Day one when SS posted his role, Celever dismissed it:
SS could very easily be a scum pegasus knight though. I know you fight Aversa when she's a dark flier, which is a promotion from pegasus knight. While it's not confirmed, it is likely that the scum will also start as base classes for balance purposes. As such, getting the pegasus knight skills correct actually means nothing. Furthermore, the fact that safeclaims are in the game means that all of the above speculation isn't worth much, as SS would have been given Cordelia's skills even if he is scum. Either way it was a reach for a defence and very weak.
This sounds a lot like giving off the impression that you are trying to piece together something you already know, and it has more weight since SS flipped town.
Presumably this game has a lot of customisation for the scum team too, though. I doubt that, for example, Aversa would be stuck as a Dark Flier for the entire game when everyone else gets a myriad of skills.
another example of the above
But if we shared a scum QT, why would we need to communicate things to each other like that in the public thread? That would be rather dumb, yes?
wifom.
I think
@mordacazir is Stahl. Mord, am I right? If so, you're town, so we won't need to waste time pressuring you. And no, this isn't a role fish because we learn nothing about his abilities from his role name.
This is definitely a role fish. While we don't learn exactly what abilities a player has since there are multiple options for class changing, you do learn what they don't have (it's like if I said I'm a Squirtle, you wouldn't know what moves I know but you do know I don't know Sleep Powder or Flamethrower, and know that Withdraw and Hydro Pump are possibilities).
Also, there was
this post which you "liked". If you agree with the premise that you should not lynch players for being disruptive, but because they are scum, then why would you ever suggest to lynch bbninjas, who is basically confirmed town at this point? And don't try to pretend that he could actually be scum, he has posted Skype logs between him and Vom about the whole thing and this has merit since you yourself have conversed with them on Skype about the goings-on of this game. He is telling the truth about his role and at this point I only think you're trying to get him lynched because it would look really bad for you to all of a sudden stop trying to push for a lynch you've been trying for all game long.
Also, this post reminded me of what you said recently about scattered mind:
scattered mind said:
If not simsands, who do you think should be lynched ? If it's still KX, what is the case and how much info can we get from it?
Either KX or Prof P. I'm not gonna build a case beyond what I've already posted about them so far itt because simsands will be lynched today, and I have other things to do. Info we can get from it? A fair amount if we look into interactions.
It reads similar to this situation, like you don't want to bother formulating a case because there is already a lynch target with a case on them (then it was simsands, now it's mord).
Then there's this little spat you had with Camo, remember this? Here are some choice quotes:
PMJ instigated the turbo. Check your facts <3
He didn't instigate the turbo portion of the lynch, he instead instigated the lynch itself.
(backpedal)
Nono, let's go over what just happened. Camo tried to state that me calling for a turbo on EM was anti-town. As soon as I responded to this, he dropped that line of interrogation, because he realised he doesn't actually have a case.
No, he didn't, not at that point in time. He asked you why you said I started the turbo when by your own admission I didn't.
The difference is that you're saying I lied about a subjective statement, whereas EM laid out his case as clear fact. You can't lie about something entirely subjective -- you can only be wrong about it. You don't lynch people for getting stuff wrong.
"PMJ instigated the turbo." is not a subjective statement. You can go back and look and check the truthfulness of it.
Also
You don't lynch people for getting stuff wrong.
Don't pretend for one second that you believe this. People have been lynched for having mod-issued typos in their role PMs and for literally nothing more than that so let's not kid ourselves here.
Camoclone said:
Why did you say that PMJ was the one who called for the turbo when this was obviously untrue?
Camoclone said:
Dodge dodge dodge. Never an answer. He likes to direct attention to something or someone else.
Your statement is subjective. Maybe you think what I said was wrong, but it wasn't a lie. You're trying to abuse a policy in Lynch All Liars to get me caught.
Once again, I will bring up the metaphor here that you're putting the illegal substance in my bag so that you can arrest me for having an illegal substance. I would like an answer as to why you tried to bait me into WIFOM earlier, but you won't give it to me.
I'd also like an answer as to why you're only getting on my case now. But if we had a major argument, it would distract the town from quality scumhunting, and I don't want that. Maybe you do, but I'd much rather listen to the reads of other players right now.
@quakingpunch73, you're somewhat enigmatic rn because you've just subbed in. Do you think you could provide a quick reads list so we can gauge where your thoughts lie on the other players? It'd be really useful
This exchange is funny because Camo said you do a thing and then you went and did exactly that.
Camoclone said:
I'll play this game. Answer these questions completely.
4. Why did you say that PMJ started the turbo?
4. PMJ started the lynch.
Expert dodge here, this doesn't answer that question at all no matter how much you want us to think it does.
Camo changed his question from "who tried to start a turbo?" into "who started the turbo?".
This is another one of those statements you can check the truthfulness of, and guess what? It's a lie. Camo never asked about who 'tried' to start a turbo because the identity of who did it was never in question because both you
You're reaching so hard rn. PMJ reinitiated pressure on EM yesterday. He was the main force behind votes on EM. OK, he didn't say "let's turbo lynch him", he just said "let's lynch him" and then when he wasn't around, I was the one who said "let's turbo lynch him" because circumstances changed. This is totally true.
and he
Camoclone said:
Let's look at what happened yesterday. EM was basically confo town. Celever freaked and tried to push a turbo on a CONFO-town. Any questions? This is really quite a simple situation.
were in agreement that you were the one who tried to do it, regardless of whether or not it actually happened.
Next:
It's important for all players in this game rn to makes a readslist rn. There are a few players who I think are probably anti-town at this stage (scattered mind, bb, Prof P, KX) but I don't know where any of the rest of the game stands on these players, so I can't tell who would be a good player to build a case on etc. etc..
Translation: I claim to have scum reads but won't try to pursue them unless everyone else agrees with me
The only person I've seen you post anything of substance on is bbninjas, and that case is bunk. You refuse to post a case on scattered mind, and the worst I've seen you post about PP and KX is that they might be all scum buddies with bb (except he's town, so there goes that theory). Never minding that, not trying to get your scum reads lynched, or not posting your cases on them so they can be analyzed later in the event of your death, is anti-town. Even if you flip scum, your theories and scum hunting can still have merit because there are two scum teams, so you have no reason not to post about them.
By the way, this isn't the first time you've tried to goad reads lists out of the town:
OK, now this actually is somewhat scummy. Reads only really help the town. There's always the argument that it allows scum to steer discussion with their kill, and I do admit this, but it only works if the town puts too much stock in analysing nightkills, and it helps town in the long run if we refer back to the reads posts.
I already know what you're going to say and you are right, nowhere in this post does it explicitly ask for reads, but the intent is there.
Camoclone said:
Town doesn't need five people to post full reads. Scum does. You may disagree but you are just wrong here.
I think this is still true. We have plenty of reads and more than a couple suspects (you listed four! let's have cases.), so pressuring everyone to post up-to-the-minute scum reads is a little unnecessary right now. I'm posting my list because I haven't done it yet this game, and I had already said I was going to.
scattered mind said:
Well. It seems like a big contradiction but I can see how it's not-
The contradiction is that you said PMJ started the turbo, then you said that you are the one who asked for the turbo and then said that a turbo never happened.
But- I think you meant PMJ started the lynch that was going to be a turbo (not calling it a turbo) then you asked for the lynch to be a turbo lynch, and that eventually the turbo never happened (=EM never got turbo lynched)
Have I got it right?
Yup, you're spot on with that, scattered!
No wonder you won't post your case on scattered mind.
mord isn't going to be targeted by the silence again.
You seem sure about this. Why are you so sure?
The silence was probably an item. Whether it's by his scumbuddies (WIFOMy defense wooh!), an opposing scumteam (possibly giving credibility to mord's report wooh!) or a townie who's not keeping up to date on the game very well, we don't know.
Pointless wifom. Everything after "The silence was probably an item" was unnecessary. And who said anything about items? A+ slip here, I think we just found the guy who silenced mord.
Your case to lynch mord is also wifom because we don't know why he hadn't posted his results and until he tells us otherwise, it's wifom.
