Finished Werewolf XXX: Future in Stasis - GAME OVER! Town Wins! Now w/ Postgame analysis!
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What's your case on me? You're voting for me because I'm not searching for leads and my vote on you is "weak"? I can't defend against your opinions...
I'm actually really glad someone brought this up! I am aware that my playstyle is quite different to "normal". However, look at my mafia history here (blue games PB, red games another site). As you can see, I've played a heck of a lot of games on another site. This has allowed me to learn and improve [from mistakes] in a much more challenging meta, thus challenging how I play WW. As I died Day 1 in Melee and hosted ORAS, most people on PB would not have seen my playstyle since Revelation (a few months ago), and I know that it has changed a lot since then.
Re: Above to "town meta here". Basically you don't know my town meta anymore.
I honestly don't understand why my placing my vote on you is scummy or even out of character tbh. It's Day 1. I'm don't understand why you're picking on me about this - what about all the other people voting you?
@Squirtle Squad, what exactly were you referring to when my playstyle was different? I noticed that what I look for in my reads is different, so my posts should reflect that.
@bbninjas typically the bb I've played with as town has been annoying and a little bit pestering with his constant tagging of lurkers and bringing them into the game, you and Celever as i recall played very similarly like that. however this game you have been kind of on the back foot, instead mostly responding to info as opposed to finding it, but thats just what I perceive 
Sorry i was inactive today, i was playing a league challenge
So you are active now?
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I certainly have stopped tagging lurkers, because I don't see much worth of doing that Day 1 when a lot of people lurk anyway. I actually do agree that I am letting other people like Camo and Celever to an extent poke people around and I am simply gathering info from their pressures. I don't really do Day 1 well (see how often I get lynched Day 1 x-x), or so have I discovered. Most people would know that I used to flail around Day 1 and really not contribute anything of substance, instead, like you said, be annoying. I'm currently on the path to fix that.
I certainly have stopped tagging lurkers, because I don't see much worth of doing that Day 1 when a lot of people lurk anyway. I actually do agree that I am letting other people like Camo and Celever to an extent poke people around and I am simply gathering info from their pressures. I don't really do Day 1 well (see how often I get lynched Day 1 x-x), or so have I discovered. Most people would know that I used to flail around Day 1 and really not contribute anything of substance, instead, like you said, be annoying. I'm currently on the path to fix that.
Of course not. He is new scum.
Maybe you should have looked at the post where it says "VOTE: bbninjas" in big bold lettering to find the case? You really can't be having this much trouble following the thread when this was literally on the last page and you have quoted it since then... so you're either dumbtelling or intentionally trying to not respond to that which you do not have an answer to in the hopes that it goes away.
I'll give you a summary of it with even clearer wording:
- Planting your vote on me and not entertaining any new ideas. No, this is not the same as making reads instead of finding leads or whatever your last post was about, I'm talking about your tunneling today. Talk about someone else and don't just go with the majority opinion. A couple of other people have been brought up as scummy such as @mordacazir, so why haven't you posted your thoughts on them?
- Trying to carry on the argument at the beginning of the day after I clearly ended it by posting the conclusions that I've drawn from the whole charade, and then trying to lynch me because the argument was so incredibly anti-town. You were trying to bait me into looking scummy which is something that only scum have a reason to do.
- You're not playing as normal. Your excuse for this is weak. You've never been scum on this site, so none of us know your scum meta. What we do know is your town meta, and what you're currently doing definitely isn't this. FoL's games are also incredibly different to the ones here because of the much larger size and shorter deadlines found on FoL, so I actually don't think changing your playstyle on this forum to adapt to FoL's meta is a good idea, but that's just little ol' subjective me.
So, once again, your vote on me is because a) I'm tunneling on you b) I baited you into arguing and c) my playstyle is different.
This is false. How am I tunnelling? I am not convinced of my own arguments; in fact I have considered the tgk lynch and made a decision using analytical thinking. You, however, have insane tunnel vision on, and I'm sure multiple people can agree with me on this.
You did not "clearly end it", for starters. You also cannot just go and blame your arguing on me because I gave you "bait". If you are convinced that I baited you, why did you take the bait in the first place? Instead, it's the perfect excuse for a scum trying to deflect their actions onto another player.
Just because the other site's games are a different size and much shorter doesn't mean I haven't learn anything from it. You're incredibly narrow minded if you're town/highly opportunistic as scum voting someone adapting and changing their playstyle.
I'd like to see a few more votes on me if this "evidence" against me is as strong as you think it is.
Oh, just noticed you said that I haven't posted thoughts on people like mordacazir. I haven't noticed him as a scummy player, more just a confused newbie. Certainly not a good lynch for Day 1. The good lynches atm are you and tgk, but you are a better lynch overall from what I have analysed.
Regardless of the pointless argument between you and Celever, this is not something a towny should ever be saying. This seems more like over-confident scum.
I digress, as this is a common technique I personally use to prove my point when I feel like the opposition is just straight up ignoring me.
Honestly it just seems like sloppy play. I don't think it indicates faction.
Though apparently that technique is not good. *shrug* It often works for me.
I don't know why you're acting like you knew this all along when this was your summary of my case against you before my last post:
If you knew about it then the above is a dumbtell. If you didn't know about it, then acting like you did is lying, and Lynch All Liars...
You said in a post earlier that I was "all over the place" with who I was targeting. Now you are saying I have "insane tunnel vision". Those are literally exact opposites. Which is it?
I also don't understand what you mean here by you not being convinced of your own arguments. You mean you're literally bullshitting and you know this?
And you're tunnelling by not talking about anyone besides myself (and you made one post buddying TGK, I guess).
I haven't blamed my arguing on you. Actually I've been defending the argument I had because we skipped the most useless phase of the game (you said you find use in RVS, but I think 80% of the other players will find no value in it and usually the leads found are rather terrible). I didn't take your bait, by the way, and didn't say that I did. I took Camo's bait in initiating the argument (stating it was bait at the time) but you tried to essentially start another one when all the value we could have gotten from the discussion had already been gleamed. This doesn't mean you didn't bait me, though, and I think most people would also agree that you did (end of page 8 and page 9 are where the bait is and where I expose your bait, for reference).
And how is posting the conclusions you can draw from an argument not clearly ending it? You wouldn't put the conclusion of an essay in the middle of it...
OK, I can either take your word for it or I can look at seeing if you're being a deceptive scum. We don't know your scum meta, and what you're playing as right now could be it, hidden under a facade of amelioration caused by a game with a totally different meta. I didn't say you shouldn't learn from it under no circumstances, I just expressed concern at how well a playstyle from a completely different meta can translate to this site. It's similar to an OC playstyle translating to NOC; if you see me play OC you will see a totally different side of me because the games are so different, despite both being called werewolf. It's not being narrow minded, it's actually quite the inverse -- I'm thinking about every possibility.
KoN already called you out for this, but asking for votes on you is really stupid. People will draw their own connections and ideas from our discussion as more evidence piles up on you. I think most people consider you scummy in some way, just not enough to dethrone me from the pedestal of scumminess!
Oh actually I did get a little bit confused. I went back and checked and I thought you were baiting me with something over TGK as opposed to the argument early on. I don't really think you were baiting me there since you posted in the pre-game about policy lynching role players.
@Cypher333 can you please make a post that makes sense on the current situation since you refuse to participate?
I believe I responded to two of those three points before, so I asked that question in case there was something else.
You were all over the place before, although now you are tunnel visioning me and it is insane. So, both.
... I don't recall even writing "convinced". Basically all I mean is that I'm not bias to my own arguments and thus not putting opposing arguments aside.
What, tunneling now? Perhaps I'm talkign about you because you're attacking me?
I can't even see where you are coming from now; this is just ridiculous. I just decided to read around my first post for the game... and, well, I don't even say how that could've been bait tbh.
Look at it from my perspective, for once. I had justt arrived home from school camp to see the beginning of Day 1, where I was yet to post a thing. I see a bomb of an argument about roleplaying and notice that you were the main one. If you read the posts before, there was still talk about your arguing so I was adding my opinion to it. It's not like I was around to comment before then. You then quote me and start going on about how the roleplay was not distractive and yadida. Of course I'm going to see you as arguing further!
From what you're saying, this is not a very realistic argument and you're just grasping more straws. I could be town, trying to get better. I could be scum, trying to be deceptive. Because you are trying to give people as many reasons for finding me scum, so of course you are going to think the latter is the case. Basically your argument is a logical fallacy.
Please tell me you didn't just imply that you think you are scummy in that last sentence.[/quote]KoN already called you out for this, but asking for votes on you is really stupid. People will draw their own connections and ideas from our discussion as more evidence piles up on you. I think most people consider you scummy in some way, just not enough to dethrone me from the pedestal of scumminess!
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