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[Scattered mind]

Hey! I'm home from work and caught up the thread.

I don't understand how you can't follow what I saying? Celever was doing scummy things but I read him as town.
It all came back to the nonsense rolePlay business where he continued to do it even though everyone else. Scum wouldn't want to stick out like a sore thumb and draw unnesscary attention to themselves. That's dumb.
Plus the longer this day has drawn out the more I've town read him as his posts seem genuine.

I'm not defending him or anything I'm just saying that in my personal opinion I don't see him as scum, which is why I'm not voting him.

I'm not a fool, if I were scum with Celever id probably be pushing his lynch cos I would have read him as a lost cause with this number of votes on him.

Hmm reading back, that makes sense.

Celever is also super scummy I agree

I find Celever to be town, even though he acts as scummy as he does.

Celever is a town read through all of this mess,

I really felt like you and Celever are scum buddies but now I'm really not so sure.

 

[Yeowie]

I'm just gonna come here and give you guys my reads for the moment.

SCUM READS
@Celever - acting scummy, used rp (most likely as a slip cover) and has no proper evidence (that I have gathered) that supports him as town
@thegrovylekid - strangely absent. I don't remember why people think he's scum otherwise, but he said he was still there yet had nothing to contribute for 10-15 pages.
@mordacazir - flailing around without a care in the world. needs to defend himself rather than panic/flail.

BORDERLINE
naturally @Camoclone because of his playstyle.

DEFINITE TOWN READS
maybe @bbninjas who is contributing majorly and does not seem too scummy.
@Chaos Jackal , @Keeper of Night are in similar situation.

LESSER CONTRIBUTORS
@Squirtle Squad - somewhat towny but not contributing overly.
@scattered mind - '' ''
@simsands - is going by a more discussive playstyle rather than an argumentative one.
@Cypher333 - was missing for a bit, not too sure.

LOW CONTRIBUTORS
@Ice Espeon @GM DracLord
And I don't remember @Vom or @Jabberwock being too active; tell me if I'm wrong
@double o squirtle - posted a few things, but they're not that helpful

UNREADABLE
@PMJ and @Athena avoided D1.

 

[Keeper of Night]

@mordacazir is 100% the safest option.

Nah. TGK is the best option.

Oh, I agree.

So you don't really care who we lynch so long as it isn't you? Since everybody (including myself, according to you) is the best option.

 

[Scattered mind]

Lets look at all the current votes over Celever & tgk:

Please keep the roleplaying at a extremely minimal, it's just that nonsense chatter Day 1 is already much distracting to include excessive roleplay to the equation will be tons of "rubbish". Do consider others who don't have the luxury to rummage through the pile

On other note
##DISTRACT: Celever

Policy lynch. We have not heard from GM Drac until now. @GM DracLord what do you think about Celever now? what do you think about tgk? what do you think about in general?

I have to agree to policy lynch everyone who roleplays, TBH. It's absurdly scummy because you simply can't analyze a post properly. If @Reinforce doesn't forbid it, I'll either push for their lynches or get lynched trying; and if I don't manage to do it I'd be happier than ever to be taken out of this game, since it would be heavily advantageous to scum and extremely unfair.

##Vote: TheGrovyleKid

LynchAllRolePlayers (LARP

Policy lynch but later on he said he keeps his vote in light of the new evidences against tgk.

Well, well, we already have an argument. About roleplaying. And people decided to continue a highly useless, distractful argument. Celever mostly, although somewhat tgk and Luis. Camo is looking townie to me because he has ignored and purposely chosen not to continue with Celever's argumentative posting, which is a distraction from the game we're actually playing. I'd also like to point out that you can't lynch people based on their opinion of roleplaying in a non-RPG game, so Camo is entirely right in saying that Celever is grasping for straws. Best lead so far; so VOTE: Celever.

About the RP issue. For another reason, look for : the bb-Celever long posts.

Celever now. "Slipping" by revealing his role as Bidoof seems... quite silly, frankly. Bidoof's speech pattern is so annoying (or cute/funny/w/e, not gonna assault your opinions on this) that most people who have played PMD can instantly recognize it. Going for something a bit more subtle, like Sunflora's "Oh my gosh" would have been more likely, since that quote can actually fit a bit more and could actually have a small chance to stay unnoticed, at least for a couple pages (still a small chance). Celever however, didn't heavily hint on Bidoof, he was so obvious he could as well have posted it on reddit for everyone to see. And he picked Bidoof of all characters to do such an obvious imitation. Bidoof, the innocent rookie who is glad he is actually useful once in a blue moon. Surely, such a thing would never be scum now, would it?

The problem I find with my own argument is that I actually believe Celever capable of doing this detrimental move just because he thought it would be funny. It's entirely likely that he didn't give a moment's thought about how good of a safeclaim Bidoof could be or how obvious RP'ing Bidoof is and just went for it because he could.

Nobody has claimed Bidoof, so it's quite possible that Celever is telling the truth about who he is. Still not sure about what he is though. Seeing as this is WW, it's entirely possible that Bidoof, bored with always being the village idiot, finally decides to step up and take a mean revenge on all those who have laughed at him. Or it's a safe claim (unlikely, I'd expect Bidoof to be a role, but still) and Celever uses it to promote his Day 1 flavor claim, which I wonder how many games it will take for him to realize is a bad move (I'd write a paragraph explaining why claiming is worse the earlier it is in the game, but that's not the topic) and appear townie. Or he simply did what I fear he did, a pointless and completely unprovoked mistake, and he's a townie.

It turns into the typical Day 1 Celever lynch, but there are so many things wrong with this reveal that I can't drop it entirely on Celever making bad plays.

##VOTE: Celever

The weird claim slip issue. Celever did a similar thing last game by revealing his role name without any pressure whatsoever and yet he was town.

I agree with thegrovylekid that bidoof is a great alibi for scum so:
##Alibi: Celever

Bandwagon.

##UNVOTE: CELEVER
##VOTE: THEGROVYLEKID

Backpedalling issue.

I agree, no one just keeps track of votes and unvotes like that.
But what classic new scum backpedal tactic are you talking about? I think I missed it.
This is OMGUS, and, added to the above facts, possibly means scum.

##UNVOTE: Celever
##VOTE: thegrovylekid

The backpedalling issue + the OMGUS issue

Camo's got a point here.

Backpedaling again, I know, but it's what I do.
##Un-Leaf Blade: Camoclone
##Leaf Blade: Celever

err, what?

##unvote: bbninjas
##vote: thegrovylekid

all of those posts you made around the time of that vote count prior to your role reveal were so dodgy. Also in the role playing era of pgs3-12 you were the first to stop role playing (which was a good thing for the sanity of the town) though it is also what scum would do to fit in (this is obviously a lame reason) but your overall scumminess is a lynchable offence.

As for your role claim, I've made posts about it prior, but Jailer can easily be scum, and your second ability could easily have the town and non town effects switched around.
So yeah, you're my vote for now.

Role claim is possibly scummy.

##ICE BEAM:Celever

Ignoring my request for explanation of his vague case on me, in addition to ignoring my question about SS (might be his scum buddy) by making a huge argument with bbninjas which is basically over nothing. Why can he talk so much about his case on bbninjas and not on my case? That's also an interesting question.

My suspicion was that Celever and SS are scumbuddies + Celever not going to answer my post where I told him to move on and instead went for a long pointless argument with bb which looked dodgy to me.

I observed the bb/Celv argument to each and every word... Both of them seem really scummy, but it's a matter of opinion to figure out which one of them actually is scum, because I am convinced that they as both scum wouldn't have an argument over that. I will decide that Celever is the better vote in this case, for the reason that I believe he was trying to get out of looking scummy by using roleplay. That such concept was mentioned over and over during the rp argument and I didn't think it was very viable, but now I think of it more and Celever looks like he feel right out of character in this bb argument and became so aggressive and pressuring. He hasn't pushed for a lynch on bbninjas but it was all subliminally put into his posts and I'm sure Celever wants him dead. So, basically:

##ELIMINATE: Celever

The RP issue + The pointless argument with bb

So it comes down to which of either Celever or TGK give us more information after being lynched. If we lynch Celever and he flips scum, we have little to go off of after that other than TGK probably wouldn't be scum (and by extent, morda). But if we lynch TGK and he flips scum, then we can assume Celever is clear, and should probably look into morda afterwards.
If either flips town though, the other stands a chance of being lynched either way.

##UNVOTE: Celever
##VOTE: thegrovylekid

The "who's gonna give more info" issue, which is actually what this whole post is about

I'm putting my vote back on ##Vote:Celever

ok?

For once, we agree.
##Indifference:TGK

Bandwagon.

I feel like there are more reasons to lynch tgk. Plus, he is not posting anymore and that is very scummy imo.

The question is, how much info can we get? The way I see it, it's kind of equal. SO:

##UNVOTE: Celever
##STRIKE: Thegrovylekid

 

[Camoclone]

SM you don't understand the post of mine you quoted.

 

[Scattered mind]

SM you don't understand the post of mine you quoted.

I think this was when the whole backpedalling issue began.

 

[Camoclone]

I think this was when the whole backpedalling issue began.

Nope. It has nothing to do with backpedaling.

 

[Celever]

So you don't really care who we lynch so long as it isn't you? Since everybody (including myself, according to you) is the best option.

No, mordacazir is the safest option but TGK is the best. Why is that difficult to understand and in any way different to what I said earlier?

Post thoughts on other players please, KoN, you haven't so far. Tunnelling is so scummy D1.

I'm just gonna come here and give you guys my reads for the moment.

SCUM READS
@Celever - acting scummy, used rp (most likely as a slip cover) and has no proper evidence (that I have gathered) that supports him as town

No one has any proper evidence to support them as town and where exactly is my slip which you said I covered with RP?

 

[thegrovylekid]

Can't I have school in peace, guys? -_-

Anyways, @Celever has been flopping around on who he says is the best lynch option. It's pretty much devolved into "I will support any wagon that isn't my own."

 

[Scattered mind]

Nope. It has nothing to do with backpedaling.

Right, it was about tgk noticing that the vote count did not include Luis' unvote. Which is another reason, so yeah.

 

[thegrovylekid]

Right, it was about tgk noticing that the vote count did not include Luis' unvote. Which is another reason, so yeah.

Is it really that bad to keep track of the amount of votes on you? It always seemed like the sensible thing to do to me...

 

[Celever]

Can't I have school in peace, guys? -_-

Anyways, @Celever has been flopping around on who he says is the best lynch option. It's pretty much devolved into "I will support any wagon that isn't my own."

Keep a note of this. When TGK flips scum, KoN is a good contender for buddy; they both just said the same untrue information in quick succession, so someone probably posted it in their scumchat.

Also I just checked the votecount again and my vote's still on mordacazir! I was sure I changed it

##UNVOTE: mordacazir ##YUPYUP: thegrovylekid

 

[Scattered mind]

Post thoughts on other players please, KoN, you haven't so far. Tunnelling is so scummy D1.

You do realize his current vote is on tgk, right?

 

[Celever]

Is it really that bad to keep track of the amount of votes on you? It always seemed like the sensible thing to do to me...

Yes, when there are daily votecounts. It shows major paranoia, which isn't something townies have.

 

[Celever]

You do realize his current vote is on tgk, right?

With no evidence or reasoning associated with his vote. He's still tunnelling me.

 

[thegrovylekid]

With no evidence or reasoning associated with his vote. He's still tunnelling me.

If he was truly tunneling you he'd have his vote on your right now.

 

[Camoclone]

UNVOTE: THEGROVYLEKID

If you hammer I will pursue you to no end tomorrow.

 

[Scattered mind]

Is it really that bad to keep track of the amount of votes on you? It always seemed like the sensible thing to do to me...

Noticing that someone has unvoted you and that it doesn't appear on the vote count, shows a little sense of panic. It's not a strong reason imo but it's certainly not the only one.

 

[Celever]

If he was truly tunneling you he'd have his vote on your right now.

Not at all; he's not pressured or posted about anyone besides me for more than a sentence or two. It doesn't matter who his vote is on, because his posts are what we have to read him on.

UNVOTE: THEGROVYLEKID

If you hammer I will pursue you to no end tomorrow.

Shit, he was at L-2? Sorry, I usually check before I place a vote. Sloppiness, I know x_x

 

[Camoclone]

I didnt count but he is really close.