Finished Werewolf XXXI: Grima's Rebirth - GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!

[Luispipe8]

@Vom, @Keeper of Night, can you confirm your completely out of line prohibition...?

 

[Reinforce]

The scum win condition that we know makes it easy for us to be back-stabbed. Assuming that both factions have that win condition.

This is just silly.

How so? It's obvious that you already can lynch me anytime you want. If I back-stab you today, obviously I have no reason to protest you lynching me tomorrow. Of course if you'd rather first lynch the guy who can just check on you rather than the guy who could possibly kill you while you're asleep, be my guest.

LOL I just think of it as a limiting challenge.

 

[Scattered mind]

Isn't that called WIFOM?

 

[Reinforce]

Actually, more of a misunderstanding, but w/e.

You want to dwell and focus on that instead of the other major stuff we're discussing, that's up to you.

 

[Professor Palutena]

The hosts have forbidden me from directly disclosing the scum's names. Though, they didn't say that I could not subtly hint at it. Or that I can "nudge" you guys to deduce it yourselves. ...Yet.

If you can't say them out loud, then you've got no reason to stay around.

Win Condition: Eliminate all non town-aligned players.

Since he's Grima, and we know Grima's role, we know he's not town aligned.

Why are we even hesitating on this?

We know from simsands and Jabberwock's role PM that the scum wincon is to outnumber Shepherds and eliminate the other scumteam. They can win with Reinforce. Town can't.

 

[Reinforce]

You /can/ win with the town. You don't exactly count for the town's wincon.

Anyway, I'm off to sleep now; work beckons tomorrow. See ya all; have fun discussing.

 

[Camoclone]

@Hosts can the role in the scroll win with the town win condition?

 

[Keeper of Night]

@Hosts can the role in the scroll win with the town win condition?

Any role that would win by surviving until the end of the game would in theory be able to win with (or over) whichever side caused the end of the game to happen.

Game Freeze anyway, you guys were quick with them votes.

 

[King Xerneas]

##Unvote
##Vote: Celever

 

[Vom]

GAME MELT!

That was a false alarm.

 

[Scattered mind]

##Unvote
##Vote: Celever

What? Why?

 

[Celever]

DW, I know what's happening and it's totally fine.

 

[Camoclone]

Any role that would win by surviving until the end of the game would in theory be able to win with (or over) whichever side caused the end of the game to happen.

So the town can win even if he is alive?

 

[quakingpunch73]

So the town can win even if he is alive?

Yup, seems like it.

 

[Scattered mind]

DW, I know what's happening and it's totally fine.

What is happening?

 

[Celever]

What is happening?

Something you don't need to know.

 

[King Xerneas]

##Unvote

 

[Professor Palutena]

So the town can win even if he is alive?

Seems like anyone can win with him alive.

That said, considering he's effectively been a third scumbuddy up to this point, I think it's obvious where his loyalties lie. Since he knows the remaining scum, he's been working with them up to this point (case in point, they aren't dead yet).

Something you don't need to know.

Then why do you get to know?

Did you have another Skype chat?

 

[Celever]

No, not another Skype chat.

Literally pursuing this line of questioning is useless. I'm confotown so you can trust what I say.

 

[Scattered mind]

Now that I think about it, its interesting how Celever quickly jumped to accuse and barrage Empoleon_master with all these questions, possibly as a way to cover for himself...
##unstinkeye: Empoleon_master
##PhoenixWrightOBJECTION: Celever

I see you scum

I still stand by that Celever is scum, I can just smell it.

I've been keeping a note of SS' biggest defenders. These are bb and Xerneas. After SS posted his claim, bb continued an attempt to save his buddy, which actually defied rationality and was an inconceivably huge stretch for an ordinarily analystic player.

Mark my words, one of bb and Xerneas is scum too.

##Unvote
##Vote: Celever

DW, I know what's happening and it's totally fine.

What is happening?

Something you don't need to know.

##Unvote

The illogical things you allow yourself to do when you are confirmed town...

I read him as town largely because I read Jabberwock as indie. He said he gave Second Seals to both Jabberwock and Celever, which both of them confirmed. This kind of role would not be good on scum because they could just pass the seals around to each other and screw everyone else over; the fact that this possibility exists is enough for me to see him as town. If Jabberwock flips scum (not town or indie), I'll go back and look at his posts in more detail, but until then he's confirmed in my eyes.

PMJ on TGK.
So what do you think now?