...Don't mess with superstitions unnecessarily, ninjas and SS >.>
Why? What does Mordacazir have to do with any of this?
You could have supported your reasoning better if you would have unvoted then.
Why remember this later? I think that I would know when I was unvoted.
Why?
You just unvoted him.
That is actual reasoning.
This is a contradiction. How does unvoting someone then saying that people should vote for that person without revoting for them makes no sense.
What things have gotten good? This argument? This argument is the opposite of good.
What here don't I understand? No, really, tell me.
I am not intent on defending his cases. I am intent on disproving yours because they all make no sense.
NO.
That is NOT what I was arguing about.
Actually, I could, still can, and did.
It does not make sense to me. Quote where I said that it made sense to me.
I was not defending his reasoning.
I felt the need to call you out because you were making the same amount of sense as Celever when you were attacking him.
That's what I'm doing right now.
I am explaining clear, in depth, right now.
If what I'm saying is useless, then what you're saying shouldn't even be there because it has even less place.
The quality of your reasoning speaks for itself! Good DAY sir!
You mean this?Sorry, but why is my vote on you not a real case??
My argumenting during the first couple hours of the day 100% made the game progress a lot faster because we skipped RVS, which usually takes about 48 hours until we find a "scumslip" which is actually very weak.On consideration of all of that, I still feel like Celever is the better vote. I really don't like Celever's argumenting throughout the earlier day and consider that a big scumtell. I've also noticed more recently that Celever is nitpicking small things that players say in hopes for a "slip", which is a sign of a frantic scum. On the flip side, I feel like much of what is used as evidence against tgk is actually fairly affiliation-neutral if not points only slightly to scum.
tl;dr Celever is scummier than tgk as evidence against tgk is fairly neutral in determining alignment, while evidence agaisnt Celever is much more scummier.
My post here was sorta me restablishing my past case on Celever, but, like you said, mainly was just me sharing my thought process on who I thought was scummier and thus deserves my vote.@bbninjas I was also under the impression that your case on Celever simply was that TGK seemed less scummy to you. Looking for scum slips isn't scummy.
That was my reestablishment, yes. And it looks like you're treating this "case" of mine as something entirely new, which I find interesting...You mean this?
I don't recall you saying this before, and even then, I completely disagree. Because we skipped RVS, the town missed a tool in constructing reads going in Day 2 based on how people react. I'm not sure about everyone else, but I know that Camo pressuring newer players can give very nice reads depending on how they react - if a newbie reacts calm, it is likely that someone has told them to ignore Camo. If a newbie reacts confused, it is moreso likely that the player is town, as they do not have the guidance of a scum team. I actually think that skipping RVS is in the scum's best interests, not the towns.My argumenting during the first couple hours of the day 100% made the game progress a lot faster because we skipped RVS, which usually takes about 48 hours until we find a "scumslip" which is actually very weak.
The problem is that you are jumping all over the place. If your wagon doesn't pick up, you search for another one... that is often built on a misconception or poor reasoning in comparison to others. I can't remember if this around what you normally do or not since I haven't played with you for while now, but I'm finding it distractive over helpful.Also, saying that something is a sign of a frantic scum doesn't make it true. IMO, looking for leads is how the town wins the game, optimising on poor leads is how scum win the game. On day 1, throwing around different cases to get reactions and eventually see if others noticed the same thing as you in relation to the person you made a case on, but didn't have the guts to say it in the interest of self-preservation, is about the best thing you can do. You know that my playstyle as town is sticking my neck out to find good leads, so I don't know why you're trying to bring it up as a scummy thing I'm doing.
There are a few problems with searching for leads, at least in my opinion.And even if you think I'm scummier than TGK, that gives you no excuse to plant your vote on me and stop looking for new leads, which is what I just called you out for doing.
My post here was sorta me restablishing my past case on Celever, but, like you said, mainly was just me sharing my thought process on who I thought was scummier and thus deserves my vote.
That was my reestablishment, yes. And it looks like you're treating this "case" of mine as something entirely new, which I find interesting...
I don't recall you saying this before, and even then, I completely disagree. Because we skipped RVS, the town missed a tool in constructing reads going in Day 2 based on how people react. I'm not sure about everyone else, but I know that Camo pressuring newer players can give very nice reads depending on how they react - if a newbie reacts calm, it is likely that someone has told them to ignore Camo. If a newbie reacts confused, it is moreso likely that the player is town, as they do not have the guidance of a scum team. I actually think that skipping RVS is in the scum's best interests, not the towns.
Btw, once you stop looking for "scumslips", you may find a bit more information come out of Day 1.***
***My final response to a quote in this post sort of explains why I think this.
The problem is that you are jumping all over the place. If your wagon doesn't pick up, you search for another one... that is often built on a misconception or poor reasoning in comparison to others. I can't remember if this around what you normally do or not since I haven't played with you for while now, but I'm finding it distractive over helpful.
There are a few problems with searching for leads, at least in my opinion.
Firstly, I don't find searching for and posting multiple different "leads" when others are still active as something overly helpful. Posting multiple leads creates a mess of misunderstandings and confusion as readers have to attempt to follow along different cases and any debates that pursue. This is even worse during Day 1, which is amassed with confusion in the first place.
Secondly, I am not too fond of searching for "leads" in the first place. When people search for leads, I find that people (myself included) look waaaaay too hard into posts, locking into a mindset that focus solely on tells and slips. You end up seeing what you want to see, not what is actually there. That "slip" of Camo's that you "found" earlier on is a classic one, and the "contradictions" of scattered would also fall under this. I also reckon that your reason for you finding me as the most optimal lynch is a result of this.
Instead of searching for leads, I make reads. I feel like reads are a much better way to go in scumhunting in Werewolf. Making reads causes me to look for both the scummy and the towny aspects of each player, and reduces the risk of seeing things that is not there. I've actually got a scum read on a player outside of Celever and tgk that I will probably pursue in a later date, but I personally would like to observe that player for a bit longer to adjust my read, if necessary.
Thus, Celever, I do not think it is fair for you to impose on me how I should be scum hunting. I'm not sure if this is just scum you grasping at more straws or if you are actually town, genuinely convinced that I am skating through the day doing nothing, but I hope you and all other WW players consider the above few paragraphs in their methods of scumhunting.
Actually, I could, still can, and did.