. That's why, now, while we have the luxury of time and town numbers, we should find ways to go after wolves aside from lynching. And your ability, if it is true, is one of those.

Think of it as a town taking one for the team. As they say, sacrifices have to be made sometimes. For an example, I'd suggest you check out what rev3rsor did at WWXXI Members Revolt

 

[Reinforce]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 6: ends Wednesday 29th]

While I don't trust Eron completely, I suppose since everybody's gone and done it and it wouldn't matter much... I'm an Aegislash.

 

[Squirtle Squad]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 6: ends Wednesday 29th]

Hehe reinforce! You'll be Erons next dream target calling it now! Hahaha!!

But in all seriousness there's probably not a point in killing bigfootaus in order to get meaty when we can just get meaty? If the suspicion on Bigfoot remains we just kill him later, town still has a great majority!

So I still reckon Meaty is the play

 

[Reinforce]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 6: ends Wednesday 29th]

Hehe reinforce! You'll be Erons next dream target calling it now! Hahaha!!

...?

Oh, and before I forget:

##VOTE: Meaty

 

[CrimsonFlame]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 6: ends Wednesday 29th]

Lucario is CrimsonFlame, IIRC. And TT is way dead, you want it to come out of the grave?

Lucario is CF
Can we have a quote on the ability plz

\o/

I'd love to scream finally and say that I'm cleared, but... Eron's role claim is incredibly suspicious. His ability, "Dream"... what does that have to do with finding out the species of a player? I suppose I shouldn't talk, "Aura Sphere", my ability, was the same kind of deal. Didn't really make sense. I'm still kinda getting a bad vibe from Eron though... But I still think Meaty is the beter choice.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 6: ends Wednesday 29th]

So Meaty has been a top suspect for days but MTC is trying his damndest to get us to lynch bigfoot even though, as bigfoot pointed out, that is a phenomenally stupid idea because you can just lynch your suspect instead of the guy who needs to use his ability to kill the suspect. This is the most basic of plays and MTC is inexplicably against it. With no scum in the Swords yet found, I'm starting to believe MTC is that scum and trying way too hard to get a twofer to make things a bit easier for him.

##UNVOTE: Meaty
##VOTE: Machamp The Champion

 

[Teal]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

Vote Count:
Meaty (AlexanderTheAwesome, PMJ, Eron, bbninjas, Luispipe8, CrimsonFlame, bigfootaus, Reinforce)
bigfootaus (bbninjas, Machamp The Champion)
Machamp The Champion (PMJ)

9 vote count required for a lynch.

 

[Squirtle Squad]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 6: ends Wednesday 29th]

So Meaty has been a top suspect for days but MTC is trying his damndest to get us to lynch bigfoot even though, as bigfoot pointed out, that is a phenomenally stupid idea because you can just lynch your suspect instead of the guy who needs to use his ability to kill the suspect. This is the most basic of plays and MTC is inexplicably against it. With no scum in the Swords yet found, I'm starting to believe MTC is that scum and trying way too hard to get a twofer to make things a bit easier for him.

##UNVOTE: Meaty
##VOTE: Machamp The Champion

Supposing you were right PMJ, which actually doesn't sound too bad, then it would alleviate Meaty and Bigfoot! If MTC is scum and trying to get them both lynched then those two would have to be town!

But yeah it definitely doesn't make Sense to be killing Bigfoot in order to kill Meaty, when we could already kill Meaty anyway, and Meaty has been pressured so he could die that way too...

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 6: ends Wednesday 29th]

@PMJ
I would like to have a bit of consent over this, being my mason partner, I actually read everything else he posts and I rarely get anything negative from him. And also, since Drohn is very popular now-a-days, I'm pretty sure MTC was quite high up there on his town list. I suggested getting rid of MTC because he wasn't posting... Drohn said "What.. No.. Why?"

 

[Wailord_2]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 6: ends Wednesday 29th]

@@PRESSURE: Wailord
Why have you only voted twice - and both on town?

I have already said that I have a role that before now, I could only vote for whoever Chaos Jackal voted for. If I didn't agree with who he voted for or he didn't vote, I couldn't vote. In general, I am more cautious with my votes, especially now, because my vote is worth double.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 6: ends Wednesday 29th]

Consent for what? I don't understand.

As scum, MTC is not going to make it obvious to you that he is scum. Drohn probably read him as town early game, which is good... but that's early game. Now that it's a bit later, MTC's bonehead suggestion has given me pause.

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 6: ends Wednesday 29th]

Meaty has twelve hours until modkill
I'll be asleep for most of them so I'm hoping he'll be dead when I wake up

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 6: ends Wednesday 29th]

So Meaty has been a top suspect for days but MTC is trying his damndest to get us to lynch bigfoot even though, as bigfoot pointed out, that is a phenomenally stupid idea because you can just lynch your suspect instead of the guy who needs to use his ability to kill the suspect. This is the most basic of plays and MTC is inexplicably against it. With no scum in the Swords yet found, I'm starting to believe MTC is that scum and trying way too hard to get a twofer to make things a bit easier for him.

##UNVOTE: Meaty
##VOTE: Machamp The Champion

The reason I'm voting for Bigfoot is because I find him more suspicious than Meaty. That is 90% of my reasoning for voting him. I am saying that IF (key word: IF) Bigfoot flips town, which I think is LESS LIKELY than him flipping scum, Meaty will MORE THAN LIKELY die from his ability. If Meaty doesn't die from Bigfoot's ability (which I think is very UNLIKELY based on basic logic and what Bigfoot has said), oh well. We can lynch Meaty tomorrow. I fail to see how simply voting someone I THINK IS SCUM is scummy, and certainly not "boneheaded." I mean, obviously I can see why that would be considered scummy, but I see no reason to change who I'm voting for just because the rest of the town disagrees with me.

I am NOT OPPOSED to lynching Meaty, but I would PREFER to lynch Bigfoot.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 6: ends Wednesday 29th]

bigfoot is town. His ability activates on getting lynched. If he were scum, he would not admit that his ability works on getting lynched because then it would still be seen as okay to lynch him using your reasoning - if he's scum, then fine. If he's town, then he can just kill someone else who's suspicious, even though that is a really bad idea.

Not to mention that if bigfoot was scum, and he got to kill someone upon getting lynched, then the town would get punished for lynching scum, aka the one thing they're supposed to do in this game.

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 6: ends Wednesday 29th]

bigfoot is town. His ability activates on getting lynched. If he were scum, he would not admit that his ability works on getting lynched because then it would still be seen as okay to lynch him using your reasoning - if he's scum, then fine. If he's town, then he can just kill someone else who's suspicious, even though that is a really bad idea.

1) He could easily be lying about having that ability.
2) There could easily be WIFOM involved with that claim. What you're saying is the exact opposite thing you said about CF and Celever earlier - something you were so adamant about for a long time - which makes me think you know the possibility is there, and could very easily be true.
3) Do you really not think Bigfoot would kill Meaty? Everyone seems to think it's a good idea. The person he's second most likely to kill is probably me, honestly, and I'd like to think I'm town-like enough that I wouldn't be seen as a better target than Meaty. After all, "Meaty has been a top suspect for days." So much so that pushing for a different lynch (that will likely get Meaty killed anyway if Bigfoot flips town) is really scummy, according to you.

 

[Ice Espeon]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 6: ends Wednesday 29th]

If Bigfoot was scum, why would Chaos Jackal draw attention to him? There would be no point bussing him when they are already down on numbers.

I still think that there is a scum member within the Swords of Justice group and I will probably vote for one of them pending the results of Meaty's modkill.

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 6: ends Wednesday 29th]

If Bigfoot was scum, why would Chaos Jackal draw attention to him? There would be no point bussing him when they are already down on numbers.

I still think that there is a scum member within the Swords of Justice group and I will probably vote for one of them pending the results of Meaty's modkill.

If I did my math correctly he should be dead now.