Finished Werewolf XXXI: Grima's Rebirth - GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!

[Scattered mind]

I'm pretty sure Jabber confirmed that he was staying out of the D1 madness

Doesn't change the fact that he bandwagoned hard.

 

[Scattered mind]

Work. Got the day off today though but I'm cleaning stuff.

But then, I don't stick around for D1 either, so I'm just looking over posts.

I can see the case on SS, but like most D1 stuff, it's mostly something taken out of context or something made out to be worse than it should be. A thing I've noted though, is that, if we end up with no other lynch choice and go with SS, then, considering his role claim and assuming based on the game canon, if he is telling the truth about his role, we would end up completely confirming E_M's role and alignment, and maybe IE to an extent since their communication is hard to disprove, which is a better result than most D1 would usually give. If not, then obviously he's not town. It's a win-slightly-less-lose-than-usual scenario.

Of course, if a better option than him comes up, that would be welcome. As things stand now, however, my vote near the end of the Day would most likely go to SS.

Well, I agree that SS lynch gives us some info to start from if he's town or scum. What about TGK?
If he is scum, we clear SS since he tunneled him hard throughout the game meaning they are probably not scumbuddies also means we can get the same info only without the need for a townie to die.

 

[The Healer]

Not really. The next-most suspicious one for me is Jabber, who's posted almost nothing outside of votes.

I can't help it if it's family day and I'm out with my family at Stanley Park and the aquarium for today, no?

This.


I always have PokéBeach open, so I don't have to constantly retype the address. I hate typing on this thing so much.


First one he accused me of "thinking too much", even though this game is literally about thinking.
Still stuck on an IPad. Still hate typing on this thing.
SS has contributed to say I should be lynched.


For the record, this took more than 20 minutes to type.

...TGK finally logs on and that is what he gives us? Mostly complains about his iPad and nothing of substance whatsoever...Yeesh. If you are going to spend more than twenty minutes making a post, you should try to make sure it is something worth reading.
Stuff like this makes me want to lynch TGK even more. Again, at least SS is trying to defend himself...

You've only contributed to say that SS should be lynched...

 

[thegrovylekid]

Think I'll reread and try to find these contributions by SS people are talking about.

 

[bbninjas]

His claim is very easily a fake if his passive is what we assume it is. After he claimed and no pressure was relieved, he should have posted his passive. To this extent, he's not putting in the work.

I'd say his early breadcrumbing would make things more likely that his role (at least that part of his role) is real... but I am entertaining the possibility of a fake claim.

Reads lists as town are decently common here, so I'm not sure what you mean.

I'm not too sure what you mean, here, because I was thinking that it isn't common. You, Camo, myself (to lesser extent) and Thena are the only ones I can think of asking or posting reads out of their own initiative. I don't recall it being something encouraged here either - people seem to more give reads when asked. I could easily be confusing things though.

I think you understate the skill level of this site a bit too much TBH, bb. Naturally the meta is different to FoL, but there is definitely a lot of overlap because at the end of the day it's still the same game and similar playing playing it.

I probably do, but I'm trying really hard to not, I swear! :x

I can't help it if it's family day and I'm out with my family at Stanley Park and the aquarium for today, no?

Shrug.

This.

So is SS' apparently. \._./

I always have PokéBeach open, so I don't have to constantly retype the address. I hate typing on this thing so much.

Stop defending against the weak stuff (i.e. lurking) and defend against your other stuff.

First one he accused me of "thinking too much", even though this game is literally about thinking.

No, he points out that you are defensive. The point I've been trying to point out to you over the last 24 hrs.

Still stuck on an IPad. Still hate typing on this thing.

mhm

SS has contributed to say I should be lynched.

And you contribute to whinge + say SS should be lynched. A bit hypocritical.

For the record, this took more than 20 minutes to type.

A vast majority of my posts take waaaaay longer to make than that (including both typing and looking back at posts), and I'm on a computer.

 

[bbninjas]

And Healer does a great job a ninjaing me and saying what I just wrote better. :U

 

[bbninjas]

Think I'll reread and try to find these contributions by SS people are talking about.

Nono, you should go and respond to all of the scummy points on you so I can decide whether you or SS is where my vote should go at present. I even made a compilation here!

 

[thegrovylekid]

Here comes the order of events with commentary by bbninjas! =D


RVS vote. Expected.


RVS vote because you voted me. Yes, OMGUS, but OMGUS in RVS is not a tell.


Is apparently joking around about my OMGUS.



Basically goes for the safe option of voting Vom (which gives no information whatsoever), but that's not actually a tell.


This is where the scummy stuff starts. First off, gets defensive over a vote with very poor reasoning. And it also sounds like he thought this RVS vote through a bit more than a townie would, thinking about it now.


And is pointing fingers at me. >.>


This is sorta funny now that TGK seems to be going on aggressive against SS. Probably means nothing though.


This is where things get questionable. TGK goes on about shifting pressure, which is hypocritical since TGK is shifting "pressure" in this very post. And that his pressure was really petty, so I'm not sure how it came to this conclusion in the first place.


I can't tell if TGK is saying that his vote on me is really serious or not.
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So, there. That's why my suspicions of TGK are coming from. Things like the following don't help his case:


Bandwagon.


This is completely false. Not sure if this is manipulative scum or tunneling townie.


Sounds a bit AtE.
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If people want me to post my thoughts on SS in this way, just let me know (in thread, o/c).

First two don't matter because RVS.
Vom was a joke vote, he's the host, and I still don't see why this is even being put into consideration at all >_>
I probably did overreact there, but once again, Vom was a joke vote.
I did see it, I'm just terrible at phrasing things and/or got it completely wrong.
I should have typed that "my only target"
It was a joke.

I'm panicking a bit because I don't want to be lynched day 1 again.

That good enough for you, BB?

I am still suspicious of Jabber though, he's done nothing but bandwagon.

 

[Squirtle Squad]

That's twice now he has had to disappear at a crucial moment.

I'm trying to not to get frustrated at you through all of this, but seriously some of us actually have full time jobs that means we can't live in the online world.

Full time means that I go to work at the same time, every day, meaning every day I have to leave, at the same time, meaning I can't be here serving your every command.

I wish you were my maths teacher Camo, it'd be way more simple :v

Also, @thegrovylekid's computer is borked for a little while. This is why he hasn't made a lot of posts. I can testify that posting a long post on an iPad, especially on the new forums, is literal hell. >~<

Now this excuse is totally lame and should not even be considered (especially seeings as he owns an iPad). I play every game of WW here on Pokebeach on my iPhone. I probably use my laptop once a game and thats usually to just for convenience of jumping from page to page. If you have access to this site through alternate means then a "borked computer" is hardly an excuse.

Now, as for my case, just read back to @bbninjas look at every post TGK has made. If you wanted a case from me about the same person, then I'm not going to re-invent the wheel. bb did a fine job summarising his scumminess so I find it to be totally unnecessary to repeat what has been said.

And now that I log on I find that TGK has finally reappeared to simply point out why I should be lynched...

 

[Squirtle Squad]

Posting Reads momentarily, my computer has updated safari so I can finally use it! (When I said crashed, I meant auto update decided that second was a good time to update safari)

 

[bbninjas]

First two don't matter because RVS.
Vom was a joke vote, he's the host, and I still don't see why this is even being put into consideration at all >_>

They are there to give background to why you are scummy. They are not scummy in themselves.

I probably did overreact there, but once again, Vom was a joke vote.

But since Vom is just a joke vote, why didn't you just say "it's a joke vote why do you care?" instead of listing off four/five reasons, which on looking at those reasons, means you put a bit of thought into your vote?

I did see it, I'm just terrible at phrasing things and/or got it completely wrong.
I should have typed that "my only target"
It was a joke.

Firstly, I'm not sure what these are referring to. Secondly, I'm pretty sure these aren't responding to all the remainder points you don't seem to have commented on. I'll make a list below for you.

I'm panicking a bit because I don't want to be lynched day 1 again.

Fair.

I am still suspicious of Jabber though, he's done nothing but bandwagon.

Who else are you suspicious of? Just Jabber and SS?

List of scummy stuff:
- Defensive over someone (me) suggesting a RVS vote is suspicious (link)
- Thinking through an early RVS/joke vote, which is something that scum will generally do as to figure out if their vote will cause suspicions or not. Town don't generally think through votes like this, instead just "do". (link)
- Starts pointing fingers at the person suggesting the suspicion, which feels a bit OMGUSy. Weak scum tell compared to the rest. Same post as the above two.
- Is hypocritical on two accounts. First, his "person is shifting pressure" post when he is shifting pressure in the same post, and secondly, the "SS only posts contribution on my lynch" post when his post's contribution is literally just on SS' lynch.
- Bangwagons on the early SS lynch when there was very little (established) reason on why SS should be lynched. The reason he gave doesn't have any evidence attached I don't think. (link)
- Seems to have tunnel vision/manipulative perspective on SS in this post, or is logically incorrect, either a scum or town action.
- Using some AtE.
- Recently, popping in only to complain and give reasons on why SS should be lynched.

 

[bbninjas]

bb did a fine job summarising his scumminess so I find it to be totally unnecessary to repeat what has been said.

Is not-subtly echoing, technically. Neutral thing, in my opinion, as all this means is that SS doesn't feel like doing some looking into posts himself. Would like to see more from SS (and TGK too).

And now that I log on I find that TGK has finally reappeared to simply point out why I should be lynched...

AtE.

Now, as for my case, just read back to @bbninjas look at every post TGK has made. If you wanted a case from me about the same person, then I'm not going to re-invent the wheel.

Oh, this reminded me. Does anyone have any other reasons why SS should be lynched? I'm really just seeing the "I'm town" stuff, *maybe* contribution and AtE.

 

[bbninjas]

Also, SS is doing a very good job at liking my posts. Something to note.

 

[thegrovylekid]

##thegrovylekid: thegrovylekid

You're thinking too much! Haha, this too is on the defensive is it not?

RVS with a small amount of reasoning thrown in.

Hmm, I don't see EM as scum, and if I recall correctly the games prior to this only had a very small amount of rvs?
I know EM could have just gone to the master document to find out for himself instead of asking, but I don't think he thinks that way tbh...

It didn't stop a group of people of jumping on his wagon so imma look into that when there's more substantial posts to work off,

For now though, I see TGK as the scummiest so I'm keeping my vote where it is,

But if the Empoleon lynch goes through then I'm ok with that too, because the way he posts and floods the thread with random anime and video game references along with none (or misguided) reasoning warrants a policy lynch anyways,

He's keeping his vote there probably for the tiny amount of reasoning he gave above.

Oh golly... What is even going on here :/

@Celever IE has come forward, for now I'm willing to bet that both Em and ie are town,

Shall we move on?

Stating the obvious.

I am town.

@Camoclone

Wanna explain your logic or is this just my turn for your D1 hunting?

AtE.

This is inferred role fishing.
I'm not gonna speak for EM and I'm not scum buddies with him, nor am I scum trying to buddy with the Confo town,
But it's pretty obvious why he posted what he did.
From what I understood from all of this is that he wanted the pressure on him to stop, and clearly only posted what he needed to post to get people off his back.

But anyway, back to the game.

AtE.

I simply repeated this because everyone was still going on about it, it simply needed to be repeated.

This whole "case" is built on nothing?

I mean come on camo you bold a few lines and suddenly it's a case, look at the people
Who just jumped on? You have your real suspects now (looking at morda blindly bandwagoning on something he didn't understand)

AtE, again.

Haha mate, I was speaking against the people who were still considering lynching the guy who's clearly town. Sorry I don't brainlessly go along with every misconceived plan Your Worship.
I'm sorry for having a different opinion to those who mindlessly bandwagon on everything you post.
I'm town, and have an invested interested in particular for the character of Chrom to remain alive, for my sake.

This entire post, save for the last line is completely pointless.

Fine, let me just consult my scum chat and see what I should do from here (I'm at work)

Be back later in 6hours or so.

This whole post is completely pointless.

TGK= much better option. Not once did I say I was clearly town due to evidence, I just simply stated that I was town, I don't expect you to believe me, but your comment contains nothing of relevance because it's full of things that I haven't said or done.
Eg: I never said people were mentioning me? Everyone was carrying on about this Em and ie business and I simply repeated myself that we were wasting time.



I have a greater investment than just an ordinary townie. I'll post my role in a second and you'll understand.

Says I'm a better option without giving anyt sort of reasoning.

This was my original role.


I used a master seal and became a falcon knight.



Love struck is my invested interest. Scum don't need to know this information right now.

SS claims. Interestingly, relief is completely useless.

@bbninjas I addressed that same point to whoever it was that said "clearly" town. Not once did I say I was clearly town, because saying so would imply there was evidence to suggest it.
I simply stated my own alignment, no evidence just my "claim".

Yes sarcasm due to annoyance, this whole case on me was for nothing (OPINION!) and I'm getting targeted for reacting, which judging off the last couple of games seems to be my new townie play (when I get suspected I get over confident and cocky because I know my alignment)

Mild AtE in the second sentence, along with trying to excuse his play by what he did before, which, if you remember, is what I did last game when I was scum.

If I were scum, then technically it would be my third time. (But we are keeping Luis' Harry Potter well in the past, as I screwed over our whole scum team )
So yep, this would be my second, but I'm not scum soo....

This whole post is completely pointless.

Yeah fine... haha

But thank you for your analysis on my case, it pretty much sums me up perfectly

Yes! The clearly town stuff was referring to EM/IE,

Ok... when I was writing my posts I didn't see what I wrote as AtE... I was trying to provide a slight hint to my role which would make more sense upon seeing my role

But yep, everything you said makes sense and it sums me up more or less perfectly!

SS is oddly agreeable in this post, but it's not enough to be scummy.

Sorry brother, I forgot to reply to this!

The reason why I posted that was yes to avoid suspicion. My understanding of the game is that it would have been a waste of time looking into me, though of course you wouldn't know that) when we could have been using our time to find scum.

To myself, I know that looking into me would be waste of time because I know I'm town, but obviously I'm the only one who knows that.


@Camoclone it's not a safe claim.

For starters any other Pegasus knight / falcon knight can confirm my skills. And due to the nature of this game I would be worried (as a host) to not give the scum too much info prior to the start of the game.
Assuming safe claims exist, scum will have claims, but because there's probably multiple characters with the same class by giving scum safe claims that can be promoted and changed would be op because they would have access to the knowledge of many abilities with the game.

Obviously we won't know until the end game
The extent of the scum safe claims, but i doubt the hosts would give them that much info.

Because of this reasoning I can kinda clear my role as not being a safe claim, but this is in know certain without knowing how much info and knowledge scum were givin in their claims.

SS states "I know I'm town" which is something I did last game when I was scum trying to save myself.

No I don't think camo claimed Sunia? He claimed a very similar ability but I'm pretty sure all Pegasus knights have the same abilities.


Obviously this is probably true, it's just not in my case



We know.

@Camoclone "I am town." Ohhhhhh I said it again :O

Not much to say about this post.

Neither of these posts are true, as I have been contributing and I have proposed an alternate lynch. Whilst during this period of pressure on me I've been trying to defend myself against the tunnelling twosome, I did contribute, and proposed an alternate lynch in TGK, who has gone quiet except to add little quips about why I should be lynched. But when I actually get to a computer I can type up my full reads for you.

You proposed an alternate lynch with exactly 1 sentence behind it and let ninjas fill in the gaps.

Ok so my computer crashed... I know what you're thinking "how convenient."

I'm off to work now, I'll be back in about 6hours and then I'll post all of my reads.

How convenient. He also has yet to post his reads outside of me.

I'm trying to not to get frustrated at you through all of this, but seriously some of us actually have full time jobs that means we can't live in the online world.

Full time means that I go to work at the same time, every day, meaning every day I have to leave, at the same time, meaning I can't be here serving your every command.



Now this excuse is totally lame and should not even be considered (especially seeings as he owns an iPad). I play every game of WW here on Pokebeach on my iPhone. I probably use my laptop once a game and thats usually to just for convenience of jumping from page to page. If you have access to this site through alternate means then a "borked computer" is hardly an excuse.

Now, as for my case, just read back to @bbninjas look at every post TGK has made. If you wanted a case from me about the same person, then I'm not going to re-invent the wheel. bb did a fine job summarising his scumminess so I find it to be totally unnecessary to repeat what has been said.

And now that I log on I find that TGK has finally reappeared to simply point out why I should be lynched...

Except your case was 1 sentence during RVS, and you just let him fill it in for you.

Also, odd how you seem to reappear to get me lynched, too.

 

[Reinforce]

Well, I agree that SS lynch gives us some info to start from if he's town or scum. What about TGK?
If he is scum, we clear SS since he tunneled him hard throughout the game meaning they are probably not scumbuddies also means we can get the same info only without the need for a townie to die.

I hardly think so. Scum tunneling their buddies hard isn't rare, because if one goes down, the other often (not always) gets some town credit. If anything, since he says he has technical problems and isn't posting a lot, and if he doesn't role claim, lynching him by the end of the day will only reveal: if he's town, what his role is and the scum probability of those who pushed for or argued against his lynch, which is vague and not solid evidence; if he's scum, it will only reveal his role, confirm that he's developing a scum meta (panicking) and the scum probability of those who pushed for or argued against his lynch, which is vague and not solid evidence. In short, whatever alignment tgk flips, we get about the same amount of "info".

This could change as the day is still not over, and tgk and everyone else might give some more info or ideas for us to work with.

I'm panicking a bit because I don't want to be lynched day 1 again.

Whatever your alignment, panicking isn't going to help you survive. It only makes people more suspicious of you, because in here (and in RL too), panicking makes it look like you're hiding something, whether you do have or not.

 

[King Xerneas]

Honestly I find it odd that Celever would try to defend TGK based on him using an iPad (when some people, i.e. me, have only used their phones/iPads for not only this entire game so far, but the last two seasons of TC I played as well). SS said it once and I'll say it my own way, if you can access the site there really is no excuse. Plus both our scum candidates have jumped on their opposing bandwagons, but I'm more set in TGK being scum than SS, because honestly getting slightly worked up for trying to prove you're town is crazy.
.

 

[bbninjas]

SS states "I know I'm town" which is something I did last game when I was scum trying to save myself.

Didn't you do this because you were trying to stay alive longer so you would be scanned so you would be cleared??

Also, @thegrovylekid I think you're misusing the term "AtE".

Also also; I totally should go through this entire thread and quote every pointless point. Because there's a lot of them from a variety of people.

Plus both our scum candidates have jumped on their opposing bandwagons

Who's "our"?

 

[Squirtle Squad]

Now keep in mind that these are opinions.

1. Ice Espeon - Practically Confirmed Town as Lissa
2. Celever - Busting my boiler atm with his new found bestie Camoclown, these two are really the only ones pushing my case, yet there is 7 votes still on me? As for a read, he's town: always pursues the wrong people but, no ones perfect.
3. thegrovylekid: Scum. Everything he's done this day has been scummy, in my biased opinion he's a much better lynch option.
4. Athena: My hunch calls scum on Athena, there was a post she made earlier that didn't sit well with me, ill scroll back to find it. But otherwise she "doesn't participate in D1" so probably a null read.
5. Professor Palutena: Hey he's defending me? I could see a scenario where he's scum and knows I'm town so is trying to gain the buddy factor if I get lynched, but otherwise I'm loving the support.
6. Empoleon_master: Town, the fact that IE's message got sent to him practically confirms him.
7. Jabberwock: Not sure atm, hasn't really posted much if I recall?
8. Camoclone: Hopefully town, but his pitbull verocity and madd tunnelling skillz are getting on my nerves. He usually lets go... probs cos I'm biting.
9. Vracken: New town? Has this guy played before?
10. King Xerneas: Has been helpful Town read!
11. Squirtle Squad: mE!
12. Luispipe8: Null read, hasn't done anything.
13. bbninjas: I think he's been sitting on the fence mostly though he seems to be more on my side? Which is cool, join the team. Could see a similar scenario to PP so possible scum, though I think town atm. Ohhh!!! I've had moment of inspiration! Ill post after this list.
14. scattered mind: Off the top of my head his contribution hasn't been huge but I'd have to double check.
15. Reinforce: Been busy so null read for now
16. mordacazir: Scum, Really no posts made and those he has have been tiny 1 sentence posts with nothin in them.
17. simsands: always helpful! As for a read Id like to say town, but he's pretty good at this game so that could swing either way.
18. double o squirtle: Doing nothing...
19. GM DracLord: Oh Drac's playing? Ok...
20. Cypher333: Not doing much..
21. The Healer: Town! Helpful for his/her? first game here

BB! There are two scum teams, though I think they are aligned the same? OP doesn't really clarify! If bb is in one of the scum teams he could be fence sitting because he's unsure if he's lynching a team mate? Thoughts?


So right now my reads are morda, TGK, Athena, bb and possibly PP. But right now I don't want to kill off my support team, so bb and PP can stay for a while

 

[Squirtle Squad]

@bbninjas im assuming he means myself and TGK.

 

[King Xerneas]

Whatever your alignment, panicking isn't going to help you survive. It only makes people more suspicious of you, because in here (and in RL too), panicking makes it look like you're hiding something, whether you do have or not.

This, all of this. Panicking really only proves you know something we're not supposed to know.