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It's the same principle as quoting stuff that helps your case. PMJ supports my case so I'm quoting him. Besides, the rest of the deadchat is either non-town aligned or saying nothing.
What case is there. None. Actually give us a case. Oh, wait, you haven't. How is PMJ supporting the case? Oh wait, he isn't. He just thinks Celever is scum because Celever is Celever. Use your head and think about cases, instead of tunneling Celever... which is literally all relevant stuff you have done this day.

In fact, the following people all have tunnel vision today:

- simsands
-thegrovylekid
- PMJ
- GM Draclord
- Jabberwock
- Robin recently

People that have been thinking:
- me
- Celever
- scattered
- Jesi to an extent
- King X
- Squirtle Squad

Probably others too.
 
@PMJ is tunneling Celever too, it seems. PMJ has tunnel vision. Always has, always will.
I guess, but I'm going to side with PMJ for now.

Also, I really don't get the case on KX or Grant, like, at all. Grant's under fire because EM wasn't contributing and I have no clue why KX is under fire...?
 
What case is there. None. Actually give us a case. Oh, wait, you haven't. How is PMJ supporting the case? Oh wait, he isn't. He just thinks Celever is scum because Celever is Celever. Use your head and think about cases, instead of tunneling Celever... which is literally all relevant stuff you have done this day.
I've given cases. Your choice if you want to believe them or not.
 
I guess, but I'm going to side with PMJ for now.

Also, I really don't get the case on KX or Grant, like, at all. Grant's under fire because EM wasn't contributing and I have no clue why KX is under fire...?
Did you read my post?

It was classic Camo talking to his scum buddy...
 
My stands does not change, actually the appael to emotion and the vicious defence makes me think all of it is just a big play. I can't prove that. However after BBninjas (suspicious) defence I admit to agree to some of his points. And I'm not 100% confident Celever is indeed scum. But if I remove my vote King Xerneas is in real danger. Also I would possible add to the bandwagening created by scum. You have to admit the votes on KX piled up pretty quikly. The reason for this is KX reveal might be fabricated? Or is it that Wire tapper is the utmost thread for the scum topic? I admit some parts of the character feels of. But atleast King Xerneas may provide useful information tommorow. Unlike Celever, who I don't think is providing much of substance at the moment.

You need to figure out your priorities. Is it better to lynch a townie to confirm their role results or is it better to lynch someone who is more likely scummy and get a whole alignment? You did this with TGK iirc, and look how useless that turned out to be (he has not cleared a single person). Tell me how appeal to emotion is scummy. Tell me where this vicious defense is. Tell me how you expect someone to defend in this situation. Why is my defense suspicious? Because I'm challenging your tunnelling views?

If you remove your vote, King X is not in great danger. Besides, it is better him than someone softcleared like Celever.
 
There's this case on grant you know...

I'm not ignoring that. But there are still other players that have yet to vote, so I'm waiting a bit so that the situation will not backfire on KX. I might change my vote to Grant though depending on his defence. And everyone who is suspicious of Celever is tunneling? What a coincedence...
@King Xerneas Okay thanks for being open.
 
I guess, but I'm going to side with PMJ for now.

Also, I really don't get the case on KX or Grant, like, at all. Grant's under fire because EM wasn't contributing and I have no clue why KX is under fire...?
Celever made a new case on me and my role just so happens to scream safe-claim so everyone hopped on the band-wagon to lynch me. Like some others have already said it really isn't grant or EM's actions that have been super scummy, but the interactions between Camo and EM
 
I'm not ignoring that. But there are still other players that have yet to vote, so I'm waiting a bit so that the situation will not backfire on KX. I might change my vote to Grant though depending on his defence. And everyone who is suspicious of Celever is tunneling? What a coincedence...
@King Xerneas Okay thanks for being open.

They are both at L-4. It cant backfire, as all that will happen is that King X remains a lynch.

We don't have time to wait for a defence. Actually go back read grant's posts. They're not townie posts.

http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thr...-trial-deadlocked.131958/page-65#post-2797797

Here you go. But because you're defending Celever you're going to completely discredit this, aren't you?
Unlike you, I go through and put out what is real case and what is not.
 
Oh, that's right, you're wanting to lynch Celever because you think he slipped. Okay, let's look at this properly:

Your case is that Celever slipped by claiming simsands as Phoenix, which he learnt from Camo. Here is all the flaws:
  • Camo and Celever would have been required to have discussed their secret code in the scum chat before it happened so Celever would pick the message up. Either they had this all planned before Camo magically died (which only makes sense if Luis is also scum) or Camo can communicate with the chat, which he could have just told his team that privately instead.
  • Camo would have to rely on you to post a message scum made... and most town player's won't post garbage from a scum.
  • You are completely ignoring any other possibilities. When you said "simsands is town", it is logical to assume "simsands is Phoenix" considering how big the Phoenix fanfare was to you and everyone else.
  • You're trusting scum that scum is using you to communicate with his alive team. And Camo is the King of Manipulation. Does it make sense trust a scum and the King of Manip? No.
  • You are blinded because you think you caught a slip, and don't want to admit that you are wrong.
Get a better case.
 
Camo and Celever would have been required to have discussed their secret code in the scum chat before it happened so Celever would pick the message up. Either they had this all planned before Camo magically died (which only makes sense if Luis is also scum) or Camo can communicate with the chat, which he could have just told his team that privately instead.
Camo was viewing the thread several times after he was outed by Luis. he could have planned it then.

  • Camo would have to rely on you to post a message scum made... and most town player's won't post garbage from a scum.
I died before Camo did, so Camo could have time to plan it.

You are completely ignoring any other possibilities. When you said "simsands is town", it is logical to assume "simsands is Phoenix" considering how big the Phoenix fanfare was to you and everyone else.
Simsands could have been my mason partner. For all you know, PMJ had a neighbouriser role and could have given me simsands' PM.

  • You're trusting scum that scum is using you to communicate with his alive team. And Camo is the King of Manipulation. Does it make sense trust a scum and the King of Manip? No.
Camo said himself in the deadchat that he did, and it was further backed up by every other dead player (AND the hosts) drawing the same conclusion in-deadchat.

  • You are blinded because you think you caught a slip, and don't want to admit that you are wrong.
I'm not blinded. I just don't see a reasonable case on grant or KX while there's still Celever.

If you flip scum tonight you've doomed your buddy, bb.
 
We have school ;__;
Don't worry, I have school too. It's great some days and not so great other days.

Celever made a new case on me and my role just so happens to scream safe-claim so everyone hopped on the band-wagon to lynch me.
I'm thinking on this whole KX case, and I see him as town. It's much better we vote grant, honestly. If only my vote counted, Day 3 would be long over...

If you flip scum tonight you've doomed your buddy, bb.
And how are we going to find this out, nightkill? I don't get this particular line.
 
Camo was viewing the thread several times after he was outed by Luis. he could have planned it then.
Oh, thanks, you just made me think up another flaw! Camo would needed to have expected you would post his identity in the dead chat.


I died before Camo did, so Camo could have time to plan it.
So? That's not what I was talking about. Camo had to be reliant on you posting his post despite him being scum. Most town would not post stuff from scum.


Simsands could have been my mason partner. For all you know, PMJ had a neighbouriser role and could have given me simsands' PM.
Unlikely. iirc Maya is the only one left. You would not want to clear Maya unless absolutely necessary. Also, you didn't read. I said that Phoenix was the automatic conclusion considering all the discussion that went on about you finding Phoenix before. You are dead and have knowledge. Consider us that do not know as much as you and what we would think.

Camo said himself in the deadchat that he did, and it was further backed up by every other dead player (AND the hosts) drawing the same conclusion in-deadchat.
What are you even talking about!? Did everyone in the chat somehow confirm that Camo was talking in secret messages? Or using you to talk to his scumbuddies? They can't confirm that. XD

I'm not blinded. I just don't see a reasonable case on grant or KX while there's still Celever.
You are so sure that you have found a slip (or want to have found a slip) that you are not considering the flaws in it.

If you flip scum tonight you've doomed your buddy, bb.
Because I know I will flip town, I will have doomed noone except make everyone doubt whatever you say.
 
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