I'm assuming he's talking about how 10 year old Ricken can fall in love with characters in their 20s. Strictly flavor reasons.
But that's Fire Emblem for you!
Finished Werewolf XXXI: Grima's Rebirth - GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!
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But that's Fire Emblem for you!
That's not what I was asking about.
I say RF is too much of a threat to keep him around. If he really was on the towns side he would've outed scum. Plus Rightful God could completely allow for town to be wiped out very easily. Either way he'll be betraying a side and he's as good as dead.
@Camoclone, an ability like Palutena's is too hard to fake in any capacity. That's why I unvoted him. For now he is cleared in my eyes. @King Xerneas brings up a good point. @Reinforce, why should we keep you around? What's one good reason to?
An ability like Palutena's would require at least one townie with an ability that is fakeable in any capacity to be dead. After that, he'd need to make sure that a tracker/watcher wasn't looking at him, luckily we watched, and his ability matched up with my results. And if this was a safeclaim, Healer's ability would be a lot easier to fake.
Is RF close to a hammer? Or should we just wait out the few hours left.
@King Xerneas, If it were up to me, I'd wait it out just to see RF's response to everything that's happened so far, and maybe get more info
That's if he responds. He knows he's been backed into a corner.
I believe the last vote count had Reinforce with 3 votes on him. Celever just added another one so we're at 4.
The lynch takes 7 so he's at L-3.
The lynch takes 7 so he's at L-3.
Vracken
Just a Ghost of the Past
I am not sold on the Reinforce lynch, I don't want to trust him, but the loss of bbninjas was a blow, and now we have no seer, or at least if we do they have not come forward. I would prefer if he were to tell us what he knows, but that doesn't seem like it is going to happen. In the end, if he isn't going to help, then I guess it essentially is a safe lynch, but I still am iffy on it.
Also, TDK case coming up soon. I am not sure who I am going to work on afterwards, requests would be nice since I worry I have tunneled too much.
Also, TDK case coming up soon. I am not sure who I am going to work on afterwards, requests would be nice since I worry I have tunneled too much.
Vracken
Just a Ghost of the Past
TDK’s Case
Nothing of note Posts.
Post 100, Post 103, Post 105, Post 110, Post 112, Post 114, Post 118, Post 236, Post 245, Post 332, Post 340, Post 388, Post 539, Post 654, Post 714, Post 729, Post 752, Post 753, Post 771, Post 772, Post 773, Post 779, Post 780, Post 781, Post 868, Post 871, Post 1003, Post 1048, Post 1103, Post 1188, Post 1215, Post 1320, Post 1368, Post 1370, Post 1387, Post 1580, Post 1673, Post 1704, Post 1713, Post 1890, Post 1894, Post 2031, Post 2054, Post 2077
Vote Count Post 184
Post 281
TDK jumps on the Squirtle Squad bandwagon saying that Camoclone is making sense, and that it is strange, but fails to elaborate on this fact, which is scummy in my opinion, especially when Camoclone starts calling others out on it, and even more so after mordacazir was more or less roasted for joining the bandwagon. Personally I thought Camoclone was just trying to catch people out (since the point he made didn’t really seem that strong), which was smart and really cool, but I am not a fan of that play style personally, if that is what he was going for. Otherwise he might have just seen something I missed and others jumped on either Camoclones experience or they saw what he saw.
Post 311
Wow, this was a super early claim to make, and it is very suspicious, I mean sure there weren’t great targets for a lynch at this point, but the game had only just started and this feels like a very bold claim.
Vote Count Post 323
Post 330
Searching for double vote weight, at the time I didn’t see this as scummy, but with hindsight I kinda do (I understand that I also did this, I regret that now). I can also see it not being since scum should be able to determine it themselves. Over all I still don’t think it is bad per say, but I don’t think it really benefits anyone to talk about it.
Post 342 Note
Not really anything to talk about, but here for future reference
Post 344
Fair defense of himself, could be seen as a little over bearing, but I may be biased just because of the size of the post and the double explanation looking a little like a fear response trying harder than one should to protect themselves when there really isn’t a huge amount on them. This is pretty shaky though, don’t put too much stock in it.
Vote Count Post 411
Post 438
Possible appeal to something with the “took twenty minutes to type”. Not inherently aligned, but still something to say that would likely get no sympathy from the more hard-line players
Post 444
Could be feigning ignorance? Weak argument though
Post 448
Admission of guilt, although the guilt is nothing bad, instead the important part of this is TDK admitting to panicking which in itself raising warning flags at least in theory, in practise I can understand why one would be afraid particularly when people are reaching at straws, anything can seem anti-town. However TDK started panicking really early, when there was no real threat on him. Also, he looks to immediately point fingers at Jabberwock for doing something he just did earlier (and still is doing) which is also a flag raiser in my opinion.
Post 454
Analysis of Squirtle Squad, only really two parts I find notable, firstly the hypocrisy with the not giving any sort of reasoning which TDK just did in regards to Jabberwock. Not inherently aligned but something noteworthy to point out. Secondly his appeal to emotion claims, which I don’t agree with, but whatever, maybe it has a different meaning to people here (which is why I call it appeal to something). Finally, I don’t like the “How convenient” line, people have things to do, things go wrong etc, and posting that sarcastically just makes you look kinda like a jerk.
Vote Count Post 557
Post 569
Points out that mordacazir bandwagon hard. Just a reminder so did TDK.
Post 575
Admits to having weak reasoning, which I find to be a little scummy personally. Keeps looking to the past game as an excuse, the more times he repeats it, the weaker it feels, as if he is really trying to convince us, but I just don’t buy it because it was said so many times.
Post 588
Maybe another appeal? I am not so sure how to feel about this post.
Post 621
Just a lore/flavour post. Other people have said this indicates scum, but to be honest, posts like this one are actually really helpful to people who don’t know anything about Fire Emblem.
Post 626
Calls out another for bandwagoning
Post 641
Interesting, answering to a role fish (or ability or skill or whatever, I use them pretty interchangeably). Also calls attention back to his previous vote opinion.
Post 643
Claims about his ability. Later is confirmed by both people he gave the seals to. Possibly they are working together but that seems absolutely stupid to do so, since if one flipped as scum the rest would straight away be lime lighted, so yea, not really an indication. People much later argue this is likely a town ability, which I can see why. However I personally don’t think they are all that useful. Also, it could possibly be that he has to give it to different players, or he has to give it to people who aren’t on his team. All of this is shaky at best so I will leave it at not convinced.
Vote Count Post 646
Post 647
More vote weight checking.
Post 656
Points back to mordacazir
Post 677
Not the biggest fan of if you did this, I would feel this way. I kinda just read it and think blah, blah, blah
Post 705
Hearsay post
Vote Count Post 745
Post 757
Follows on with what I have said on the past.
Post 762
Points out what I was really confused about, since GM DracLord didn’t check vote weight this game, however I did and so did TDK. TDK pointed out that it was last game. At this point I didn’t know that it was seen as scummy, nor how it could be seen as scummy.
Post 807
Makes a request of bbninjas. This might be seen as slightly scummy (although you have to really stretch it to be pointing fingers), however it is for one of the major scum reads at this point so I don’t really think it is a scummy post
Post 843
Here there isn’t much to gain since simsands is basically confirmed scum at this point
Post 880 and Post 882
Weird request that reads as informed but is later changed to make way more sense. Could have been a scum slip, I won’t rule it out, but it feels unlikely.
Post 888
At least the vote weight counting pays off here, although simple math would have determined that simsands is one of the two vote weight characters.
Vote Count Post 918 and Post 1015
Post 1041
Could be seen as bandwagoning on me (by just following Camoclone) without any real evidence, although dumbtelling seems to be a lynch worthy offense here, whereas I don’t personally agree with the idea that dumbtelling (at least of this nature) is inherently aligned, I do understand it isn’t helpful towards town. As far as I am concerned to this point the only case or extra information TDK has provided on anyone is mordacazir, but even then other people had been looking at Mordacazir in the past as well. This is fine as not everyone can contribute something new, but it is noteworthy
Post 1052
Feels like he is beating his head against a wall, otherwise he just points out something that everyone knows (since it had been said before)
Post 1054
Votes for the safe cleared town, for what seems like just because others are. He provides no reasoning other than the fact that Empoleon_Masters plan was frankly terrible, still in my opinion this is scummy behaviour even more so because it occurs after Camoclone pointed out that he didn’t even vote for Empoleon_Master despite being the one who was mostly spearheading the lynch against him. Otherwise says he has been lenient and that he wants to policy lynch him, although I am not convinced that this really is a policy lynch, mostly because lynch all liars feels like such a weak argument against such a strong claim. The most worthy thing of what he is saying about the lynch is detrimental to town, which I think is up for debate as many players have been detrimental towards town, but few have drawn any aggro from TDK.
Post 1094
Complete backpedal with poor reasoning to boot. Calming down shouldn’t have any place in this since basic human understanding is that threatening someone (for example with a vote) leads to an increase in emotive response. Furthers this by jumping on a new bandwagon again although this is fair enough since we had a seer read.
Post 1107
Misses a lot of detail but highlights most of the important things that have happened, although should have noted bandwagons and the others who were night killed as well as the fact there is popular belief of two scum teams. Easy enough to miss but stretching it could be seen as intentional missing of facts to keep someone in the dark which would be more beneficial to scum than town.
Vote Count Post 1122
Post 1161
Ah, this is where I picked up the bash against the wall analogy from earlier, although it still perfectly makes sense as far as I am concerned. Otherwise I don’t really get why he keeps trying to deal with Empoleon_Master, no efforts have been fruitful, but whatever, that is just personal thoughts.
Vote Count Post 1166
Post 1172
Valid point, with a valid response from Celever. However TDK seems to ignore his previous lynch opinion prior to simsands (mordacazir) which is odd to me and something worth noting.
Post 1176
Looks at Camoclones opinion on another person without adding something of their own reeks of pre-emptive bandwagoning. Also his post could be a pat on the back in regards to night killed peoples abilities and could be seen as informed although that is a stretch, however still wary and in my opinion note worthy
Post 1180
Just here for future reference post game
Post 1195
Not so sure about this statement, it could be that in the game archers can’t use swords, or that TDK knows for sure from his own role, but I personally assumed that skills just required a weapon, as the random drop thing we have going on means that some people would just legitimately have useless abilities or useless weapons, both of which I think are bad game design.
Post 1233
No one was saying we should, this statement just reads badly to me no alignment, but seriously a silly thing to say.
Post 1261
Another bandwagon post, adds little but more importantly votes for someone who is basically confo town just because of a policy lynch, without really adding anything to the discussion. Lazy, lack of info makes for a scum feel.
Post 1283
Jumps on yet another bandwagon, but at least this one has really solid reasoning behind it. Still though, just getting close to hammering is dangerous since it just gives town less time, and reinforce loses all ability to respond if it goes down too fast.
Post 1300
TDK pointing out that someone hasn’t really tried to defend themselves is kinda funny since for the most part self defense was emotion and letting someone else take the heat. Otherwise tries to add to the Empoleon_Master wagon with information that has already been stated. Could be seen as pre-emptive for the possible Empoleon_Master lynch tomorrow.
Post 1360 and kinda Post 1388
Pointing out inactivity, could be seen as negative due to shift focus away from what is at play which is especially odd due to the largely confirmed lynch target, however for that very reason this kind of a post makes sense so possible town sway.
Post 1391
Not true, at this point we are 1391 posts in, that is a lot :/. I know there are search functions but they don’t always turn up what I am after anyway, so kinda irritating. Otherwise true.
Post 1412
Back onto Empoleon_Master, but this is a broken record.
Post 1417
This could have been an informed slip. A stretch, but possible (otherwise is an assumption, which TDK already condemned earlier). Since we don’t know TDKs capabilities it is possible an item, skill or ability allowed him to find some information out, but that no only seems unlikely, it seems stupid. The last thing is very anti whatever faction you are in, I considered asking for a Modkill on me, but that is detrimental to whichever team the person is on, and I believe you made the commitment to be here, you kinda need to stick to it, so for as long as I am still in the game, I will support town, I would like to expect other players to do the same. Of course there are valid excuses, others have and were right to do so, but doing it because you can’t be bothered anymore is just sad and as far as I am concerned, anti-town.
Post 1434
I don’t like discounting things like this, even if you are just sick of dealing with the person, it just rubs me the wrong way.
Post 1437
Only if you think Celever is town, and nothing has happened to this point that really confirms him. So this post either reads informed, is making assumptions, or is ruled by the fact you are sick of Empoleon_Master rather than considering the best course of action. Of course, that is all based on my own beliefs, others have different styles which makes this really hard for me to decide alignment because I just don’t know how TDK thinks yet.
Post 1439
Fair question.
Post 1478
Back onto previous bandwagon, which is fair since Empoleon_Master died.
Day 4 Post 1494
Post 1496
Immediately jumps back on reinforce again, could be seen as trying to start a turbo lynch as soon as the day starts which is really scummy, but could also be doing this for the first vote benefit some things seem to have. Overall not aligned as even the first point is not really good or bad and could easily just be a pressure vote.
Post 1683
Jumps onto yet another bandwagon where people are focusing on just lynching someone rather than finding someone to lynch. I understand the reasoning behind this, but this kind of bandwagon just screams that a scum has had a hand in it at some point, which I find worrying. Of course could just be that I am biased since I was the bandwagon but whatever. Also, barring one or two posts, there was a lot of inactivity for TDK. Not inherently aligned, but worth noting.
Post 1698
Yet another bandwagon, with a statement but no explanation, and not adding anything, again.
Post 1732
More Hypocrisy
Post 1739
Speculation could be seen as sacrificing a scum buddy, although at this point that would be quite a stretch especially since TDK has looked at mordacazir as a scum read for a while now (although he still hasn’t really added anything)
Post 1740
Notices quakingpunch73s shifting statements
Post 1744
No an inherently aligned statement, and probably not meant to be taken seriously, but with the backlash that Empoleon_Master received this is something I am not convinced should be said all that likely. I mean, Empoleon_Master was almost lynched over this twice (maybe three times, they kinda blurred together at a certain point), and one of those was after the strongest safeclaim we have seen so far.
Post 1747
I am not 100% sure who “he” is referring to, personally I think that comes off a little off, but no more than some of TDKs other non-statements. My first assumption was at Celever just because that was who was quoted but actually quakingpunch73 or mordacazir both make sense. Either option changes nothing in my mind however.
Post 1749
Pushing for information, also not inherently aligned, but interesting to note, since TDK has done it a fair amount so far, but not really responded that well to others doing so.
Post 1764
Yet another bandwagon, using following another player as what? An excuse doesn’t make sense, so admittance? That in of itself is not inherently aligned, but the share number of times (read, practically every vote so far) that this has happened for makes me thing TDK is a weak player, just because it mean if he is town, he could so easily be influenced by scum that it doesn’t even matter, or that he is scum and is just bandwagoning to try to get town eliminated. Neither sit well with me and I have had this idea on TDK for quite a while (since day 1 maybe day 2, I can’t quite remember) and as far as I am concerned it is the absolute border of anti-town. One could also say it looks like active lurking or whatever, where someone posts little of value in an effort to look like they are contributing.
Post 1777
I am not sure if I consider truly calling someone out on something, I mean it isn’t a massive thing that could lead to a lynch, although it could lead to a series of smaller cases from other players to form a lynch, however the second option reads as scum to me. The first just reads of active lurking. Also, in neither case did TDK provide a serious case against Celever, meaning over all the posts were kinda pointless. However, despite my thoughts on that post, it did lead to some questioning of Celever, and TDK didn’t back down as early as I expected so I will call this a draw over all.
Post 1779
Ah apathy, how do I love thee. I should probably check how many games of werewolf TDK has actually played, but I believe someone who has played at least a couple should know what they were getting into by this point. If TDK has played multiple games, then I would expect him to have some kind of an expectation of how others play, and I don’t think one should use not really wanting to play as a solid excuse because they should have at least a slight idea of what might happen. Instead, TDK uses in my opinion the weakest excuse to being less useful than he could have been. Furthermore I don’t actually remember anything TDK actually compiled about Celever. I will admit I pay limited attention to peoples cases, because I just can’t trust any other players, and I don’t want to be lead astray, but I don’t remember anything at all. When I get further it should hopefully be cleared up, or (as I expect) TDK won’t make the post, and basically says something that I would expect to have to happen if he were a target, or he would face a lynching, but because he isn’t in the lime light, it kinda just gets forgotten.
Post 1783
Despite saying he was going to make a case on Celever, he actually makes a post on quakingpunch73, which is good, since finally TDK takes initiative and this is the first (or maybe second) time TDK has done something on his own accord, with actual evidence (or at least an argument) even if it isn’t as comprehensive as I would like.
The pointing out of quakingpunch73s rapid vote to reads opinion shift is good as it means TDK has been paying attention (I already believe he was, but it is something I think is noteworthy).
One negative to this post however is that he tries to defend his cote on Celever again, which I feel like bringing up is detrimental just because it was a poor vote in the first place.
Post 1859
I agree that keeping quakingpunch73 on the radar is a good idea at least at this point for TDK since he seems to be TDKs most developed case. I am less enthused because it doesn’t follow the trend TDK has put on so far most of this game, which muddles up my read a little.
Post 1898
Jumps back on previous read, otherwise brings up a point I am sure confused multiple people.
Post 1908
Could be read as informed, either by knowledge of the ability or some other means, but that makes for a fairly odd presumption also harkening back to the whole assuming thing for earlier. The “too bad he’s dead now” line also reads badly in my mind, I just think it is an odd thing to say in general, especially since people should have been expecting him to be night killed (since we weren’t 100% sure what would happen if one team went down as per what happened) as he confirmed he could use his ability multiple times. In reality bbninjas was already in borrowed time, I don’t know why scum bought his one use nonsense, which at least to me seemed like a lie, albeit one that made sense and seemed to work out in the end for bbninjas, or at least, an end.
Post 1912
This is here for future reference. Although it could have been a scum pointing out that their target didn’t die to them. Stupidly shaky and a terrible idea though, so if anything town sway.
Post 1924
Votes, without adding anything other than the fact that other players are suspicious, which they always were, and honestly always should be. Worst is that he provides three names with the addition of “a few others” which is a dumb thing to say since there really are only a few other people left in the game at this point. He also talks about who should die first, however order of death is not really important unless we are worrying about abilities which we don’t know (except Reinforces) so the order TDK provides is sceptical for me especially since he doesn’t say why that is the order he wants people to die in. This is even more important since scum want Reinforce dead if he doesn’t (or wont) cooperate with them, since he is the closest thing to a seer town now has. Furthermore, if scum sees a lynch opportunity that isn’t one of their own, and they still get their night kill, it is more of a push for them since night killing the independent doesn’t further their win condition. That is why I don’t like people voting for Reinforce, however the alternative is that we end up lynching another town member, and in the end that just hurts us more by giving scum two targets further to their win condition, and in that case, reinforce is the safest case because is pseudo buys town a day.
Post 2033
At the risk of sounding bad, I don’t think my case on Celever should sway anyone of my alignment, fact is one post (or a couple of posts depending on how you look at the others surrounding it) shouldn’t be enough to sway opinions, especially not when people thought I was a pretty solid lynch target while I was absent, even if it was because they just thought I was a safe lynch and not necessarily because they thought I was town. Beyond that, only one name for “others” rings badly to me, either he just hadn’t decided when he wrote it, he changed his idea (although nothing happened, so I don’t like that option) or he isn’t willing to say the other names. All in all I don’t like any of those options.
All in all, I don’t like the way TDK has played, but most people haven’t played in a manor I can fully agree with, however constant bandwagoning, and often adding little if anything to discussions does not ring well to me either in relation to how much he has posted. He does have the ability to give others reclassing seals, which while I agree looks like a town ability on paper, could easily have other effects, or be restricted, I also don’t think they are quite as useful as others seem to think they are, although I just happened upon a class I liked straight away, however there is just no telling for sure.
So ##Vote: thegrovylekid until I come up with a new case or someone sways me
Nothing of note Posts.
Post 100, Post 103, Post 105, Post 110, Post 112, Post 114, Post 118, Post 236, Post 245, Post 332, Post 340, Post 388, Post 539, Post 654, Post 714, Post 729, Post 752, Post 753, Post 771, Post 772, Post 773, Post 779, Post 780, Post 781, Post 868, Post 871, Post 1003, Post 1048, Post 1103, Post 1188, Post 1215, Post 1320, Post 1368, Post 1370, Post 1387, Post 1580, Post 1673, Post 1704, Post 1713, Post 1890, Post 1894, Post 2031, Post 2054, Post 2077
Vote Count Post 184
Post 281
TDK jumps on the Squirtle Squad bandwagon saying that Camoclone is making sense, and that it is strange, but fails to elaborate on this fact, which is scummy in my opinion, especially when Camoclone starts calling others out on it, and even more so after mordacazir was more or less roasted for joining the bandwagon. Personally I thought Camoclone was just trying to catch people out (since the point he made didn’t really seem that strong), which was smart and really cool, but I am not a fan of that play style personally, if that is what he was going for. Otherwise he might have just seen something I missed and others jumped on either Camoclones experience or they saw what he saw.
Post 311
Wow, this was a super early claim to make, and it is very suspicious, I mean sure there weren’t great targets for a lynch at this point, but the game had only just started and this feels like a very bold claim.
Vote Count Post 323
Post 330
Searching for double vote weight, at the time I didn’t see this as scummy, but with hindsight I kinda do (I understand that I also did this, I regret that now). I can also see it not being since scum should be able to determine it themselves. Over all I still don’t think it is bad per say, but I don’t think it really benefits anyone to talk about it.
Post 342 Note
Not really anything to talk about, but here for future reference
Post 344
Fair defense of himself, could be seen as a little over bearing, but I may be biased just because of the size of the post and the double explanation looking a little like a fear response trying harder than one should to protect themselves when there really isn’t a huge amount on them. This is pretty shaky though, don’t put too much stock in it.
Vote Count Post 411
Post 438
Possible appeal to something with the “took twenty minutes to type”. Not inherently aligned, but still something to say that would likely get no sympathy from the more hard-line players
Post 444
Could be feigning ignorance? Weak argument though
Post 448
Admission of guilt, although the guilt is nothing bad, instead the important part of this is TDK admitting to panicking which in itself raising warning flags at least in theory, in practise I can understand why one would be afraid particularly when people are reaching at straws, anything can seem anti-town. However TDK started panicking really early, when there was no real threat on him. Also, he looks to immediately point fingers at Jabberwock for doing something he just did earlier (and still is doing) which is also a flag raiser in my opinion.
Post 454
Analysis of Squirtle Squad, only really two parts I find notable, firstly the hypocrisy with the not giving any sort of reasoning which TDK just did in regards to Jabberwock. Not inherently aligned but something noteworthy to point out. Secondly his appeal to emotion claims, which I don’t agree with, but whatever, maybe it has a different meaning to people here (which is why I call it appeal to something). Finally, I don’t like the “How convenient” line, people have things to do, things go wrong etc, and posting that sarcastically just makes you look kinda like a jerk.
Vote Count Post 557
Post 569
Points out that mordacazir bandwagon hard. Just a reminder so did TDK.
Post 575
Admits to having weak reasoning, which I find to be a little scummy personally. Keeps looking to the past game as an excuse, the more times he repeats it, the weaker it feels, as if he is really trying to convince us, but I just don’t buy it because it was said so many times.
Post 588
Maybe another appeal? I am not so sure how to feel about this post.
Post 621
Just a lore/flavour post. Other people have said this indicates scum, but to be honest, posts like this one are actually really helpful to people who don’t know anything about Fire Emblem.
Post 626
Calls out another for bandwagoning
Post 641
Interesting, answering to a role fish (or ability or skill or whatever, I use them pretty interchangeably). Also calls attention back to his previous vote opinion.
Post 643
Claims about his ability. Later is confirmed by both people he gave the seals to. Possibly they are working together but that seems absolutely stupid to do so, since if one flipped as scum the rest would straight away be lime lighted, so yea, not really an indication. People much later argue this is likely a town ability, which I can see why. However I personally don’t think they are all that useful. Also, it could possibly be that he has to give it to different players, or he has to give it to people who aren’t on his team. All of this is shaky at best so I will leave it at not convinced.
Vote Count Post 646
Post 647
More vote weight checking.
Post 656
Points back to mordacazir
Post 677
Not the biggest fan of if you did this, I would feel this way. I kinda just read it and think blah, blah, blah
Post 705
Hearsay post
Vote Count Post 745
Post 757
Follows on with what I have said on the past.
Post 762
Points out what I was really confused about, since GM DracLord didn’t check vote weight this game, however I did and so did TDK. TDK pointed out that it was last game. At this point I didn’t know that it was seen as scummy, nor how it could be seen as scummy.
Post 807
Makes a request of bbninjas. This might be seen as slightly scummy (although you have to really stretch it to be pointing fingers), however it is for one of the major scum reads at this point so I don’t really think it is a scummy post
Post 843
Here there isn’t much to gain since simsands is basically confirmed scum at this point
Post 880 and Post 882
Weird request that reads as informed but is later changed to make way more sense. Could have been a scum slip, I won’t rule it out, but it feels unlikely.
Post 888
At least the vote weight counting pays off here, although simple math would have determined that simsands is one of the two vote weight characters.
Vote Count Post 918 and Post 1015
Post 1041
Could be seen as bandwagoning on me (by just following Camoclone) without any real evidence, although dumbtelling seems to be a lynch worthy offense here, whereas I don’t personally agree with the idea that dumbtelling (at least of this nature) is inherently aligned, I do understand it isn’t helpful towards town. As far as I am concerned to this point the only case or extra information TDK has provided on anyone is mordacazir, but even then other people had been looking at Mordacazir in the past as well. This is fine as not everyone can contribute something new, but it is noteworthy
Post 1052
Feels like he is beating his head against a wall, otherwise he just points out something that everyone knows (since it had been said before)
Post 1054
Votes for the safe cleared town, for what seems like just because others are. He provides no reasoning other than the fact that Empoleon_Masters plan was frankly terrible, still in my opinion this is scummy behaviour even more so because it occurs after Camoclone pointed out that he didn’t even vote for Empoleon_Master despite being the one who was mostly spearheading the lynch against him. Otherwise says he has been lenient and that he wants to policy lynch him, although I am not convinced that this really is a policy lynch, mostly because lynch all liars feels like such a weak argument against such a strong claim. The most worthy thing of what he is saying about the lynch is detrimental to town, which I think is up for debate as many players have been detrimental towards town, but few have drawn any aggro from TDK.
Post 1094
Complete backpedal with poor reasoning to boot. Calming down shouldn’t have any place in this since basic human understanding is that threatening someone (for example with a vote) leads to an increase in emotive response. Furthers this by jumping on a new bandwagon again although this is fair enough since we had a seer read.
Post 1107
Misses a lot of detail but highlights most of the important things that have happened, although should have noted bandwagons and the others who were night killed as well as the fact there is popular belief of two scum teams. Easy enough to miss but stretching it could be seen as intentional missing of facts to keep someone in the dark which would be more beneficial to scum than town.
Vote Count Post 1122
Post 1161
Ah, this is where I picked up the bash against the wall analogy from earlier, although it still perfectly makes sense as far as I am concerned. Otherwise I don’t really get why he keeps trying to deal with Empoleon_Master, no efforts have been fruitful, but whatever, that is just personal thoughts.
Vote Count Post 1166
Post 1172
Valid point, with a valid response from Celever. However TDK seems to ignore his previous lynch opinion prior to simsands (mordacazir) which is odd to me and something worth noting.
Post 1176
Looks at Camoclones opinion on another person without adding something of their own reeks of pre-emptive bandwagoning. Also his post could be a pat on the back in regards to night killed peoples abilities and could be seen as informed although that is a stretch, however still wary and in my opinion note worthy
Post 1180
Just here for future reference post game
Post 1195
Not so sure about this statement, it could be that in the game archers can’t use swords, or that TDK knows for sure from his own role, but I personally assumed that skills just required a weapon, as the random drop thing we have going on means that some people would just legitimately have useless abilities or useless weapons, both of which I think are bad game design.
Post 1233
No one was saying we should, this statement just reads badly to me no alignment, but seriously a silly thing to say.
Post 1261
Another bandwagon post, adds little but more importantly votes for someone who is basically confo town just because of a policy lynch, without really adding anything to the discussion. Lazy, lack of info makes for a scum feel.
Post 1283
Jumps on yet another bandwagon, but at least this one has really solid reasoning behind it. Still though, just getting close to hammering is dangerous since it just gives town less time, and reinforce loses all ability to respond if it goes down too fast.
Post 1300
TDK pointing out that someone hasn’t really tried to defend themselves is kinda funny since for the most part self defense was emotion and letting someone else take the heat. Otherwise tries to add to the Empoleon_Master wagon with information that has already been stated. Could be seen as pre-emptive for the possible Empoleon_Master lynch tomorrow.
Post 1360 and kinda Post 1388
Pointing out inactivity, could be seen as negative due to shift focus away from what is at play which is especially odd due to the largely confirmed lynch target, however for that very reason this kind of a post makes sense so possible town sway.
Post 1391
Not true, at this point we are 1391 posts in, that is a lot :/. I know there are search functions but they don’t always turn up what I am after anyway, so kinda irritating. Otherwise true.
Post 1412
Back onto Empoleon_Master, but this is a broken record.
Post 1417
This could have been an informed slip. A stretch, but possible (otherwise is an assumption, which TDK already condemned earlier). Since we don’t know TDKs capabilities it is possible an item, skill or ability allowed him to find some information out, but that no only seems unlikely, it seems stupid. The last thing is very anti whatever faction you are in, I considered asking for a Modkill on me, but that is detrimental to whichever team the person is on, and I believe you made the commitment to be here, you kinda need to stick to it, so for as long as I am still in the game, I will support town, I would like to expect other players to do the same. Of course there are valid excuses, others have and were right to do so, but doing it because you can’t be bothered anymore is just sad and as far as I am concerned, anti-town.
Post 1434
I don’t like discounting things like this, even if you are just sick of dealing with the person, it just rubs me the wrong way.
Post 1437
Only if you think Celever is town, and nothing has happened to this point that really confirms him. So this post either reads informed, is making assumptions, or is ruled by the fact you are sick of Empoleon_Master rather than considering the best course of action. Of course, that is all based on my own beliefs, others have different styles which makes this really hard for me to decide alignment because I just don’t know how TDK thinks yet.
Post 1439
Fair question.
Post 1478
Back onto previous bandwagon, which is fair since Empoleon_Master died.
Day 4 Post 1494
Post 1496
Immediately jumps back on reinforce again, could be seen as trying to start a turbo lynch as soon as the day starts which is really scummy, but could also be doing this for the first vote benefit some things seem to have. Overall not aligned as even the first point is not really good or bad and could easily just be a pressure vote.
Post 1683
Jumps onto yet another bandwagon where people are focusing on just lynching someone rather than finding someone to lynch. I understand the reasoning behind this, but this kind of bandwagon just screams that a scum has had a hand in it at some point, which I find worrying. Of course could just be that I am biased since I was the bandwagon but whatever. Also, barring one or two posts, there was a lot of inactivity for TDK. Not inherently aligned, but worth noting.
Post 1698
Yet another bandwagon, with a statement but no explanation, and not adding anything, again.
Post 1732
More Hypocrisy
Post 1739
Speculation could be seen as sacrificing a scum buddy, although at this point that would be quite a stretch especially since TDK has looked at mordacazir as a scum read for a while now (although he still hasn’t really added anything)
Post 1740
Notices quakingpunch73s shifting statements
Post 1744
No an inherently aligned statement, and probably not meant to be taken seriously, but with the backlash that Empoleon_Master received this is something I am not convinced should be said all that likely. I mean, Empoleon_Master was almost lynched over this twice (maybe three times, they kinda blurred together at a certain point), and one of those was after the strongest safeclaim we have seen so far.
Post 1747
I am not 100% sure who “he” is referring to, personally I think that comes off a little off, but no more than some of TDKs other non-statements. My first assumption was at Celever just because that was who was quoted but actually quakingpunch73 or mordacazir both make sense. Either option changes nothing in my mind however.
Post 1749
Pushing for information, also not inherently aligned, but interesting to note, since TDK has done it a fair amount so far, but not really responded that well to others doing so.
Post 1764
Yet another bandwagon, using following another player as what? An excuse doesn’t make sense, so admittance? That in of itself is not inherently aligned, but the share number of times (read, practically every vote so far) that this has happened for makes me thing TDK is a weak player, just because it mean if he is town, he could so easily be influenced by scum that it doesn’t even matter, or that he is scum and is just bandwagoning to try to get town eliminated. Neither sit well with me and I have had this idea on TDK for quite a while (since day 1 maybe day 2, I can’t quite remember) and as far as I am concerned it is the absolute border of anti-town. One could also say it looks like active lurking or whatever, where someone posts little of value in an effort to look like they are contributing.
Post 1777
I am not sure if I consider truly calling someone out on something, I mean it isn’t a massive thing that could lead to a lynch, although it could lead to a series of smaller cases from other players to form a lynch, however the second option reads as scum to me. The first just reads of active lurking. Also, in neither case did TDK provide a serious case against Celever, meaning over all the posts were kinda pointless. However, despite my thoughts on that post, it did lead to some questioning of Celever, and TDK didn’t back down as early as I expected so I will call this a draw over all.
Post 1779
Ah apathy, how do I love thee. I should probably check how many games of werewolf TDK has actually played, but I believe someone who has played at least a couple should know what they were getting into by this point. If TDK has played multiple games, then I would expect him to have some kind of an expectation of how others play, and I don’t think one should use not really wanting to play as a solid excuse because they should have at least a slight idea of what might happen. Instead, TDK uses in my opinion the weakest excuse to being less useful than he could have been. Furthermore I don’t actually remember anything TDK actually compiled about Celever. I will admit I pay limited attention to peoples cases, because I just can’t trust any other players, and I don’t want to be lead astray, but I don’t remember anything at all. When I get further it should hopefully be cleared up, or (as I expect) TDK won’t make the post, and basically says something that I would expect to have to happen if he were a target, or he would face a lynching, but because he isn’t in the lime light, it kinda just gets forgotten.
Post 1783
Despite saying he was going to make a case on Celever, he actually makes a post on quakingpunch73, which is good, since finally TDK takes initiative and this is the first (or maybe second) time TDK has done something on his own accord, with actual evidence (or at least an argument) even if it isn’t as comprehensive as I would like.
The pointing out of quakingpunch73s rapid vote to reads opinion shift is good as it means TDK has been paying attention (I already believe he was, but it is something I think is noteworthy).
One negative to this post however is that he tries to defend his cote on Celever again, which I feel like bringing up is detrimental just because it was a poor vote in the first place.
Post 1859
I agree that keeping quakingpunch73 on the radar is a good idea at least at this point for TDK since he seems to be TDKs most developed case. I am less enthused because it doesn’t follow the trend TDK has put on so far most of this game, which muddles up my read a little.
Post 1898
Jumps back on previous read, otherwise brings up a point I am sure confused multiple people.
Post 1908
Could be read as informed, either by knowledge of the ability or some other means, but that makes for a fairly odd presumption also harkening back to the whole assuming thing for earlier. The “too bad he’s dead now” line also reads badly in my mind, I just think it is an odd thing to say in general, especially since people should have been expecting him to be night killed (since we weren’t 100% sure what would happen if one team went down as per what happened) as he confirmed he could use his ability multiple times. In reality bbninjas was already in borrowed time, I don’t know why scum bought his one use nonsense, which at least to me seemed like a lie, albeit one that made sense and seemed to work out in the end for bbninjas, or at least, an end.
Post 1912
This is here for future reference. Although it could have been a scum pointing out that their target didn’t die to them. Stupidly shaky and a terrible idea though, so if anything town sway.
Post 1924
Votes, without adding anything other than the fact that other players are suspicious, which they always were, and honestly always should be. Worst is that he provides three names with the addition of “a few others” which is a dumb thing to say since there really are only a few other people left in the game at this point. He also talks about who should die first, however order of death is not really important unless we are worrying about abilities which we don’t know (except Reinforces) so the order TDK provides is sceptical for me especially since he doesn’t say why that is the order he wants people to die in. This is even more important since scum want Reinforce dead if he doesn’t (or wont) cooperate with them, since he is the closest thing to a seer town now has. Furthermore, if scum sees a lynch opportunity that isn’t one of their own, and they still get their night kill, it is more of a push for them since night killing the independent doesn’t further their win condition. That is why I don’t like people voting for Reinforce, however the alternative is that we end up lynching another town member, and in the end that just hurts us more by giving scum two targets further to their win condition, and in that case, reinforce is the safest case because is pseudo buys town a day.
Post 2033
At the risk of sounding bad, I don’t think my case on Celever should sway anyone of my alignment, fact is one post (or a couple of posts depending on how you look at the others surrounding it) shouldn’t be enough to sway opinions, especially not when people thought I was a pretty solid lynch target while I was absent, even if it was because they just thought I was a safe lynch and not necessarily because they thought I was town. Beyond that, only one name for “others” rings badly to me, either he just hadn’t decided when he wrote it, he changed his idea (although nothing happened, so I don’t like that option) or he isn’t willing to say the other names. All in all I don’t like any of those options.
All in all, I don’t like the way TDK has played, but most people haven’t played in a manor I can fully agree with, however constant bandwagoning, and often adding little if anything to discussions does not ring well to me either in relation to how much he has posted. He does have the ability to give others reclassing seals, which while I agree looks like a town ability on paper, could easily have other effects, or be restricted, I also don’t think they are quite as useful as others seem to think they are, although I just happened upon a class I liked straight away, however there is just no telling for sure.
So ##Vote: thegrovylekid until I come up with a new case or someone sways me
Yeah, PP is town.
##VOTE:Reinforce
##VOTE:Reinforce
My role requires me to stay alive, and at the moment, I can only achieve that by submitting to the whims of whichever faction has the power over my life. If I betray the town, then I'll be lynched immediately, and that means I didn't play to my win condition. It's simple as that. And sure, I can choose the scum, but that's really only making it harder on myself, when there are more town than scum.
Now to the people saying I haven't revealed my info, um, you can go back and read on a little 'spell' over me called an impediment. Camoclone and quaking got it correctly earlier, so I'd have thought the rest would have realized by now?
At this point though, lynching me is really only lynching me for the sake of being a different alignment, even if it's not a requirement for town to do. There's no "info" to be gained on my flip, because you already know my role. There's no number advantage to getting rid of me, because you know I don't have the ability to kill. Lynching me gives an extra night for scum, who most certainly can kill, to reduce town numbers.
If you'd follow what I suggest, then only items can possibly kill.
Now to the people saying I haven't revealed my info, um, you can go back and read on a little 'spell' over me called an impediment. Camoclone and quaking got it correctly earlier, so I'd have thought the rest would have realized by now?
At this point though, lynching me is really only lynching me for the sake of being a different alignment, even if it's not a requirement for town to do. There's no "info" to be gained on my flip, because you already know my role. There's no number advantage to getting rid of me, because you know I don't have the ability to kill. Lynching me gives an extra night for scum, who most certainly can kill, to reduce town numbers.
If you'd follow what I suggest, then only items can possibly kill.
It's pretty obvious he means PP is scum. Then it is another problem because if PP is the current doctor then Reinforce could see the love thing ability and try to convince everyone to lynch him so the town would lose the doctor. If PP is scum then we can trust RF but if he is town we lose another doctor.
It doesn't even need him to confirm it.
When he says Camo and Quaking got it right, the only thing that both of them have done was vote me.
Which, to me, obviously reveals that his allegiance is to scum. He knows I'm the doctor and, like I said earlier, I'm the only role that can extend the amount of time it takes for scum to achieve their win con.
Honestly, I'm wondering how much that disguise ability actually impacts his role. Quaking had the idea earlier that the disguise would give him access to the scum chat. While I initially thought the idea was far fetched, I have no idea how else Reinforce could know the names of the scum unless he nailed both through his ability. If you take it this far, I'm wondering if the disguise would alter his win condition. I think a role that could infiltrate the scum chat and leak both of their names to achieve their win condition would be super broken and definitely be considered bastard modding.
No. Lynching will kill you according to the Dragonskin ability on the scroll. Items can't actually hurt you, except for Wyrmslayers.
@Vom would the Grima role from the day update be revealed as Grima on death or whatever they were disguised as?
o/
Yes, this is admittedly a risk that town would have to put on me. If I'm lying, town will lynch a potential doctor which is really hard considering the first lynch was one. If I'm telling the truth, the only way anyone's going to die tonight is if there are items that do so. How do I know that? Remember that I seer ABILITIES, not names. And like I've said above, I have no reason to lie while I'm playing for my win condition.
Actually that's a good point. I didn't think about the disguise ability that much, because I assumed it was the Dickens role (changes what comes up on scans). But obviously, since we know his role via bb's scan, this isn't actually the case.
If it doesn't change the scan, it's fairly safe to assume that it doesn't change the flip. It's not confirmed, but usually they follow the same role except for in the case of the Dickens role. A reverse of this is, of course, possible, though.
I think that infiltrating the scum chat is probably the most likely effect. @Reinforce, please go into more details about your infiltrators role <3
Another thing I forgot to bring up is why there was no nk last night. It seems as though RF knows why and he thinks it will happen again tonight, which is super weird. Prof P only got the doc skill last night I think? If not, it'd be really useful to know who you targeted last night. The other option is obviously a hooker.
RF, what ability did you get as a result of your scan? Surely you can say this so long as you don't precede it with "this is Prof P's role".
If it doesn't change the scan, it's fairly safe to assume that it doesn't change the flip. It's not confirmed, but usually they follow the same role except for in the case of the Dickens role. A reverse of this is, of course, possible, though.
I think that infiltrating the scum chat is probably the most likely effect. @Reinforce, please go into more details about your infiltrators role <3
Another thing I forgot to bring up is why there was no nk last night. It seems as though RF knows why and he thinks it will happen again tonight, which is super weird. Prof P only got the doc skill last night I think? If not, it'd be really useful to know who you targeted last night. The other option is obviously a hooker.
RF, what ability did you get as a result of your scan? Surely you can say this so long as you don't precede it with "this is Prof P's role".
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