And you're assuming that safe-claims wouldn't differ at all from actual roles? All it could imply is he sticks around in some form. I only brought it up as a possibility.
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I know! I said I didn't think that Spinda had Tangled Feet, as in it's definitely not something which would come to mind@Celever Spinda's in game abilities are Own Tempo and Tangled Feet
. It just doesn't make sense to me that someone would think of Spinda before thinking about all of the bird Pokemon it could be first (or even googling it -- why do it from memory?). It also doesn't make sense that they did google it and they didn't remember that Chatot is a major character in the game, because there have been plenty of updates which they have features in as a character (though not all characters in updates are roles, but I digress).Tangled Feet is quite iconic to various birds, and making a silly assumption by not doing research is a pretty notable slip as far as I'm concerned.
I know! I said I didn't think that Spinda had Tangled Feet, as in it's definitely not something which would come to mind
Tangled Feet is quite iconic to various birds, and making a silly assumption by not doing research is a pretty notable slip as far as I'm concerned.
I think it's the "stumble around randomly like a drunk" part that gives it away.Camoclone said:
Maybe, though all Pokemon with Tangled Feet will stumble around randomly like a drunk when they try to walk. That's the point of the abilityI think it's the "stumble around randomly like a drunk" part that gives it away.
No, the ability raises evasion when confused. None of the other Pokemon with the ability stumble around.Maybe, though all Pokemon with Tangled Feet will stumble around randomly like a drunk when they try to walk. That's the point of the ability
The flavour of the ability is that they stumble around if they try to walk though. That's why Spinda gets it. It's a reference to how some bird Pokemon walk (with small unstable steps; in Japanese it's called Tottering Steps) so I think it applies to Chatot just fine.
Regardless, do you really think that the ability might be on a townie? The town is already very powerful with a lot of informative roles and even a safety net (my ability) if we start doing a bit badly. As such, it makes total sense, in this game especially, for a scum to have a role like that to make them immune to the power of the town. The scum don't seem to have very powerful roles (not even all or possibly many of them have night actions according to Yeowie's report, unless 4 of the 5 on there really are mafia which would be a totally broken role) so we wouldn't need this on a townie.
We also know that Camo has a night action thanks to Yeowie's report, so both being immune to all abilities AND having a presumably decent night action since Camo was enraged at being outed on one player is insanely insanely powerful. Like really, it's entering indie territory, though I could also see it on scum since this is a high power game. Either way it's too strong for a townie. It just wouldn't make sense in terms of game balance.
I think this makes sense and is a good point. This makes me more inclined to let Jabber stick around for a while to see what he actually thinks, as I'm aware that this encouragement of "ignore X" has been a useful kickstarter in the past. Though then apparently his best vote was Camo, which just confuses this whole thought for me. >_> <_<
I don't think what you saying is very fair. Quote Jabberwock: "I reckon I understand enough of the game to know how most new players play. There were a few in Melee, and I've gone back to look through older threads, and I can get a general idea from how the rest of you imply new players play.". Sure, anyone can do that, but looking up how a new player plays is quite odd and can easily be caused by scum trying to blend in and/or getting advice. Jabber was also doing scummy things by that time, hence why this conclusion made more sense and why I voiced my opinion on it.
I'm a bit confused where you pulled this statement from, tbh, considering no scum have flipped...
Only 5 players used an action on N1 (well, with Yeowie it was 6) and mordacazir is also probably not scum. Maximum scum with night actions would be 4, but that'd make Yeowie's role totally broken, so it's much more likely that only 1 or even 2 scum have night actions... which seems really weak.
Or that, you know, they just chose not to use them/forgot them/couldn't use them. I myself have a restriction on my ability usage.
Celever, we're talking PMD, and a drunk walker is mentioned. The identity of the guy is about as obvious as that of the guy who says "Yup yup" all the time. And stop trying to hang everything on Camo, it's getting boring. Camo never oppressed Jabberwock. It's a forum game, if someone needs to say something, they can do it. Nobody prevents them from talking by interrupting them. Jabberwock could write one good post instead of five meaningless ones. Don't get me wrong, I'm nowhere near convinced that Camo is town. But again, those reasons make no sense. The only real reason so far is his ability.
And you wanna talk about broken abilities, talk about that Eternal Ghost. This is seriously one of the most broken abilities I've seen in a game if it's true. It basically gives the town an immune confotown and a definitely innocent vote. Jabberwock's posts are quite incriminating, but this... this is something else. Worse, it actually fits with the hint of living forever in the flavor (damn Duskull and his quotes), so I find it hard to completely disregard it.
##VOTE: TheFlyingPidove
Quote bbninjas' list. Safest lynch option right now.
Celever, we're talking PMD, and a drunk walker is mentioned. The identity of the guy is about as obvious as that of the guy who says "Yup yup" all the time. And stop trying to hang everything on Camo, it's getting boring. Camo never oppressed Jabberwock. It's a forum game, if someone needs to say something, they can do it. Nobody prevents them from talking by interrupting them. Jabberwock could write one good post instead of five meaningless ones. Don't get me wrong, I'm nowhere near convinced that Camo is town. But again, those reasons make no sense. The only real reason so far is his ability.
And you wanna talk about broken abilities, talk about that Eternal Ghost. This is seriously one of the most broken abilities I've seen in a game if it's true. It basically gives the town an immune confotown and a definitely innocent vote. Jabberwock's posts are quite incriminating, but this... this is something else. Worse, it actually fits with the hint of living forever in the flavor (damn Duskull and his quotes), so I find it hard to completely disregard it.
##VOTE: TheFlyingPidove
Quote bbninjas' list. Safest lynch option right now.
There's also probably some day actions as well, since Yeowie was able to scout for ability usage during the day, as well.
Maybe his focus was on Camo because every time he spoke in thread Camo felt the need to attract his attention? Might mean he didn't formulate reads on other players as actively as he ideally would have otherwise done.
I can see why you think it's a good point, but it just doesn't convince me. You're still saying that Jabberwock is scum for, if we believe him, taking the time out to look through older threads (most likely before Melee since I seem to recall him mentioning something similar in that game) to make sure he's not lynched. That just doesn't make sense to me. It's possible scum coaching, sure, but it's more likely to just be good werewolf initiative IMO.
Scum don't forget to use abilities; they have a QT to remind them to do so, and nights are 3 days long in this game I think, which is more than plenty of time.
The first time Jabber tried to help out Camo told him he was "being coached" and threw immediate suspicion on him. I just don't think this helps our cause and it makes him disheartened and not want to continue trying to contribute, which is the point I was trying to make to bb about his whole "possible scum coaching" scumtells too.
Quite similar to Slowking in Teal's game, right? Town inno child who was essentially immune to the nightkill for 3 days, though only because they were going to die on Night 3 anyway. Sure, Duskull is a confirmed town voice if he gets lynched which is really useful to have around, but townies are wrong a lot, so I don't see it as being any more useful than townies dishing out a reads post a couple hours before they get, for whatever reason, lynched.
Probably one or two, but because Yeowie could scout for ability usage during the day as well, it means that there still can't be huge amounts of scum with day actions, or at the very least it'd have to be relative to the amount of town abilities during the day. How often you can use abilities in this game does seem to be somewhat restricted (I can of course only use my ability once and when 2 townies are lynched in a row, which is a good example) but scum having these restrictions are a lot more swingy.
Here is my ability is use on night one.
Special Ability: The Power of Friendship
Your sense for friendship can’t be fooled by illusions. Every odd-numbered night (Night 1, Night 3 etc.), you will learn the name of a player. You know that the player is NOT a member of Wigglytuff Guild, though you can’t determine their exact alignment or role.
I learned because of this that Squirtle Squad isn't a member of Wigglytuff Guild.
Why should a scum have this ability? That doesn't help them at all.
Special Ability: The Power of Friendship
Your sense for friendship can’t be fooled by illusions. Every odd-numbered night (Night 1, Night 3 etc.), you will learn the name of a player. You know that the player is NOT a member of Wigglytuff Guild, though you can’t determine their exact alignment or role.
I learned because of this that Squirtle Squad isn't a member of Wigglytuff Guild.
Why should a scum have this ability? That doesn't help them at all.
Well then... My time has come to be killed by the scums during the night, but please everyone, we need to vote on a scum this day...
Wigglytuff
Alignment: Town
You are Wigglytuff, the Guildmaster of the Wigglytuff Guild. Due to your status, you have ‘special’ privileges. You are always jolly and super friendly, although a little child-like and eccentric. Still, everyone respects you as an amazing Explorer and you can be perceptive and relied on in times of crisis.
Special Ability: The Guildmaster
Because of everyone’s ingrained respect for you, it won’t be easy to vote for your demise. In order for you to be lynched, the vote count must reach the majority set for that Day. If not, the Day will simply end with no lynch.
Special Ability: The Power of Friendship
Your sense for friendship can’t be fooled by illusions. Every odd-numbered night (Night 1, Night 3 etc.), you will learn the name of a player. You know that the player is NOT a member of Wigglytuff Guild, though you can’t determine their exact alignment or role.
Passive Ability: Cute Charm
If you land on the same Dungeon Tile as another player/s, the following scenarios will occur:
1) If it’s an Item Tile, you will automatically get the Item.
2) If it’s a Trap Tile, it will automatically take effect on the other player/s.
Win Condition: Eliminate all non-Town aligned players
Alignment: Town
You are Wigglytuff, the Guildmaster of the Wigglytuff Guild. Due to your status, you have ‘special’ privileges. You are always jolly and super friendly, although a little child-like and eccentric. Still, everyone respects you as an amazing Explorer and you can be perceptive and relied on in times of crisis.
Special Ability: The Guildmaster
Because of everyone’s ingrained respect for you, it won’t be easy to vote for your demise. In order for you to be lynched, the vote count must reach the majority set for that Day. If not, the Day will simply end with no lynch.
Special Ability: The Power of Friendship
Your sense for friendship can’t be fooled by illusions. Every odd-numbered night (Night 1, Night 3 etc.), you will learn the name of a player. You know that the player is NOT a member of Wigglytuff Guild, though you can’t determine their exact alignment or role.
Passive Ability: Cute Charm
If you land on the same Dungeon Tile as another player/s, the following scenarios will occur:
1) If it’s an Item Tile, you will automatically get the Item.
2) If it’s a Trap Tile, it will automatically take effect on the other player/s.
Win Condition: Eliminate all non-Town aligned players
So, either basically the rest of the players who have yet to claim are members of the guild (or have safe claims saying they are), or that ability is laughably underpowered. The only other person who has claimed being part of the guild is Celever... Though it could potentially be used to weed out some safe claims.
Hey, @TheFlyingPidove, that's not what Celever asked!
Hey, @TheFlyingPidove, that's not what Celever asked!
Look... If I was hosting I'd make wigglystuff a safe claim cos that's fun to do.
The wording on the second ability weirds me...
This whole role could easily be a safe claim
Personally I'm for a Camo lynch... He's got the scummiest ability.
The wording on the second ability weirds me...
This whole role could easily be a safe claim
Personally I'm for a Camo lynch... He's got the scummiest ability.
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