Finished Werewolf XXXI: Grima's Rebirth - GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!

[thegrovylekid]

Secondly it's me, you make it sound as if I could write legible stuff n the first place. Lastly, my defence for being scum is equal to or better than yours, which said and I can't quote on my ipod "if you kill me you'll be killing a town member, not scum" I think that is the single best defence in the history of werewolf, I mean wow, I give up, you got me for any other proof neccisary to confirm you as town. :/

You haven't exactly made an effort to defend yourself, either.

The only reason you haven't been lynched yet since day 1 is someone's always been there to soft clear you or get irrefutable evidence on someone else. The only reason you haven't been nightkilled yet, and will never be nightkilled, is because you're screwing over the town during the day with your lying, confusing, and derailing everything.

Food for thought.

 

[Jabberwock]

Have you tried vulcan nerve pinching yourself?

Secondly it's me, you make it sound as if I could write legible stuff n the first place. Lastly, my defence for being scum is equal to or better than yours, which said and I can't quote on my ipod "if you kill me you'll be killing a town member, not scum" I think that is the single best defence in the history of werewolf, I mean wow, I give up, you got me for any other proof neccisary to confirm you as town. :/

Self-deprecation doesn't really work, EM. Please just make an effort to contribute.

You also have (or had) a solid defense for being scum, as IE's mason. At this point it's a policy lynch.

 

[Reinforce]

You know, looking at you guys' posts makes me feel like you're already decided and anything I say from now on isn't going to change your mind @_@

But here it is anyways. I think the simplest way to explain would be to claim my role and the results I got from it.

You are Naga, the Divine Dragon. You are the leader of the Divine Dragon tribe, but due to your generosity toward humanity, are often hailed as a god. You’ve been awakened by the Shepherds, and have chosen to aid them in their fight against Grima. The one with a passion for helping others.

Ability: Divine Intervention
Once per Night, you may PM me a player name. You will learn their role name.

Class: Divine Dragon

Current Health: 110/110

Re-Classing:

• Master Seal - N/A
• Second Seal - N/A

Win Condition: Eliminate all non town-aligned players.

And here are results:

N1

Divine Intervention Results: Using your otherwordly power, you have learned that bbninjas is in fact Libra, an Ylissean priest.

N2

Divine Intervention Results: Just as you were about to use your otherworldly power on GM_Draclord, a rift opened out of nowhere, and you targeted Camoclone instead, learning that he is Lon'qu, a Feroxi master of swordplay.

Yes, I did try for GM_Draclord, because I suspected the private communication he had with simsands, but I got re-directed. I'm not sure how the mechanics of tracking/watching results would work, but I probably still "officially" targeted GM_Draclord... That's what I suppose, anyway.

As for the kill on GM_Draclord, I was thinking and about to post this (before I ended up on the chopping block instead), but the flavor of his kill got me curious. Specifically, the part where it said Walhart was supposed to be the killer, but instead it was someone else. If the theory that Walhart's killing ability wasn't passed onto his team because it wasn't stated as such in the ability/role can be considered (unlike in my game and other previous WW games), then it might be an indie kill. The OP did state we may have a third faction of Independents at work here, which could also give a possible explanation on why it couldn't be tracked/watched. I've seen before some indie kills that tend to be given special properties like that.

That's a couple of my theories, if you guys are still willing to read them and aren't trapped in the thought bubble that 'Reinforce is scum!' and got your minds closed to alternative possibilities already.

 

[Empoleon_master]

Don't bother trying to get contribution out of him. He hasn't managed it yet despite me asking straight up questions to do so. He's still only talked about not-me-or-Camo once and that was that hilariously bad post about Jabber.

@Professor Palutena, my hand is forced in communicating with EM a lot because he's killing me. I know that the town's primary asset is its numbers, and I've talked about this yesterday too when people have brought it up. Once EM is done killing me, he's gonna kill Camo. Once he's done killing Camo, he could kill anyone else. That means that if Camo is town, which I don't have a particular opinion on right now, we would have a net loss of 1 townie over the course of this game by not lynching EM.

In theory, anyway.

He clamed town by essentially saying killing me is killing a town's member.

Also @Vom @keeperofnight can you explain to me how I was able to attack last night without an attacking skill?

 

[Celever]

He clamed town by essentially saying killing me is killing a town's member.

Also @Vom @keeperofnight can you explain to me how I was able to attack last night without an attacking skill?

Reclassing happens at the end of the night. At that moment in time, you had an attackin skill. We've been over this.

You know, looking at you guys' posts makes me feel like you're already decided and anything I say from now on isn't going to change your mind @_@

But here it is anyways. I think the simplest way to explain would be to claim my role and the results I got from it.



And here are results:

N1


N2


Yes, I did try for GM_Draclord, because I suspected the private communication he had with simsands, but I got re-directed. I'm not sure how the mechanics of tracking/watching results would work, but I probably still "officially" targeted GM_Draclord... That's what I suppose, anyway.

As for the kill on GM_Draclord, I was thinking and about to post this (before I ended up on the chopping block instead), but the flavor of his kill got me curious. Specifically, the part where it said Walhart was supposed to be the killer, but instead it was someone else. If the theory that Walhart's killing ability wasn't passed onto his team because it wasn't stated as such in the ability/role can be considered (unlike in my game and other previous WW games), then it might be an indie kill. The OP did state we may have a third faction of Independents at work here, which could also give a possible explanation on why it couldn't be tracked/watched. I've seen before some indie kills that tend to be given special properties like that.

That's a couple of my theories, if you guys are still willing to read them and aren't trapped in the thought bubble that 'Reinforce is scum!' and got your minds closed to alternative possibilities already.

Yeah, if you're a role name seer it's probable that bb is the seer on the other scum faction.

I believe your results, and that's useful to have. No class skills is weird and casts doubt on your claim. No reclassing disproves your claim:

Every character has a predetermined roster of classes to which they can reclass.

 

[Empoleon_master]

Ok the portal thing is quite odd. Here's my thoughts given the portal's effects.

Camo has some hoopa ring ability that goes like this:
Ability: Hoopa's rings or something:
When a player targets you with an ability it will be redirected to someone else. However sometimes it can back fire so sometimes when another player targets someone else it has X% chance to be redirected towards you.

 

[Empoleon_master]

Btw does anyone know what the cavalier class does? I am thinking of switching to it so I can you know, do things.

 

[Professor Palutena]

Frankly, as a safeclaim, that's an awful one.

Like if the mods gave it out, you'd think they'd at least try to make it fit in with the rest of the PMs. No reclass and no class skills makes it really difficult to believe.

However, I do want to suggest that if his claim is legitimate (or if he doesn't flip as Valmese), we're looking at an indie with a ninja ability that keeps them from being tracked.

Alternatively, GM_Draclord was killed through items.

Ok the portal thing is quite odd. Here's my thoughts given the portal's effects.

Camo has some hoopa ring ability that goes like this:
Ability: Hoopa's rings or something:
When a player targets you with an ability it will be redirected to someone else. However sometimes it can back fire so sometimes when another player targets someone else it has X% chance to be redirected towards you.

Why do you think Camo has it?

Actually don't answer that because I guarantee I know the answer anyways.

 

[Reinforce]

Reclassing happens at the end of the night. At that moment in time, you had an attackin skill. We've been over this.

Yeah, if you're a role name seer it's probable that bb is the seer on the other scum faction.

I believe your results, and that's useful to have. No class skills is weird and casts doubt on your claim. No reclassing disproves your claim:

I have no idea about the game canon but I did ask the hosts and apparently that's just what it is. Probably because according to my research, Naga is a special character of sorts.

Plus, if I was scum, this would be just too blatant a contradiction between real and fake role since basing on simsands' flipped role, the scum can have classes and skills and abilities. If this is a fake-claim for a scum role, you'd think that it would be more similar to them to be a better blend-in and a fake (like with simsands' claim), but well... if your mind can't accept that possibility exists, that's your choice and there's nothing I can do about that.

/shrug Well, I can't really think of anything else to explain that my posted role doesn't already do so that's all I got. I don't have canon knowledge that I can share and /or speculate anyway. Plus your response just supports what I suspected that you all have already made up your minds about me and any further post from me about my thoughts is about as useful as it being invisible.

Frankly, as a safeclaim, that's an awful one.

Like if the mods gave it out, you'd think they'd at least try to make it fit in with the rest of the PMs. No reclass and no class skills makes it really difficult to believe.

However, I do want to suggest that if his claim is legitimate (or if he doesn't flip as Valmese), we're looking at an indie with a ninja ability that keeps them from being tracked.

Alternatively, GM_Draclord was killed through items.

Flipping that logic around, then it's possible that it's not a safeclaim then (as I am insisting), isn't it?

An indie that can't be tracked. Yeah, that's what I suggested in my post before this one you guys did not read that at all, didn' you

But the item idea is plausible too. We've seen lots of unique items revealed already aside from the common items that can kill or an item that can protect from a kill or lynch etc.... there are many possibilities.

 

[Empoleon_master]

Frankly, as a safeclaim, that's an awful one.

Like if the mods gave it out, you'd think they'd at least try to make it fit in with the rest of the PMs. No reclass and no class skills makes it really difficult to believe.

However, I do want to suggest that if his claim is legitimate (or if he doesn't flip as Valmese), we're looking at an indie with a ninja ability that keeps them from being tracked.

Alternatively, GM_Draclord was killed through items.


Why do you think Camo has it?

Actually don't answer that because I guarantee I know the answer anyways.

Too bad I am still answeing. : P

The reason I first suspected him because of the portal thing was because he was targeted and then the ability got redirected at someone else, which is a classic scum ability. Then the portal coming out again and then redirecting it towards him makes it more believable of a player specific ability.

 

[Professor Palutena]

I wouldn't have suggested that items would be a plausible idea this early as I had no idea how much damage they did.

However, E_m claimed that a Wyrmslayer does 20 damage. This is an average strength weapon, as it is the equivalent of a Steel Sword. 5 attacks would kill Draclord. We've also got abilities like Draclord's Rally Spectrum and there are items out there that boost weapon damage (I have one but no weapons to use it with). Depending on how much these things boost damage by, it could be a possibility.

That said, I personally don't buy the claim and I'm thinking that one of bb/Camo may be a scumbuddy.

 

[Empoleon_master]

Prof P has a point. Also can anyone else come up with a theory as to why camoclone was involved in both of the portal thingies?

 

[Professor Palutena]

Draclord was a redirector and Camo was part of the redirection. Morda's report said that Draclord visited Camo.

Seems like the logical explanation.

 

[The Healer]

...I've just got to point out something. If that is a safe-claim (and I am highly certain it is), there is a good chance that hiding behind that safe-claim is Grima.
The last safe-claim we saw was Frederick, and it was fairly similar-ish in character to Walhart. And as we all know that Robin was already a townie role, it would make the most sense for Naga to be the safe-claim for Grima.

The ability has a surprising lack of flavor for the roles thus far, which also makes me skeptic. However, I am not certain that the results are false. Bb as Libra makes total sense, considering the role he used D2. That would totally fit with Libra's character.
Camo as Lon'qu...that cannot be confirmed at this point.

As for the portal thing, my guess is that someone has the ability to choose two players and make it so that who ever targets one player targets the other, like such:

Person A chooses to target GM
Person B chooses to target Camo
Person C creates the portal between GM and Camo
The ability/skill of person A hits Camo
The ability/skill of person B hits GM.

That makes sense, right?

Also, since I do not believe that anyone actually answered this directly:
@Empoleon_master
The candy in your quote would be a reference to Gaius, a thief that is addicted to candy to the point that he switched jobs from assassinating the Exalt to joining the Ylissian cause merely because Chrom offered him a bag of candy.

 

[Professor Palutena]

@Vom: Can we get a vote count?

 

[Vom]

@Vom: Can we get a vote count?

@Keeper of Night is in charge of them today, so I haven't really compiled any posts, sorry. x_x
I do think however that Reinforce is /this/ close to being lynched, maybe L-2 or something close that. I can't go back and do everything now (I'm about to sleep) but Keeper should come on soon enough. Again, sorry. Dx

 

[Vom]

Also, @Empoleon_master wanting me to confirm things: I can't confirm or deny anything you claim, it'd be unfair and biased as a host.

 

[Empoleon_master]

...I've just got to point out something. If that is a safe-claim (and I am highly certain it is), there is a good chance that hiding behind that safe-claim is Grima.
The last safe-claim we saw was Frederick, and it was fairly similar-ish in character to Walhart. And as we all know that Robin was already a townie role, it would make the most sense for Naga to be the safe-claim for Grima.

The ability has a surprising lack of flavor for the roles thus far, which also makes me skeptic. However, I am not certain that the results are false. Bb as Libra makes total sense, considering the role he used D2. That would totally fit with Libra's character.
Camo as Lon'qu...that cannot be confirmed at this point.

As for the portal thing, my guess is that someone has the ability to choose two players and make it so that who ever targets one player targets the other, like such:

Person A chooses to target GM
Person B chooses to target Camo
Person C creates the portal between GM and Camo
The ability/skill of person A hits Camo
The ability/skill of person B hits GM.

That makes sense, right?

Also, since I do not believe that anyone actually answered this directly:
@Empoleon_master
The candy in your quote would be a reference to Gaius, a thief that is addicted to candy to the point that he switched jobs from assassinating the Exalt to joining the Ylissian cause merely because Chrom offered him a bag of candy.

That thing about the thief switching sides is one of the funiest things I have ever read as to why someone would switch sides.

As for your theory on the portals I do like it, but why those two specific players?

As for reinforce I think you're spot on.

 

[King Xerneas]

I'm pretty sure someone used a Rift Door on Camo and GM (I would know since I too have a rift door).

 

[The Healer]

I'm pretty sure someone used a Rift Door on Camo and GM (I would know since I too have a rift door).

That would actually make sense.
Man, there are a lot of weird items in this game.