I'll get onto them :UU
Finished Werewolf XXXI: Grima's Rebirth - GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!
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Reads:
@Ice Espeon - Town bc claim
@Celever - Still neutral. He keeps on moving from scummy things to townie things to scummy things again, and is in general making odd plays, especially in regards to who they defend and the lie detection thing in general. I also think some of his logic is more flawed than usual. Definitely someone to watch.
@thegrovylekid - Neutral sliiiiight town. Woooo big change! I feel like he's been contributing and in general hasn't been doing anything I particularly find scummy any more, and the seal claim is a townier role over a scummier. It is possible that TGK is pulling exactly what I did last game when I fixed myself up after my Day 1 episode, so keeping that possibility in the back of my mind.
@Athena - Slight scum. She really isn't helping herself with her main contributions being flavour-based.
@Professor Palutena - Townie. Read on him hasn't changed.
@Empoleon_master - Town bc claim. If there is a town/scum relationship here for some reason, EM is the scum player.
@Jabberwock - Neutral. I'm not too sure at this point. Someone pointed out their contributions have sorta been lacking, but I haven't really been watching them.
@Camoclone - Sliiiiight scum. Sliiiightly townier than Day 1 because of his response to the lie detector role, but the response is pretty standard and otherwise he just got back from his absence.
@Vracken - Still neutral. Seems to have upped their contributional game since Day 1, however also seems to be trying to please people/do the townier things. I am aware the pressure to looking townie can be a legitimate pressure on an innocent, so not sure.
@King Xerneas - Neutral. I'm a bit two sided here. Not too sure though. I'd have to read back and think about things more.
@Luispipe8 - Slight town. The hammer seems to be the only thing leaving my read here as townier. I can't remember exactly what he said when he posted before and can't be bothered to go back and check. I could see Luis as scum.
@bbninjas - me <3
@scattered mind - Townie. Assertive, actively scumhunting, participating in conversation. I haven't seen anything odd. Same level as PP imo.
@Reinforce - Neutral sliiiiiiight town; same as before as inactive.
@mordacazir - Scummy. Should probably be lynched soonish, but has been a bit jumpy and otherwise off.
@simsands - Scum!
@GM DracLord - Slight scum mainly because the same read as before as I haven't been watching them too closely.
@Cypher333 - Inactive. e.e
@The Healer - Neutral. Still unsure what to think. Seems to be making contributions, but may be holding back? Not too sure since haven't ever played with them.
@Ice Espeon - Town bc claim
@Celever - Still neutral. He keeps on moving from scummy things to townie things to scummy things again, and is in general making odd plays, especially in regards to who they defend and the lie detection thing in general. I also think some of his logic is more flawed than usual. Definitely someone to watch.
@thegrovylekid - Neutral sliiiiight town. Woooo big change! I feel like he's been contributing and in general hasn't been doing anything I particularly find scummy any more, and the seal claim is a townier role over a scummier. It is possible that TGK is pulling exactly what I did last game when I fixed myself up after my Day 1 episode, so keeping that possibility in the back of my mind.
@Athena - Slight scum. She really isn't helping herself with her main contributions being flavour-based.
@Professor Palutena - Townie. Read on him hasn't changed.
@Empoleon_master - Town bc claim. If there is a town/scum relationship here for some reason, EM is the scum player.
@Jabberwock - Neutral. I'm not too sure at this point. Someone pointed out their contributions have sorta been lacking, but I haven't really been watching them.
@Camoclone - Sliiiiight scum. Sliiiightly townier than Day 1 because of his response to the lie detector role, but the response is pretty standard and otherwise he just got back from his absence.
@Vracken - Still neutral. Seems to have upped their contributional game since Day 1, however also seems to be trying to please people/do the townier things. I am aware the pressure to looking townie can be a legitimate pressure on an innocent, so not sure.
@King Xerneas - Neutral. I'm a bit two sided here. Not too sure though. I'd have to read back and think about things more.
@Luispipe8 - Slight town. The hammer seems to be the only thing leaving my read here as townier. I can't remember exactly what he said when he posted before and can't be bothered to go back and check. I could see Luis as scum.
@bbninjas - me <3
@scattered mind - Townie. Assertive, actively scumhunting, participating in conversation. I haven't seen anything odd. Same level as PP imo.
@Reinforce - Neutral sliiiiiiight town; same as before as inactive.
@mordacazir - Scummy. Should probably be lynched soonish, but has been a bit jumpy and otherwise off.
@simsands - Scum!
@GM DracLord - Slight scum mainly because the same read as before as I haven't been watching them too closely.
@Cypher333 - Inactive. e.e
@The Healer - Neutral. Still unsure what to think. Seems to be making contributions, but may be holding back? Not too sure since haven't ever played with them.
Wait for me to get back from work if you can, so I will post my reads too.
I suppose I should do one of these, as well.
- Ice Espeon - Cleared by both EM and my ability.
- Celever - While he's definitely been acting odd, he's starting to look town, mainly because of 'the thing that should not be named'.
- thegrovylekid - His ability has been confirmed. I don't think I can see it belonging to scum.
- Athena - No read yet.
- Professor Palutena - I was thinking slight scum earlier, but I can't remember why.
- Empoleon_master - Cleared by both IE and my ability.
- Jabberwock - Became more helpful after it was pointed out that he was posting meaningless posts. Could indicate scum.
- Camoclone - Slight town, his pressure on SS seemed like something town Camo would do...
- Vracken - No read yet.
- King Xerneas - Feels like he's mostly been goofing around so far, which isn't too towny. But then again, I could see myself doing the same with a boring role, so I guess it doesn't automatically make him scum.. Still, leaning scum.
- Luispipe8 - As I pointed out earlier, he completely ignored the fact that bb could be scum. Leaning scum.
- bbninjas - I would assume he's scum.
- scattered mind - He has seemed quite towny.
- Reinforce - No read yet.
- mordacazir - He is definitely acting scummy.
- simsands - Almost dead x.x
- GM DracLord - He invited me to a QT earlier today and has since then been asking some scummy questions (Like, trying to pressure me for my role). He is looking scummy.
- Cypher333 - The only post I can remember seeing from him was scummy.
- The Healer - No read yet.
He isn't the best lynch right now, though.
Well, due to this whole lie detector thing, I think that award goes to you! Dx
Besides that, I think Xerneas is a good option. We really need some info roles on a couple of the big question marks like mordacizir, though.
Or, we could avoid lynching another town and simultaneously clear my name.
I can't say I disagree, I just don't think they're the best options.
Besides bb, I think GM, actually.
Do check again, I posted something already which none of you commented about thus, what else do you want from me
I'm pretty much sure simsands wouldn't communicate with me there anymore since I expressed my view on him here.
Here is the whole conversation between the two of us, the only information REMOVED is my role name.
It's up to you guys if you think I'm scummy due to this.
And either, EM or simsands care to post the exact wording of "Seed of Trust". So we can confirm you actually used it or you guys are QT buddies from the beginning
Here is the whole conversation between the two of us, the only information REMOVED is my role name.
It's up to you guys if you think I'm scummy due to this.
21 MQ Dread 2-15-2016/11:16 PM ET (US)
As sign of good faith,
"I'm (REDACTED)"
20 Simsands 02-15-2016/02:32 PM ET (US)
Maybe it wouldn't affect me that much, but I see no reason to give any more information than what I already have if you're still keeping quiet o.o
19 GM DracLord 02-15-2016/02:22 PM ET (US)
Same reason why I should note vote for you, evading is also seems scummy since me knowing role name wouldnt effect you, Im not asking for full role.. Just to see how you are related to em..your share qt with em is the only much i can confirm..
1 Simsands 02-15-2016/01:28 PM ET (US)
Seriously though, you seem really scummy for asking this. Why shouldn't I just vote you?
17 Simsands 02-15-2016/05:21 AM ET (US)
You could say that.
16 GM DracLord 02-15-2016/03:42 AM ET (US)
Fair enough.
So roughly said, you guys are mason partner right,
15 Simsands 02-15-2016/02:07 AM ET (US)
No, not right now, I still don't know if I can trust you.
14 GM DracLord 02-14-2016/11:22 PM ET (US)
EM is Chrom right, any chance I could catch your role name.
13 Simsands 02-14-2016/03:19 PM ET (US)
Yes, with EM.
12 MQ Dread 02-14-2016/01:18 PM ET (US)
While mine is kinda the most boring since I have to hope the best happen.
So do you belong to any other QT?
11 Simsands 02-14-2016/10:54 AM ET (US)
Hmm... I think I understand..
Right now, I can say this much, while I don't have any information, my role is - unlike SS's - related to Chrom, making EM almost guaranteed town.
10 GM DracLord 02-14-2016/09:21 AM ET (US)
Genrally speaking, if I want to survive the game you are my only hope.
9 Simsands 02-14-2016/05:40 AM ET (US)
You're tied with me? What do you mean?
8 MQ Dread 02-14-2016/02:09 AM ET (US)
But what I know is, I'm tied with you for now
7 GM DracLord 02-13-2016/11:37 PM ET (US)
The same answer as how am I sure you are town?
6 Simsands 02-13-2016/02:55 PM ET (US)
And I know you're town.. how?
5 MQ Dread 02-13-2016/02:34 PM ET (US)
I was hoping we could be sharing information between one another.
4 MQ Dread 02-13-2016/02:22 PM ET (US)
Hello,
3 Vom 02-13-2016/08:58 AM ET (US)
Drac's not on right now, but he should answer when he comes back.
2 Simsands 02-13-2016/08:50 AM ET (US)
Hi? o.o
1 Vom 02-13-2016/08:45 AM ET (US)
Hey, you got your own QT! How cool is that. :U
As sign of good faith,
"I'm (REDACTED)"
20 Simsands 02-15-2016/02:32 PM ET (US)
Maybe it wouldn't affect me that much, but I see no reason to give any more information than what I already have if you're still keeping quiet o.o
19 GM DracLord 02-15-2016/02:22 PM ET (US)
Same reason why I should note vote for you, evading is also seems scummy since me knowing role name wouldnt effect you, Im not asking for full role.. Just to see how you are related to em..your share qt with em is the only much i can confirm..
1 Simsands 02-15-2016/01:28 PM ET (US)
Seriously though, you seem really scummy for asking this. Why shouldn't I just vote you?
17 Simsands 02-15-2016/05:21 AM ET (US)
You could say that.
16 GM DracLord 02-15-2016/03:42 AM ET (US)
Fair enough.
So roughly said, you guys are mason partner right,
15 Simsands 02-15-2016/02:07 AM ET (US)
No, not right now, I still don't know if I can trust you.
14 GM DracLord 02-14-2016/11:22 PM ET (US)
EM is Chrom right, any chance I could catch your role name.
13 Simsands 02-14-2016/03:19 PM ET (US)
Yes, with EM.
12 MQ Dread 02-14-2016/01:18 PM ET (US)
While mine is kinda the most boring since I have to hope the best happen.
So do you belong to any other QT?
11 Simsands 02-14-2016/10:54 AM ET (US)
Hmm... I think I understand..
Right now, I can say this much, while I don't have any information, my role is - unlike SS's - related to Chrom, making EM almost guaranteed town.
10 GM DracLord 02-14-2016/09:21 AM ET (US)
Genrally speaking, if I want to survive the game you are my only hope.
9 Simsands 02-14-2016/05:40 AM ET (US)
You're tied with me? What do you mean?
8 MQ Dread 02-14-2016/02:09 AM ET (US)
But what I know is, I'm tied with you for now
7 GM DracLord 02-13-2016/11:37 PM ET (US)
The same answer as how am I sure you are town?
6 Simsands 02-13-2016/02:55 PM ET (US)
And I know you're town.. how?
5 MQ Dread 02-13-2016/02:34 PM ET (US)
I was hoping we could be sharing information between one another.
4 MQ Dread 02-13-2016/02:22 PM ET (US)
Hello,
3 Vom 02-13-2016/08:58 AM ET (US)
Drac's not on right now, but he should answer when he comes back.
2 Simsands 02-13-2016/08:50 AM ET (US)
Hi? o.o
1 Vom 02-13-2016/08:45 AM ET (US)
Hey, you got your own QT! How cool is that. :U
And either, EM or simsands care to post the exact wording of "Seed of Trust". So we can confirm you actually used it or you guys are QT buddies from the beginning
##UNVOTE
Ice Espeon - Inno Leaning - Mostly as a result of Lissa claim, which is pretty solid. That said, he's really been coasting on the claim and hasn't participated a whole lot outside of that, mostly talking to EM. Was on my joke Camo vote D1 for no given raisin.
Celever - Slight Scum - I feel like he's being overly obtuse, quick to judge, spouting bad logic, picking a lot of fights. He's trying to lead people around more than I am comfortable with. The lack of interaction with Camo is abnormal. Perhaps it's at least partially the fact that he hasn't been getting nearly as much early-game flack as I'm used to is part of this read. However, the most prolific posters in the thread (111 posts as of the time I'm typing this), and I acknowledge that it's often easier to find things to pick at on people when they post a lot, which is why this is only a slight scum. Was one of the earlier votes on the SS lynch D1 after bouncing around a lot. D2 has been vote bouncing a lot again.
thegrovylekid - Slight Inno - I've got a decent idea who is role is based on his power, and that and the proven ability are mostly the reasons for this read. In terms of thread stuff, his posts seem to be more style than substance (though I did like his write-up on morda) and would probably have given him a "slight scum" reading if left on their own. Was an early/mid bandwagon vote on SS D1 and an early vote on simsands after BB posted his update.
Professor Palutena - Neutral - He's made a decent amount of posts and is contributing well enough, but doesn't really stand out to me much in any way. Midrange vote on SS, but not as bandwagony feeling as a lot of others.
Empoleon_master - Inno Leaning - The Chrom claim is very strong. I don't really understand his playstyle at all, but I have no reason to doubt his claim or feel that it's false. Didn't vote D1 or D2.
Jabberwock - Neutral/Slight Scum - Basically see my read on PP but with like half as many posts. His D1 bandwagon vote on SS rings some slight bells but eh. Wagoning on morda again today. I kind of want to push this to a slight scum read but I have no actual reason to do so just gut so... eh, screw it, I'll change it. (For the record, this read was originally "Neutral").
Camoclone - Totally Scum 100% - In all seriousness, I think most people know by know that I am really not a fan of Camo's playstyle. I'm glad to see he's toned it done somewhat this game, but I still find him very difficult to read. Started the push on SS. So, yeah, neutral I guess.
Vracken - Neutral - New player learning the ropes, I think. They seem to be kind of flying all over the place. They voted for SS on D1 for reasons I'm not even sure they fully understood. I don't really have any reason to believe anything in terms of scum/town leaning.
King Xerneas - Slight Scum/Neutral - When I put together my initial list before even going back and looking at posts, I had KX marked as "slight scum" and a bunch of question marks, but now I'm not sure why I have this feeling. They were somewhat active in the vote against SS, I suppose, but also TGK, so maybe it was the waffling there that set me off. I don't know. Maybe because they're flopping a lot? Going to add a /Neutral to my opening read.
Luispipe8 - Neutral - Lurking and not participating much, but with reason. I don't hold it against him. That said, I feel like most of his contributions have been kind of meta. I don't really like how black and white he's presenting the BB/simsands case. If he were able to post more this might actually be bumped into a slight scum read but it's hard to get a good feel with just a few shallow posts. Was kindasorta on the SS wagon D1 but didn't actually vote until after SS hammered himself.
bbninjas - Slight Inno - The lie detector thing would be a pretty ballsy move if it were made up, and I don't see why a non-inno would have it. Aside from role information, I get a kind of neutral (maybe slight inno) read from his posts, despite him encouraging everyone to spam up the thread, and his waffling on D1. Almost as many posts as Celever, yeesh. Late SS voter D1. Main contributor for the lynch D2.
scattered mind - Slight Scum - Like KX, I had this read down before I look into any posts and I'm not sure where I got it from. Looking over posts, I think it's kind of an overall tone issue, short posts with lots of questions and a feeling of aggression. Kind of reminds me of Camo but less helpful. Maybe that's just playstyle? It does come across as negative to me. I don't really have anything concrete to point to though. He was pretty vocal about lynching SS D1.
Reinforce - Neutral - Forgot he was even playing. His first game post is voting for the person who ended up being the N1 NK, so that's kind of interesting but probably meaningless. He's only really started decently contributing recently. D1 off-vote. Early on the morda push today.
mordacazir - Slight Scum - Bandwagoning and flopping around a lot mostly. Lots of weird statements that don't sit well to me. Overall tone feels off. This could be a playstyle thing that I'm not used to, like SM, but I guess other people are seeing it too. Still, I'm not sure if this read is high enough to warrant the amount of votes he was gather earlier in the day. Early, very bandwagony vote on SS D1.
simsands - Leaning Scum - Lie detector is against him. His claim could easily be cover for a mounted scum member (like Walhart). His D1 was was an off-vote and specifically meant as a push against the SS vote at the time, which could be scum trying to distance himself from an inno lynch, especially considering he was posting earlier about how he didn't like SS's claim. Very defensive today; not that I can blame him for that. I think it's our best lynch now for sure.
GM DracLord - ??? - I always have a hard time reading Drac. He hasn't been posting a lot either which makes this extra difficult. If simsands flips scum, though, I think that will be some inno points in Drac's flavour since I don't think the QT convo makes much sense otherwise.
Cypher333 - Neutral - Another one that I forgot was playing. Wins the award for least posts, I think. Comments are mostly short and off-topic, or about flavour. Hasn't voted.
The Healer - Slight Inno - New user, yay! \o/ Hasn't been super active, but reasonably helpful. This is really the only slight inno read I have that has nothing to do with role, but I think it's mostly because their posts are very consistent and now how I would expect a community newbie to play if they were scum, so I guess that makes it kinda meta. Didn't vote D1; currently on the morda push.
That.... took way too long for me to put together. I think I'm going to go collapse in a corner and rest my eyes now.
Celever - Slight Scum - I feel like he's being overly obtuse, quick to judge, spouting bad logic, picking a lot of fights. He's trying to lead people around more than I am comfortable with. The lack of interaction with Camo is abnormal. Perhaps it's at least partially the fact that he hasn't been getting nearly as much early-game flack as I'm used to is part of this read. However, the most prolific posters in the thread (111 posts as of the time I'm typing this), and I acknowledge that it's often easier to find things to pick at on people when they post a lot, which is why this is only a slight scum. Was one of the earlier votes on the SS lynch D1 after bouncing around a lot. D2 has been vote bouncing a lot again.
thegrovylekid - Slight Inno - I've got a decent idea who is role is based on his power, and that and the proven ability are mostly the reasons for this read. In terms of thread stuff, his posts seem to be more style than substance (though I did like his write-up on morda) and would probably have given him a "slight scum" reading if left on their own. Was an early/mid bandwagon vote on SS D1 and an early vote on simsands after BB posted his update.
Professor Palutena - Neutral - He's made a decent amount of posts and is contributing well enough, but doesn't really stand out to me much in any way. Midrange vote on SS, but not as bandwagony feeling as a lot of others.
Empoleon_master - Inno Leaning - The Chrom claim is very strong. I don't really understand his playstyle at all, but I have no reason to doubt his claim or feel that it's false. Didn't vote D1 or D2.
Jabberwock - Neutral/Slight Scum - Basically see my read on PP but with like half as many posts. His D1 bandwagon vote on SS rings some slight bells but eh. Wagoning on morda again today. I kind of want to push this to a slight scum read but I have no actual reason to do so just gut so... eh, screw it, I'll change it. (For the record, this read was originally "Neutral").
Camoclone - Totally Scum 100% - In all seriousness, I think most people know by know that I am really not a fan of Camo's playstyle. I'm glad to see he's toned it done somewhat this game, but I still find him very difficult to read. Started the push on SS. So, yeah, neutral I guess.
Vracken - Neutral - New player learning the ropes, I think. They seem to be kind of flying all over the place. They voted for SS on D1 for reasons I'm not even sure they fully understood. I don't really have any reason to believe anything in terms of scum/town leaning.
King Xerneas - Slight Scum/Neutral - When I put together my initial list before even going back and looking at posts, I had KX marked as "slight scum" and a bunch of question marks, but now I'm not sure why I have this feeling. They were somewhat active in the vote against SS, I suppose, but also TGK, so maybe it was the waffling there that set me off. I don't know. Maybe because they're flopping a lot? Going to add a /Neutral to my opening read.
Luispipe8 - Neutral - Lurking and not participating much, but with reason. I don't hold it against him. That said, I feel like most of his contributions have been kind of meta. I don't really like how black and white he's presenting the BB/simsands case. If he were able to post more this might actually be bumped into a slight scum read but it's hard to get a good feel with just a few shallow posts. Was kindasorta on the SS wagon D1 but didn't actually vote until after SS hammered himself.
bbninjas - Slight Inno - The lie detector thing would be a pretty ballsy move if it were made up, and I don't see why a non-inno would have it. Aside from role information, I get a kind of neutral (maybe slight inno) read from his posts, despite him encouraging everyone to spam up the thread, and his waffling on D1. Almost as many posts as Celever, yeesh. Late SS voter D1. Main contributor for the lynch D2.
scattered mind - Slight Scum - Like KX, I had this read down before I look into any posts and I'm not sure where I got it from. Looking over posts, I think it's kind of an overall tone issue, short posts with lots of questions and a feeling of aggression. Kind of reminds me of Camo but less helpful. Maybe that's just playstyle? It does come across as negative to me. I don't really have anything concrete to point to though. He was pretty vocal about lynching SS D1.
Reinforce - Neutral - Forgot he was even playing. His first game post is voting for the person who ended up being the N1 NK, so that's kind of interesting but probably meaningless. He's only really started decently contributing recently. D1 off-vote. Early on the morda push today.
mordacazir - Slight Scum - Bandwagoning and flopping around a lot mostly. Lots of weird statements that don't sit well to me. Overall tone feels off. This could be a playstyle thing that I'm not used to, like SM, but I guess other people are seeing it too. Still, I'm not sure if this read is high enough to warrant the amount of votes he was gather earlier in the day. Early, very bandwagony vote on SS D1.
simsands - Leaning Scum - Lie detector is against him. His claim could easily be cover for a mounted scum member (like Walhart). His D1 was was an off-vote and specifically meant as a push against the SS vote at the time, which could be scum trying to distance himself from an inno lynch, especially considering he was posting earlier about how he didn't like SS's claim. Very defensive today; not that I can blame him for that. I think it's our best lynch now for sure.
GM DracLord - ??? - I always have a hard time reading Drac. He hasn't been posting a lot either which makes this extra difficult. If simsands flips scum, though, I think that will be some inno points in Drac's flavour since I don't think the QT convo makes much sense otherwise.
Cypher333 - Neutral - Another one that I forgot was playing. Wins the award for least posts, I think. Comments are mostly short and off-topic, or about flavour. Hasn't voted.
The Healer - Slight Inno - New user, yay! \o/ Hasn't been super active, but reasonably helpful. This is really the only slight inno read I have that has nothing to do with role, but I think it's mostly because their posts are very consistent and now how I would expect a community newbie to play if they were scum, so I guess that makes it kinda meta. Didn't vote D1; currently on the morda push.
That.... took way too long for me to put together. I think I'm going to go collapse in a corner and rest my eyes now.
What? You first said that you could pseudo-confirm me being in a QT with EM, then you simply put your vote on me. Why would this make me not want to speak with you, in the case that you were town? I'm not gonna lie, I do probably look like the best option, so mistakenly voting me wouldn't make me hate you, even if it's the wrong move... If you were town, we would benefit from continuing the chat, if we were able to trust each other.
Or, did you realize that I probably understood what you were hinting at in the redacted part?
Bbninjas why did you chose to scan simands instead of anyone else?
$10 says his silence will fall when the question is asked. Btw if you got that dr who reference you are awesome.
$10 says his silence will fall when the question is asked. Btw if you got that dr who reference you are awesome.
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