What are the new Top Tier decks that are going to be coming out?

If we're going to start the 'throwing EXs around' discussion...

KYUREM EX

You, sir, just got trolled. jk

Cobalion/Kyurem is getting a tad bit of hype. Why shouldn't it? It's big in Japan. Whether it holds up as well here, that remains to be seen.

People will no doubt be trying out Durant. Chandelure might even pop up. Teched Kyurem in certain decks is sure to appear. But the majority of the Tier 1 decks before NV will still be just as popular if not more.

dmaster out.
 
dmaster said:
But the majority of the Tier 1 decks before NV will still be just as popular if not more.
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This, and mostly because of Eviolite. Zekrom/Tornadus, and Reshiram get even better than they were just because they now have a card that gives them an automatic damage buff for the whole time that they're on the field.
 
I feel like N's effect on the game has sort of been ignored on this thread. My bet is the top 3 decks from regionals, ReshiPhlosion, PrimeTime (MegaZone, and a billion other different names), and Zekrom all get boosts.

PrimeTime can abuse N like no ones business and can actually benefit by using N even when they are ahead on the prize race by using magnetic draws. ReshiPhlosion also benefits from the use of N against decks like Zekrom where you can stop what little recovery they have. Both these decks also get access to Super Rod which is the best recovery we have in the format.

Zekrom is the deck that I am really unsure about. It gets HUGE benefits from Eviolite, but is also hurt by the addition of N to the format. When Zekrom runs out of steam, it is not pretty. I feel like playing N when they have 1 or two prizes left can force Zekrom to that point more consistently. I still think it will be around and a good deck, I am just a little unsure if N or Eviolite will have a bigger influence on it.

Also The Truth (and maybe Goth but I like The Truth so much better than I don't know enough about this deck) gains a lot from N.

The other side of the coin is that stage ones are dead. Zekrom hits harder fast and better and, with the addition of eviolite, is too hard for Zoroark to KO.

I know a lot of people are talking about Cobalion and Kyurem, but right now I don't see those cards as game changers until Pokemon Ex are released.
 
Stage ones aren't entirely dead because of eviolites, they just need more pluspowers. After all, after Eviolited Zekrom bolt strikes, Zoroark just needs to hit him for 130 like normal:
130 HP*-normal
150 HP-Eviolite
130 HP- after Bolt strike damage
So really, for Zoroark, not too much is changed as far as Zekrom goes. Heres Tyram:
130 HP-normal
150 HP-Eviolite
140 HP- after Afterburn damage
So now Zoroark has to hit it with a pluspower and a SP.dark or two Pluspowers. Tyram with a Eviolite is more effective than a Zekrom with one against Zoroark.

*HP=damage needed to be dealt to be OHKOed.
 
^Also keep in mind that a Reshiram will almost always either have 2 Afterburner damage or need that much in order to attack on the next turn, so most of the time Zoroark will need 0-1 PlusPowers/Sp. Darks to OHKO a Reshiram with Eviolite attached.
 
I'll agree that Zoroark can still counter Reshiram and Zekrom, but Donphan is no longer as effective against Tornadus or Reshiram and the same is true with Yanmega. Additionally, slower decks can really hurt stage 1 variants by limiting their hand sizes with N. Stage ones will still exist, I just don't see them being top tier
 
Yanmega's worst matchups have always been the dragons and Donphan has never had an advantageous matchup against Reshiram either. ZPS was never viable until Tornadus came out because there was literally nothing it could do against Donphan, but Stage 1 can still beat ZPST now if they have a better start, so Tornadus has made the metagame better imo. I think slower decks like googlebox and G/R will use Twins more than N because they have 2 stage 2s to set up and once they are set up most of the cards in the opponent's deck are uselss anyway so limiting their hand size isn't necessary at that point.
 
Red Striker said:
How about a set-up such as this?
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No, simply because Hydregion is not a good card. The Ability and attack seems really cool, but your recovery is sluggish, Hydregion gets two-shotted by almost everything, and the setup is based assuming that you will always be able to attach DCE on Hydregion consistently (even if you do run Pachirisu/Shaymin or Emboar, that doesn't change the fact that Hydregion is slow).
 
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