Finished Werewolf XXXI: Grima's Rebirth - GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!

[Celever]

You were majorly defending a player that ended up scanning scum under a lie detector who also flipped scum. That's a lot of doubt. Responding with "in hindsight..." implies that now you look back it all makes sense, but why didn't it make sense before? Backing that up further with "my reads were wrong, shoot me" is an odd response to defending for a scanned player.

I didn't believe your results, so I was relying on reads. /le shrug

I still don't, really. If TGK really did scumslip earlier (which we can only find out upon his flip, since it's not incriminating) then you're probably his scum seer partner.

I feel like saying this is a dumbtell (isn't the item from the chest and the ability to attack part of your class?) but I can see why you would ask this considering what TGK pointed out.

Yeah, item from chest and some classes have the ability to attack thanks to class-specific skills. This is all in the OP.

For example, even if I got a weapon right now, I wouldn't be able to use it. I can't reclass right now because of other players, so I'm not gonna be able to attack for this game until one particularly annoying player is dead. Nor would I really want to, though, given how anti-town and unpredictable attacking in general is.

I think I know why, but am curious of EM's response.

Wait a second, @Celever, what has EM claimed for his reclass each night?

He hasn't gone into any more detail than he started as Lord (obvo) and last night (on Night 2) used his first Second Seal to reclass into Archer. This means that at best he had the class skills of Lord and Great Lord available to him, in other words Dual Strike+, Charm, Rightful King and Aether. None of these would permit EM to use a weapon at night, and I'm still waiting for him to prove me wrong on this. If not, he's got a safeclaim.

 

[bbninjas]

@Empoleon_master

When on which day did simsands set up a QT with you? Was it after you were soft-cleared (by IE)?

 

[Empoleon_master]

Wow, there is quite a bit subtle manipulation in those quotes. Be careful to not let that affect your judgement.


I originally thought there was a connection (i.e. same team but split off) but I think its different teams on simsand's flip.


I feel like saying this is a dumbtell (isn't the item from the chest and the ability to attack part of your class?) but I can see why you would ask this considering what TGK pointed out.


I think I know why, but am curious of EM's response. Wait a second, @Celever, what has EM claimed for his reclass each night?

I think I did or didn't claim a class before as that and my immunity to towny attacks during the night were snipped because the last part sounds super scummy.

Also @Vom can you please explain how the archer ability was likely a copy/paste with different affects and you likely forgot to change the name of that skill? And please explain how I can use a sword while being and archer, that makes no sense to even me.

 

[Empoleon_master]

@Empoleon_master

When on which day did simsands set up a QT with you? Was it after you were soft-cleared (by IE)?

N1

I didn't believe your results, so I was relying on reads. /le shrug

I still don't, really. If TGK really did scumslip earlier (which we can only find out upon his flip, since it's not incriminating) then you're probably his scum seer partner.

Yeah, item from chest and some classes have the ability to attack thanks to class-specific skills. This is all in the OP.

For example, even if I got a weapon right now, I wouldn't be able to use it. I can't reclass right now because of other players, so I'm not gonna be able to attack for this game until one particularly annoying player is dead. Nor would I really want to, though, given how anti-town and unpredictable attacking in general is.

He hasn't gone into any more detail than he started as Lord (obvo) and last night (on Night 2) used his first Second Seal to reclass into Archer. This means that at best he had the class skills of Lord and Great Lord available to him, in other words Dual Strike+, Charm, Rightful King and Aether. None of these would permit EM to use a weapon at night, and I'm still waiting for him to prove me wrong on this. If not, he's got a safeclaim.

@Vom can you please confirm that it's part of the game mechanics to allow me to attack someone and use say a second seal in the same night as per the rules?

 

[bbninjas]

I didn't believe your results, so I was relying on reads. /le shrug

You seem to be on the complete opposite spectrum to what you were in last game's seer episode, which is... interesting.

 

[Empoleon_master]

Also here was the majority of the mostly irrelevant stuff about the wyrm slayer I got night 0 I think.

You've obtained a chest! It contains:

Wyrmslayer: Deals 20 damage, 40 damage if attacking a Wyvern or a Manakete.

Question, in the op you said that certain metals trumped others etc so what type of metal is my new weapon made from?

It would be the equivalent of a Steel Sword.

We did't mean that, we meant that Silver dealt more damage than Steel and that Steel dealt more damage than Iron.

 

[Celever]

@Vom can you please confirm that it's part of the game mechanics to allow me to attack someone and use say a second seal in the same night as per the rules?

Yes I know that it is. What skill is allowing or allowed you to attack? This is dumbtelling, I cannot say that question any more clearly.

 

[Celever]

You seem to be on the complete opposite spectrum to what you were in last game's seer episode, which is... interesting.

That's because you have a reputation of ballsy scum plays. It makes me doubt you more to be safe, and lie detector is an awkward WIFOMy role which gives you more control over your results because you can tell your scumbuddies not to post that "they are town" so that it restricts your targets.

 

[Empoleon_master]

Yes I know that it is. What skill is allowing or allowed you to attack? This is dumbtelling, I cannot say that question any more clearly.

idk I'll post the stuff now. this was when I was a Lord #lordsbefancy

Spoiler: all of my classes

You are Chrom. The prince of Ylisse and descendant of the Hero King. While of noble blood, you also lead a militia known as the Shepherds. Your strong conviction makes you a fine captain. The most likely to break things.​

Ability: Snip

Class: Lord

Skill: Dual Strike+
During the Night, you may PM me to use this Skill. Target a player. They will be damaged based on your current sword.

Skill: Charm
Town players that target you with attacks will be unable to damage you.

Current Health: 80/80

Re-Classing:

• Master Seal - Great Lord
• Second Seal - Cavalier, Archer

Win Condition: Eliminate all non town-aligned players.

This was what I am now, an archer.

You are Chrom. The prince of Ylisse and descendant of the Hero King. While of noble blood, you also lead a militia known as the Shepherds. Your strong conviction makes you a fine captain. The most likely to break things.​

Ability: *snip again*

Class: Archer

Skill: Skill+2
All Item effects aimed at you are reduced.

Skill: Charm
Placing the first vote of the Day gives you a 25% chance to evade all damage and the Night Kill in the upcoming Night.

Current Health: 80/80

Re-Classing:

• Master Seal (2) - Sniper
  
• Second Seal (2) - Cavalier, Lord

Win Condition: Eliminate all non town-aligned players.

 

[Empoleon_master]

That's because you have a reputation of ballsy scum plays. It makes me doubt you more to be safe, and lie detector is an awkward WIFOMy role which gives you more control over your results because you can tell your scumbuddies not to post that "they are town" so that it restricts your targets.

This is false, if he was scum1 he could have just faked the results. Are you really trying to say that he couldn't fake them being town ie "naga says this is true" it's not like a GM can smite him for saying "omg you misquoted my post and LIED BAN HAMMER!"

 

[Celever]

Fine, that was the only answer I was looking for, thank you. That's believable enough for now.

This is false, if he was scum1 he could have just faked the results. Are you really trying to say that he couldn't fake them being town ie "naga says this is true" it's not like a GM can smite him for saying "omg you misquoted my post and LIED BAN HAMMER!"

Lynch All Liars is a policy every townmember plays by, except for with you because you're unfortunately Chrom. Townmembers don't lie, and they shouldn't lie. If their read is wrong, it's counter-productive as.

 

[bbninjas]

That's because you have a reputation of ballsy scum plays. It makes me doubt you more to be safe, and lie detector is an awkward WIFOMy role which gives you more control over your results because you can tell your scumbuddies not to post that "they are town" so that it restricts your targets.

Reputation of one ballsy scum play (seer claim forge for morda)? Also, sidenote, it is amusing that here it appears that you were sure I was a town lie detector, but that has since straggled off into a "he's probably scum". Sounds a scummily inconsistent.

This is false, if he was scum1 he could have just faked the results. Are you really trying to say that he couldn't fake them being town ie "naga says this is true" it's not like a GM can smite him for saying "omg you misquoted my post and LIED BAN HAMMER!"

Scum me bussing someone like simsands is a legitimate (albiet stupid considering their role) play.

Townmembers don't lie, and they shouldn't lie. If their read is wrong, it's counter-productive as.

*generally don't lie

 

[Celever]

Reputation of one ballsy scum play (seer claim forge for morda)? Also, sidenote, it is amusing that here it appears that you were sure I was a town lie detector, but that has since straggled off into a "he's probably scum". Sounds a scummily inconsistent.

Where in that post do I say you're town? >~< I answered KX based on what we knew at that moment in time -- nothing more than that. I wouldn't have my opinions taint an answer to a straightforward question.

*generally don't lie

On very rare occasions it's acceptable, granted. Not like EM is doing, though.

 

[Empoleon_master]

Fine, that was the only answer I was looking for, thank you. That's believable enough for now.

Lynch All Liars is a policy every townmember plays by, except for with you because you're unfortunately Chrom. Townmembers don't lie, and they shouldn't lie. If their read is wrong, it's counter-productive as.

This is WW everybody has to lie in this game, whether it be by say snipping an ability or not revealing something.

Lastly, because someone's going to become meat on a skewer tonight I figure why waste the vote?
##unvote ##vote jabberwock

Please post insert things that would stop you from being scum and otherwise voting so soon, we know you're an archer already, because you "conveniently" posted a vote 3 minutes after day 3 started and thus stopping from me getting the vote.

 

[Celever]

@Empoleon_master, stop assuming everything. It's way more likely that Jabber isn't an Archer than he is. Multiple people posted before you did, and Jabber just came in all guns blazing I guess. This in no way implies he is an Archer.

 

[thegrovylekid]

Please post insert things that would stop you from being scum and otherwise voting so soon, we know you're an archer already, because you "conveniently" posted a vote 3 minutes after day 3 started and thus stopping from me getting the vote.

This reasoning is extremely flawed. Following that, you could have said simsands was an archer because he was the first person to vote yesterday.

 

[Celever]

This reasoning is extremely flawed. Following that, you could have said simsands was an archer because he was the first person to vote yesterday.

He's just salty because he doesn't get this protection, and he's paranoid that people are going to attack him. And he doesn't understand perspective.

 

[bbninjas]

Where in that post do I say you're town? >~< I answered KX based on what we knew at that moment in time -- nothing more than that. I wouldn't have my opinions taint an answer to a straightforward question.

In that post you imply that I am not scum as scum will be the ones killing me. How does what you knew later affect your read in that post?

On very rare occasions it's acceptable, granted. Not like EM is doing, though.

Agreed.

This is WW everybody has to lie in this game, whether it be by say snipping an ability or not revealing something.

He means you lying and causing insane confusion once you do.

Lastly, because someone's going to become meat on a skewer tonight I figure why waste the vote?
##unvote ##vote jabberwock

Please post insert things that would stop you from being scum and otherwise voting so soon, we know you're an archer already, because you "conveniently" posted a vote 3 minutes after day 3 started and thus stopping from me getting the vote.

e.e

 

[bbninjas]

Reputation of one ballsy scum play (seer claim forge for morda)?

Also you ignored this @Celever

 

[Celever]

In that post you imply that I am not scum as scum will be the ones killing me. How does what you knew later affect your read in that post?

The issue here is you think every post is riddled with subjectivity. If someone asks a straightforward question about game mechanics, I'll answer it in an up-front, neutral and objective manner. This is always my policy.