Finished Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Game Over! Town Wins!

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 1! Everyone come play!

Ok.

What's that supposed to mean?

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 1! Everyone come play!

Ok.

What's that supposed to mean?

Uh, there is nothing really new to say. And no point. And I am going to bed. And I am flying to quick.
tl;dr You've just elaborated a bit more (i.e. nearly said the same thing just more detailed) so I would basically say the respond the same but more elaborate. Nothing is going to change, and, plus, I can't reach 92 posts Day 1 cause that would be weird.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 1! Everyone come play!

Ok.

What's that supposed to mean?

Uh, there is nothing really new to say. And no point. And I am going to bed. And I am flying to quick.
tl;dr You've just elaborated a bit more (i.e. nearly said the same thing just more detailed) so I would basically say the respond the same but more elaborate. Nothing is going to change, and, plus, I can't reach 92 posts Day 1 cause that would be weird.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 1! Everyone come play!

/me facepalms for double posting somehow

 

[Chaos Jackal]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 1! Everyone come play!

It's entirely different. PMJ dislikes Day 1 greatly -- he has told everyone this many times -- and so posting trivial things like vote tags seems more like he is trying to create the illusion of contribution as opposed to just contributing more casually. This is backed up by the fact that, for whatever reason, people grew suspicious of him last game thanks to a lack of early game participation. He's scum a second time and doesn't want to make the same mistakes again.

Name a person who likes Day 1.

Your suspicion of PMJ may be a lead, but don't use the word solid about it again. Calling a Day 1 lead solid is ridiculous unless you have a whole heap of incriminating evidence and the other guy's role PM just in case.

If we were suspicious of every person who dislikes Day 1 and yet posts then we would get nowhere. Making a mention about vote tags has nothing to do with contributing to the game even as a facade, because it doesn't contribute. It doesn't contain anything even closely related to who or who isn't suspicious.

Not counting his post pre-start, PMJ has made 4 posts. 2 of these were replying to Celever, so that leaves two posts. One of them was acceptance of the fact that his initial post had a flaw (in other words, that the vote tags don't add ##). So PMJ has only made one post stating something, all the others were replies. And that post he made can't pretend to be a contribution facade even to a newbie. In other words, he has pretty much done what he always does Day 1: nothing. Accusing him of being unlike himself has as much foundation as a sandcastle on the beach.

I'd like nothing more than to follow bbninjas train of thought and say that Celever is suspicious for suggesting that an experienced player should be lynched so early, but I have already thought of ways to counter that thought, among which the fact that Celever does what he always does and of course that it is Day 1 and we can't expect anything better.

To sum it up, I'm against the idea of lynching PMJ Day 1. He has experience, and if he is town he could be helpful. "But if he is scum he will screw us up!". Doubt it. In order for even the best scum player to screw the town up so early and so badly is for the scum team to pull very risky stunts, and these have such drawbacks that attempting them this early is usually a wrong idea, as there are way too many chances of giving town the advantage.

 

[Squirtle Squad]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 1! Everyone come play!

Suppose Celever you're right then Bb must be a wolf defending him! Haha!!!

So ##unRemember: Ice Espeon
##Behead: Bbninjas

This is vote is purely because you're Australian!

Can this day period just end yet? / lynch an inactive person and actually start this game?

 

[TwistedTurtwig]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 1! Everyone come play!

Can't let the new guy go without a vote!

##WELCOME: Jarizard

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 1! Everyone come play!

CJ, solid has a different meaning on Day 1 . There's just no need to write out "solid for day 1" every time.

I also didn't say "PMJ is clearly scum because of this let's lynch him", I just said that it's progress for such early D1.

 

[Luispipe8]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 1! Everyone come play!

/me gets late to the party

MtC and Camo are at their Regional Championships. I'm assuming that they, and all those that attend, will be back by either /really/ late tonight, or tomorrow.

Now, I barely skimmed through the PMJ discussion, since I'm on my way to Sunday Mass and League afterwards, so I'll give my input later tonight.

 

[Vom]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 1! Everyone come play!

It's entirely different. PMJ dislikes Day 1 greatly -- he has told everyone this many times -- and so posting trivial things like vote tags seems more like he is trying to create the illusion of contribution as opposed to just contributing more casually. This is backed up by the fact that, for whatever reason, people grew suspicious of him last game thanks to a lack of early game participation. He's scum a second time and doesn't want to make the same mistakes again.

While most of this isn't really valid as already stated by Chaos Jackal and bbninjas, that last part kinda makes sense to me. So, for now: ##UNDERPVOTE: rev3rsor and ##LACKOFBETTEROPTIONS: PMJ.
It's the only lead we have so far (if I didn't miss anything) so for now I'm sticking to this.

 

[Chaos Jackal]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 1! Everyone come play!

CJ, solid has a different meaning on Day 1 . There's just no need to write out "solid for day 1" every time.

I also didn't say "PMJ is clearly scum because of this let's lynch him", I just said that it's progress for such early D1.

For me, solid has no meaning for Day 1. This lead isn't solid even if it does. If you call the fact that someone made one post progress, even for Day 1, then I believe your expectations are even lower than they should.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 1! Everyone come play!

Imma get caught up sometime today. Hold your horses boys.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 1! Everyone come play!

Oooo!!!!! The game has started! Yay!

First thing: if Celever and Camo decide to do their gamely showdown, I may feel compelled to lynch one of them.

This is bad. I don't think to understand why I do what I do D1.

Hey...
I suggest assigning a number to each player, then take a D&D dice and roll it to decide the lynch, so we can get through with this annoying Day 1.

Ok lets do it. I picked Celever.

So does anyone have any worthwhile information to aid this RVS or are we gonna go with Jackals option

I can't tell if this is a serious post or not. I sure hope it's not.

##UNROLL: Chaos Jackal
##APPEASE: PMJ

PMJ never talks on Day 1. Never. This seems like a means to sort of patch up what cast a bit of suspicion on him last game, which was lack of participation early game, because he is trying to "contribute" by stating the most trivial things.

Great. You are voting someone because they posted. This reminds me of back when I was lynched because I was too active.

Hey everybody! I'm alive and... woah those votes were quick.

I think I'm going to stay out of RVS for now...

Thank you so much for your contribution.

Guys, the PMJ lynch DOES have actual reasoning, and it's a direction to head in. This is looking like a pretty half-hearted Day 1 right now lol

Your grasping for straws that don't exist.

And why should we not vote for Celever? After all, it seems he is trying to rid an experienced player Day 1... which is detrimental.

I don't like this. You are not a we. You are a you. You decide if you think Celever is scum instead of constantly seeking our approval for everything.

When did Camo and MtC say they where getting back?

And why should we not vote for Celever? After all, it seems he is trying to rid an experienced player Day 1... which is detrimental.

It's not detrimental if said experienced player is a wolf

But either way, I'm not really suggesting at this stage that PMJ is obvowolfomglynch I'm just saying that it's a solid lead to start the day off on.

Celever is chasing unicorns again.

It's entirely different. PMJ dislikes Day 1 greatly -- he has told everyone this many times -- and so posting trivial things like vote tags seems more like he is trying to create the illusion of contribution as opposed to just contributing more casually. This is backed up by the fact that, for whatever reason, people grew suspicious of him last game thanks to a lack of early game participation. He's scum a second time and doesn't want to make the same mistakes again.

I like how you say that with absolute certainty.

Name a person who likes Day 1.
Camoclone

Your suspicion of PMJ may be a lead, but don't use the word solid about it again. Calling a Day 1 lead solid is ridiculous unless you have a whole heap of incriminating evidence and the other guy's role PM just in case.
Solid is an a describing word and as such is used to compare something to another thing. A solid thing can be solid D1 with a lot less evidence than something would need to have to be solid later in the game.

If we were suspicious of every person who dislikes Day 1 and yet posts then we would get nowhere. Making a mention about vote tags has nothing to do with contributing to the game even as a facade, because it doesn't contribute. It doesn't contain anything even closely related to who or who isn't suspicious.

Not counting his post pre-start, PMJ has made 4 posts. 2 of these were replying to Celever, so that leaves two posts. One of them was acceptance of the fact that his initial post had a flaw (in other words, that the vote tags don't add ##). So PMJ has only made one post stating something, all the others were replies. And that post he made can't pretend to be a contribution facade even to a newbie. In other words, he has pretty much done what he always does Day 1: nothing. Accusing him of being unlike himself has as much foundation as a sandcastle on the beach.

I'd like nothing more than to follow bbninjas train of thought and say that Celever is suspicious for suggesting that an experienced player should be lynched so early, but I have already thought of ways to counter that thought, among which the fact that Celever does what he always does and of course that it is Day 1 and we can't expect anything better.

To sum it up, I'm against the idea of lynching PMJ Day 1. He has experience, and if he is town he could be helpful. "But if he is scum he will screw us up!". Doubt it. In order for even the best scum player to screw the town up so early and so badly is for the scum team to pull very risky stunts, and these have such drawbacks that attempting them this early is usually a wrong idea, as there are way too many chances of giving town the advantage.
Now this is where you go wrong. Not lynching someone because they are a decent player is always a bad idea. If they have enough evidence against them then lynch them... end of story.

CJ, solid has a different meaning on Day 1 . There's just no need to write out "solid for day 1" every time.

I also didn't say "PMJ is clearly scum because of this let's lynch him", I just said that it's progress for such early D1.
The only progress you have made is making yourself look scummy.

For me, solid has no meaning for Day 1. This lead isn't solid even if it does. If you call the fact that someone made one post progress, even for Day 1, then I believe your expectations are even lower than they should.
Cases can be solid D1.

##VOTE: CELEVER

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 1! Everyone come play!

Oooo!!!!! The game has started! Yay!

First thing: if Celever and Camo decide to do their gamely showdown, I may feel compelled to lynch one of them.

This is bad. I don't think you understand why I do what I do D1.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 1! Everyone come play!

Camo you can lynch me 100% of the time on D1 if you target me because I'm awful at defending myself so do both me and the town a favour and don't lynch me please

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 1! Everyone come play!

Camo you can lynch me 100% of the time on D1 if you target me because I'm awful at defending myself so do both me and the town a favour and don't lynch me please

Great defense. This is AtE at its finest folks.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 1! Everyone come play!

Camo you can lynch me 100% of the time on D1 if you target me because I'm awful at defending myself so do both me and the town a favour and don't lynch me please

Great defense. This is AtE at its finest folks.

What is there to defend against? I was trying to usher along Day 1 a bit because nothing ever happens if someone doesn't, which apparently makes me scum. I'm not scum. Is that a good enough defense?

Just watch what you say today, because lynching me will be a detriment for the town...

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 1! Everyone come play!

Great defense. This is AtE at its finest folks.

What is there to defend against? I was trying to usher along Day 1 a bit because nothing ever happens if someone doesn't, which apparently makes me scum. I'm not scum. Is that a good enough defense?

Ushering along D1 by pushing a lynch that isnt justified in the slightest is always a bad idea.

Just watch what you say today, because lynching me will be a detriment for the town...

More AtE. This just reeks of it.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 1! Everyone come play!

How was I pushing a lynch? I stated repeatedly that I wasn't expecting a PMJ lynch by the end of the day, but having a lynch opens up discussion.

That wasn't just AtE, btw.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXV: Party in Kanto! - Day 1! Everyone come play!

How was I pushing a lynch? I stated repeatedly that I wasn't expecting a PMJ lynch by the end of the day, but having a lynch opens up discussion.

That wasn't just AtE, btw.

Uhhh yes it was.