Finished Werewolf XXXIII: Order in the Court!- Congratulations Law!

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bbninjas said:
Okay, I just made a link between EM and Camo. Camo tried to push for EM's lynch iirc. This makes lots of sense if they were both of the same alignment. No offense to EM, but EM being on the scum team could easily be detrimental, hence why Camo would push for his lynch. EM is an irritation and distraction for the town in lots of games, so I would've expected scum wanting him alive moreso then dead.

This then explains why EM wanted to scoot from the game ASAP. The pressure of being scum + a scumbuddy busing you would do that.

It also explains why Grant is lurking. Grant lurking can be a scumtell for him iirc, and when he does pop up, it's just posting reads with no intention on actually participating in the scumhunt.

I'm happy with testing out the King X claim anyways due to its potential benefit for the town, and I really haven't been confident for his lynch. Celever is so townie, so dont want him lynched either. Jesi, my other target, has a weird role of the o vote weight, which is difficult to see on scum, so I'm not wanting to test that lynch just yet. So, grant seems like a mighty good option to me!

##UNVOTE: King X ##VOTE: grant
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Yes!!! Sorry, I voted grant earlier in the day for something scummy too. But mainly cos EM had regressed in his WW skills, and him being scum would be one of the only explanations.

This, plus your point about camo attacking em, makes sense!

I'm going to flick back and look for posts where camo attacked em :) be back later!
 
Camoclone said:
Last game I believe he grew as a player tremendously. He got over this crap and he was town.
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Defending Empoleon Master? This is pretty out of character for Camo.

Camoclone said:
Overall it just seems like he is scum and has no idea how to even act like town. He hasn't posted anything of substance yet. Instead he has made a lot of excuses.
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This is classic. In Harry Potter Camo made these posts about me all the time and we were teammates.

Camoclone said:
He evolved as a player and got better. It doesn't make any sense for him randomly to pick up old bad habits / poor play.
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Defending him again.

Camoclone said:
@Empoleon_master If you don't start contributing without being asked you will probably be lynched.
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"Probably". Camo is one for absolutes. This sounds more like he's actually warning EM. #buddyalert.

##vote:grantm1999
 
GM DracLord said:
I still believe everything happen between you n Camo previous days were just something to throw people off any possible relation you to have. I'm not changing my mind just yet. Regardless you think my vote is justifiable, I wouldn't change it just for that sake.
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Look, there's two big logic flaws here. Firstly, if we do not go back and use the posts of flipped players to build cases, then in any balanced game, town will lose. Secondly, you seem to not get the point that Camo nearly got Celever lynched. Ask yourself, why would Camo push Celever so much that Celever actually starts gaining votes and it he becomes a prime lynch candidate, all just to "throw people off"? Logically, this does not make sense. In fact, if you still think that your vote is right, tell me what the case on Celever is (or what makes Celever scummy).

simsands said:
This is the kind of post I've wanted to see from Celever. I agree with you that AtE by itself isn't a scumtell, but it's pretty much been the only thing that's been flowing out of his mouth lately.
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I'm sure he has, just not like this. Besides, when you've tried to argue logically why cases made are not very good and everyone ignores you then you will resort to AtE. I'm not sure if you've been in that situation before, but I know that I, PP, Celever, Luis and various others know exactly what I'm talking about. And, even now, you're completely ignoring the fact that Celever is fostering discussion and contributing to discussion without poisoning posts with AtE. If you're town, I don't know why you're tunneling like this.
 
bbninjas said:
Look, there's two big logic flaws here. Firstly, if we do not go back and use the posts of flipped players to build cases, then in any balanced game, town will lose. Secondly, you seem to not get the point that Camo nearly got Celever lynched. Ask yourself, why would Camo push Celever so much that Celever actually starts gaining votes and it he becomes a prime lynch candidate, all just to "throw people off"? Logically, this does not make sense. In fact, if you still think that your vote is right, tell me what the case on Celever is (or what makes Celever scummy).
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And your statement strengthen my personal reason. Why? Because the way experience player will go to cover their tracks. I believe because this move is out of character making it the best cover. But that just the reason why I'm not removing my vote. Right now if you guys can convince the others to move their vote from Celever my vote would just a vote right.
 
@Squirtle Squad you didn't unvote.

But Grant/EM being scum makes sense considering when he did pop up it was to justify my lynch, especially since I was starting to pile on the votes.

Also considering how close we are to the end of the day, we all need to switch our votes so 2 highly possible townies aren't lynched.

##unvote
##vote: grantm1999
 
Looking at that catch, I wonder why Camo would be defending a player that was only posting excuses as to why they couldn't read up and check the thread even when it wasn't asked about, but it is possible that he was a scum buddy.

Time to put this useless vote to some representation:
##Unvote: Myself (PikaMasterJesi)
##Possible Scumbuddy?: grantm1999
 
Day 3 Vote Count #5​

Votes are listed in chronological order.
Names are listed in alphabetical order.
The majority for a lynch is 8.
This count is valid through post #1469
The player with the most votes is tagged.

@Celever 4: Squirtle Squad (vote) l Jabberwock (vote) l PikaMasterJesi (vote) l thegrovylekid (vote) l Skyleaf2000 (vote) l Squirtle Squad (vote) l Luispipe8 (vote) l Robin Aisaga (vote) l GM Draclord (vote) l thegrovylekid (vote) l
Grantm1999 3: bbninjas (vote) l Squirtle Squad (vote) l King Xerneas (vote) l PikaMasterJesi (vote)
@King Xerneas 4: bbninjas (vote) l Celever (vote) l Grantm1999 (vote) l scattered mind (vote) l Squirtle Squad (vote) l bbninjas (vote) l Celever (vote) l Celever (vote) | Skyleaf2000 (vote) l thegrovylekid (vote) l PikaMasterJesi (vote) l
PikaMasterJesi 0: Celever (vote) l bbninjas (vote) l King Xerneas (vote) l PikaMasterJesi (vote) l
Robin Aisaga 0: Jabberwock (vote) l
simsands 0: Jabberwock (vote) l Grantm1999 (vote) l

Not Voting: Reinforce l simsands | Luispipe8

Day 3 ends in roughly 23.5 hours.
 
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My stands does not change, actually the appael to emotion and the vicious defence makes me think all of it is just a big play. I can't prove that. However after BBninjas (suspicious) defence I admit to agree to some of his points. And I'm not 100% confident Celever is indeed scum. But if I remove my vote King Xerneas is in real danger. Also I would possible add to the bandwagening created by scum. You have to admit the votes on KX piled up pretty quikly. The reason for this is KX reveal might be fabricated? Or is it that Wire tapper is the utmost thread for the scum topic? I admit some parts of the character feels of. But atleast King Xerneas may provide useful information tommorow. Unlike Celever, who I don't think is providing much of substance at the moment.

@King Xerneas
Before you're possible elimination, I would like to ask you about your ''boss'' He is the character Redd White in the video games (who is a murderer) Do you know if he's in the game, or was he just a mention in your ability? If you have any information on him could you please share it with us?
 
dead PMJ said:
tgk, please tell anyone voting for grant they should vote for Celever instead and revisit it tomorrow. There is no way grant is going to get lynched this far in the day. bbninjas is just trying to waste the town's votes since he's going to die anyway.
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Robin Aisaga said:
My stands does not change, actually the appael to emotion and the vicious defence makes me think all of it is just a big play. I can't prove that. However after BBninjas (suspicious) defence I admit to agree to some of his points. And I'm not 100% confident Celever is indeed scum. But if I remove my vote King Xerneas is in real danger. Also I would possible add to the bandwagening created by scum. You have to admit the votes on KX piled up pretty quikly. The reason for this is KX reveal might be fabricated? Or is it that Wire tapper is the utmost thread for the scum topic? I admit some parts of the character feels of. But atleast King Xerneas may provide useful information tommorow. Unlike Celever, who I don't think is providing much of substance at the moment.
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There's this case on grant you know...
 
I've asked him for more reasoning. In the meantime, have another, slightly older post from PMJ:

dead PMJ said:
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/threads/we...age-74#post-2696728

Here is a link to a post in WW24, when this role was used (and Celever and I were scum). This is what he said in the scum chat:

"You can stall for a while, IE. Act as towny as possible, and see how many other townies you can get lynched before you inevitably die ;~;"

The difference between that game and this one is that the list in that game was revealed during day 6 or 7 so there was nothing Celever could do to discredit the people on it so he was limited in his lynch targets.

The point is that Celever knows full well that KX is town and this hokey-ass wagon he's pushing on KX proves definitively Celever is scum. Don't let KX die, tgk, Celever is so close to getting strung up.
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He should hopefully have more reasoning before the day ends @PMJ
 
@ PMJ grant is scummier than KX or Celever, simply through how Em was acting.

If grant flips town, then yeah we can revisit bbninjas tomorrow, not celever.

Grant is the best lynch for today.
 
@PMJ has been tunneling me in particular, and in general is just going to think everything I say and do is scum. @thegrovylekid, just because someone experienced and cleared to you says something does not mean it is right. PMJ has very strict views on many "ways of playing WW".
 
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