Might as well add some pressure
##CarrotMunch: mordacazir
##CarrotMunch: mordacazir
Finished Werewolf XXXI: Grima's Rebirth - GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!
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I've been waiting for my results, yet morda has failed to deliver and is seemingly scum at this point. Grimleal members are also priority over Valmese because we get an extra day before Endgame if we can lynch a Grimleal now. I'm seeing morda as a Grimleal now rather than a Shepard or Valmese, so... ##FutureSight: mordacazir
@mordacazir, the last time you were called out for disappearing after pressure was lifted, you were sleeping in a different timezone. That doesn't work this time, for the reason Professor Palutena stated, and I quoted.
Please do post your results. ##VOTE: MORDACAZIR
Majoriy is 9.
@Keeper of Night and @Vom, could we get a midday vote count. A lot of us are curious on what the L-X of @mordacazir is, and some, like Camo, won't do much unless there is a vote count.
Before we lynch morda :
- @bbninjas still wants to give his case
-I want to hear from @Camoclone more and answer to my explanation to Celever's "contradiction".
-@Vracken needs to say something.
- @bbninjas still wants to give his case
-@Celever wants to build a case on me.
-I want to hear from @Camoclone more and answer to my explanation to Celever's "contradiction".
-@Vracken needs to say something.
Guys, I made a mistake with @mordacazir . He was silenced, but apparently the 'Post Reply' button didn't work, or I exited the page too quickly, etc. Either way, it resulted in him being informed he had been silenced too late, as he had already posted in the thread. I sincerely apologize for my mistake, but what's done is done. As you were.
P.S: A vote count is on its way, though at a snails' speed. Dx
P.S: A vote count is on its way, though at a snails' speed. Dx
Seriously, I don't get why people are so easy on the vote button with all the double votes. Until the day is not about to end and there is still something to talk about you don't have a reason to mass vote.
Here, have a vote count.
Reinforce (0):[thegrovylekid (Vote)]
scattered mind (3): [Celever (Vote)] [bbninjas (Vote)][quakingpunch73 (Vote)]
Celever (1): [Camoclone (Vote)][Professor Palutena (Vote)]
Mordacazir (6): [Professor Palutena (Vote)] [thegrovylekid (Vote)] [King Xerneas (Vote)] [quakingpunch (Vote)] [Jabberwock (Vote)]
Takes 10 to hammer.
- All names are in chronological order (both the voters and the voted). The number in parenthesis after a non-voter's name is the current vote total they have.
- The voters' names are in the brackets and the post they made that vote in is in parenthesis, you can click on it to go to that post.
- If the voter is struck out, it means they unvoted that player, you can click on the name to go to the post in which they unvoted (clicking on the post in parenthesis will still take you to the post in which they voted).
- The player whose name is tagged and followed by a number in parenthesis is the one with the most votes and is the one lynched.
- There are 17 players, so for the Day to end with a majority lynch, it would take 9 votes, unless there are any modifiers.
- The voter whose name is bolded and underlined is the one who hammered the lynch, if applicable.
Reinforce (0):
scattered mind (3): [Celever (Vote)] [bbninjas (Vote)]
Celever (1): [Camoclone (Vote)]
Mordacazir (6): [Professor Palutena (Vote)] [thegrovylekid (Vote)] [King Xerneas (Vote)] [quakingpunch (Vote)] [Jabberwock (Vote)]
Takes 10 to hammer.
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That count has no errors.
Was going to say that the Morda lynch is fine, but then he's been silenced, which means there'll be much less to get out of the lynch.
Also checking Celever is not really a good idea, as we've already got a decent amount of information on him - and certainly enough to build a case from. PMJ, PP or SM, or someone else with like no information on them, would be the best use of a scan.
I'll try to make that case tonight, but no promises.
Analysis on Luis; Case made in next post
Voting the host is probably the safest RVS vote you can make as scum, as you're not risking the player you're voting to gain suspicion (if it's a scumbuddy) but you're also removing any links to players town or scum.
Focuses on EM (which you'll see is a recurring theme). Also casts suspicions on Camo and Celever, which although can be a townie action, this is always a good thing for the scum as it helps build a potential Day 1/Day 2 lynch on two prominent figures in PB's WW.
This was made about midway through Day 1. Luis not having anything to contribute is... interesting.
Luis is responding to Celever poking him basically saying the same things as I said just above. Conveniently, Luis never ended up posting his thoughts.
Justifying a SS lynch that inevitably would turn out as town? This was adding to Camo's post that basically commented on SS not giving reads and using AtE for his selfvote.
Is a neutral hammer, as SS would have been lynched that day by that point. Also focuses on EM.
More focusing on EM. This is a fairly neutral post, and is probably driven by irritation over alignment.
More EM commentary. The second line was responding to Vom. I'd normally say this is active lurking, but it was the end of Day 1, so there wasn't really much else to comment on.
Giving announcer speculation is good for looking pro-town. Also, Luis did comment on morda later on which is good at least. x.xIf SS hadn't been lynched yesterday, I'd say the announcer is him. It strikes me as either him or e_m.
Anyways, I'll read that cases on Morda and TGK and come back tomorrow, I hope.
Focuses on EM.
Fair defense for shooting down inactivity charges.
Nice for Luis to mention this *now*. Anyways, is definitely piggybacking off other's reads.
A bit of a tangent, but this is plausible buddying with Luis. [Future reference.]
Not sure what Luis is going on about in regards to the trolling. Links to Morda's reads: [link] [link]. I think giving a Morda vote primarily because of the "right now" (which is 90% likely just a misunderstanding) and biasness (which is subjective, though perhaps somewhat likely) is odd. Eitherway, is piggybacking and/or going for the easy vote. Funny how he doesn't mention anything on TGK, since only a few people were focusing on him compared to morda at the time.And I finally caught up. :v That got a bit absurd with the lie detector thing. Now, I honestly see Camo's way of posting is less prone to "trolling" from the GM's, so I'll post that in a bit.
About the morda thing, he could mean that Camo was away thus not helping out? IDK, the "right now" is what's throwing me off. I do, however, see scummy the "bias" he showed in his reads, as Jabber pointed out.
##Vote: Mordacazir
Ps.: Has Camo ever spelled Morda's name correctly? I swear I've seen "mordacIzir" more than once already.
This is, uh, weird? Suggesting hosts of trolling is a weird suggestion, but even going to the extent of thinking about options if that is the case confuses me.
I'm leaning to the prediction that Luis is scum and knew that I was town, which explains why he didn't (publicly) consider me being scum. Also this exchange could suggest that Luis is not on simsands' team, although it could have been staged.
Calling out inactives is an easy way for scum to look like they are participating.
Another response to EM.
Obviously if Luis is scum he would have known that I was town and thus I was telling the truth that simsands is scum. Knowing this, I'd say Luis would have probably been wanting to get the lynch on simsands over and done with in case the tides turned and someone casted major suspicion my results. EM likely would have been policy lynched another day, and Luis would have known that. Granted, I had a similar reaction to Luis when people were seriously considering policy lynching EM, but I think this above scenario is certainly a plausible presumption.
Focusing on EM.
Focusing on EM again. Possibly wanting to blend in as the tides were changing to EM. Also looks like a very irritation-drived post, so fairly neutral again.
Quick to believe perhaps?
Focusing on EM.
Focusing on EM. And then EM ended up getting modkilled so no more focusing on him, which is good.
Probably the first townier thing he's really done.
Piggybacking again. Plausible defense to inactivity, maybe slightly aggressive (though Luis sometimes does aggressive in his defenses).
Was inactivity the only thing Luis was accused for? He seems to be focusing a lot on trying to get his point across.
Casting suspicion on common nks with WIFOM reasoning is certainly something scum like to do. Heck, I was going to push for Camo's lynch for this reason last game, except I got lynched first. xD
I'm unsure why lynching Celever because he is hiding something is pro-town. Also same case for me.
WIFOM
I'd say the quoting notified him to get back in the game, hence the post. Having no contribution is not great though.I do, ninjas. How wouldn't I?
TBH I'm still not sure on who to vote. I'll meditate things with the pillow and hopefully I'll have something tomorrow.
More piggy-backing.
Case on @Luispipe8
Right, so here's the major scummy things of Luis:
Potential buddying with morda and Jabber
Anyways, I hope that's pretty self-explanatory. Now that I've made the analysis, I think this case is much stronger than the one on morda, as his case is more based on a "his role could easily be scum", where the role could just as easily be town.
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Luispipe8
Right, so here's the major scummy things of Luis:
- Focusing unhealthily on Empoleon_master
- Lacking proper comment on the major lynch options unless it is morda
- Piggy-backing
- Planting seeds of suspicion
- Active-lurking
- Wanting for simsands' head and questioning little (i.e. has insider information that I'm town)
- WIFOMy suspicions
- Adamant on getting his point across that inactivity is out of his control
Potential buddying with morda and Jabber
Anyways, I hope that's pretty self-explanatory. Now that I've made the analysis, I think this case is much stronger than the one on morda, as his case is more based on a "his role could easily be scum", where the role could just as easily be town.
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Luispipe8
Eh, I think you're exaggerating a bit. That's certainly not an unhealthy amount of posts talking about EM, especially percentage wise which is the only fair way to check for tunnelling and focus on one player. Active lurking isn't scummy IMO; he's playing on a phone, so posts are tedious to make.
The other points are all fairly subjective and depend on how you bend his statements. I thought the comment about the "first townie thing he'd done this game" being on Day 4 was interesting. He's contributed before then, but because you think he's scum, you can create a subconscious bias which makes all his actions seem scummuer to you than they really are.
I could do the same as that post with a lot of players itg. At least Luis had been posting more than some of my scum reads, though the downside is you now have more "evidence" to use against him.
The other points are all fairly subjective and depend on how you bend his statements. I thought the comment about the "first townie thing he'd done this game" being on Day 4 was interesting. He's contributed before then, but because you think he's scum, you can create a subconscious bias which makes all his actions seem scummuer to you than they really are.
I could do the same as that post with a lot of players itg. At least Luis had been posting more than some of my scum reads, though the downside is you now have more "evidence" to use against him.
You sure? Look at the whole picture. Luis solely focusing on one or two players and lacking major comment on everything else for four days is certainly odd. And he doesn't have an excuse - he made bigger posts when commenting on EM. Besides, popping in to say "EM, you're making no sense" or "EM, you're doing that wrong" is not even putting on pressure. I think you were one of two people who thought EM was legitimately scum - everyone else was calling for a policy lynch iirc, so tunneling/pressuring doesn't even make sense.
Active lurking is a sign of a lazy town or a scum trying to fit in without scumhunting. Sure, lack of computer can contribute, but he has commented sufficiently on other aspects of the game.
All of them? Uh, no. I'll wait until Luis responds before I explain why the points are valid. In regards to his contributions; they are mostly all piggybacking or saying "you make no sense".
A lot is an overstatement, but yes there are other players that I'd say are active-lurking, piggy-backing, and possibly focusing. Also, I don't see why posting more is so important, because that's not what the evidence is...
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