What Can Be Done to Improve PokeBeach Forums?

safariblade said:
Celebi23 made a good point. Activity is not going to slow down. And since the groups and games will be gone, activity will switch over to focus more on VG and TCG.
That was the general idea I think behind the changes, so I hope it works out.

I cannot stress ENOUGH how much I think we need VG tutoring to come back. I support this 100%.
But it needs to be done right, so I would love that to be discussed.
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The lack of active and competent tutors is the problem that sets it back.
 
@Darkvoid: A lot of good players are somewhat overcondifent or rude when dealing with new players - I'll be the first to admit I'm somewhat like that. But when you're trying to explain a simple thing like running 4 Collector to get it in your opening hand more and they simply refuse to see or understand it, it's hard not to be. They just got into the game and somebody who has been playing for years with moderate success is telling them something that has been done in every successful deck. And they still don't think it's a good idea. I don't mean any harm by it, and I doubt many people do. Furthermore, a lot of new players have a rep for being cocky as well, thinking they are already the best player in the game. But if I was a new player, I'd definitely rather have a good player rudely tell me something I should do than have an average player nicely tell me what to do. Because the average players simply won't give as good advice.

I guess the main thing I'm trying to get across is that it's often cockiness or blindness on the part of the new player that sort of "baits" the cockiness - not to say that's an excuse for it if it's rude or over-the-top.
 
Riskbreakers said:
The lack of active and competent tutors is the problem that sets it back.
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We have Steadfast, TPo3, TDL, dragonexpert, and SL - more than enough to tutor.
There is no way we would need more than 5 tutors.

EDIT: Love you too, Bipps.
 
Riskbreakers said:
The lack of active and competent tutors is the problem that sets it back.
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We have The Power of Three, Steadfast, TheDarkLucario, dragonexpert and ShadowLugia as our best five battlers, and (I think) all of them have done tutoring before, whether public with the seasonal tutoring or private. Looking at the past tutoring thread here, there were 5 tutors as well.

I strongly think that tutoring needs to come back. Its one of the main things that can promote activity into a dying forum.

(Nice going you ninja)
 
Riskbreakers said:
BTW Gale, add VG to the list that we need competent mods. It's not like it's only the TCG that needs help.
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Riskbreakers said:
The lack of active and competent tutors is the problem that sets it back.
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... sorry, but I can't help but feel insulted by this. What makes me, and Teapot, incompetent in your eyes? Have you ever seen us play? Have you ever played us? Just rather curious.
 
Not since shoddy, he hasn't played us.

...in fact, I don't recall RB being very active in VG at all since DPP Shoddy. I can't help but be insulted by this too. If we're so incompetent, who might I ask, would you recommend replaces us?
 
Riskbreakers said:
One thing to add during a list of stuff to add in the forums is probably some discussion before nuking said sub-forums. Everything was done in such short notice and lack of clear explanation as to why it was being done was the cause of the uproar from last week. Discussion and compromise between staff-members would be nice to at least say that the members were aware of the changes because we have to admit, Pokebeach isn't about the staff, it's about the members and interacting with each other for our interest in Pokemon.

I agree that it was a little short notice, but it is nice that SR told us at all. I'm not saying that's the way it should be, but it was better than going about it without our knowledge. Could we have compromised? Most likely, but in the grand scheme of things what have we really lost? Pointless games that don't help us go forward, and forums that should have been merged with other forums in the first place. We, the members, should have some say in changes to the site that effect us, however. In the future we should discuss it and compromise before action is taken.

BTW Gale, add VG to the list that we need competent mods. It's not like it's only the TCG that needs help.

Skill should not be the only factor in determining who should be a mod and who should not be. PDC, for example, was a very skilled VG battler, but he was very immature. Skill does not warrant becoming a mod. Competence, skill, maturity, and activity (not just one) should all be factors that the staff looks at to decide who should be a moderator. TDL and TPO3 are well rounded mods for the VG forums. Don't label them as incompetent. However, neither of them have accomplished anything ground breaking. You haven't really stepped foot into the VG community so I don't think you have much room to talk about that (no offense).

SPM3, look at one of my previous posts. I was preaching about balance. There should be a balance between the hard workers and the experienced people. Same goes with the articles. There should be a balance on the content we should be giving to the public. Some should be geared to the advanced and some should be given to the beginners.

I said most people were concerned only with skill. I simple decided not to mention you specifically to avoid looking like I was bandwagoning. I agree with you completely on balancing content.
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Darkvoid57 said:
Personally, it'd be better to have friendly staff that aren't pros, but aren't horrible either rather than just pros.
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/me waves


We need people who are skilled more than we do people who are friendly. The two are not mutually exclusive, however.
 
The idea of modding someone because they have a good reputation on the forum or because they're a nice person is not what needs to be happening. People should be modded because they contribute to the forums, and need to be a moderator to help work on projects, or want to help clean up forums. Being a nice person in addition to that is preferable. It shouldn't be so that almost everyone who applies to become a moderator becomes a moderator like last time. I think PokeBeach really started to go downhill when moderator applications happened. We need to dig ourselves out of this ditch we got ourselves into and move forward.
 
In my opinion, if you can't be experienced and skilled and have an cordial attitude then shove-off. But yes, what we need to get us off our feet are skilled individuals that can contribute to the community. Several members are very skilled but have not contributed a lick to the community.
 
TheDarkLucario said:
... sorry, but I can't help but feel insulted by this. What makes me, and Teapot, incompetent in your eyes? Have you ever seen us play? Have you ever played us? Just rather curious.
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First of all, Lack =/= none, don't put words in my mouth.

Get a grip. I haven't seen Steadfast since the Ice Age. Only you and Teapot are really active. Sucessful tutoring programs should have at least eight good tutors considering and at least two of the eight who could handle the Asian Timezone so that it doesn't sound discriminating.

If Azelf was referring to my post then he is right.

I was not asking for you guys to be replaced. I was asking for ADDITIONS.

It was also funny and stupid that when I posted the same RMT on Smogon and here, in Smogon I got some good advice and in here, I got a 40% warn, Just dropping that as well.
 
We have used 5 tutors in the past.
You never answered their question. Who else would you suggest then?
We are not Smogon.
 
Gliscor said:
I'm assuming you mean what topics that people want to write about, but can you explain?
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This could be a thread where members could ask for articles or see what is in the works. They offer added information. For example if you could be doing a article about jumbos and I could contact you to see if you need photos of super-jumbos.
 
I believe that We don't need less mods, or more mods....
With some of the sub forums gone, the Beach is looking very sad.

I do agree with xous not posting, but I do believe he is involved....
I commonly see Steadfast online...

But another thing, I think we could use more S-Mods, because I can't ever seem to find S-Mods online...

But you guys do have it covered!
 
MrGatr said:
I believe that We don't need less mods, or more mods....
With some of the sub forums gone, the Beach is looking very sad.

I do agree with xous not posting, but I do believe he is involved....
I commonly see Steadfast online...

But another thing, I think we could use more S-Mods, because I can't ever seem to find S-Mods online...

But you guys do have it covered!
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Smods are online all the time. They're just invisible. We definitely don't need more Smods. Definitely not.
 
maybe if you guys didn't drive away the guys who could actually make a difference then it wouldn't be a problem. I am honestly agreeing about having tutoring program. Try asking for tutor tryouts. I have been battling here and there but only exclusively ask in the chatroom for advice because of the past experiences I've had here which annoyed me. We dont need additional smods at all. most are already doing what they are asked to when it comes to an organized forum structure. It's just the decisions on choosing other staff that bothers me a little
 
omahanime said:
This could be a thread where members could ask for articles or see what is in the works. They offer added information. For example if you could be doing a article about jumbos and I could contact you to see if you need photos of super-jumbos.
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What I'm really saying is, if you guys are doing a big project for the TCG, post a thread about it. Don't wait until it's already "done". Get members involved. Also, don't just destroy forums whenever you want. I know the Game Corner and whatnot had to go, but some kind of notice would have been nice. It's obvious that whole thread erupted into a huge argument. If a member does want to ask for something, they can make their own thread about it. Encourage suggestions. Encourage involvement from other members.

The reason the Community Team didn't work out is because there wasn't communication period. No one knew what the purpose of it was, what Pokemon they were using as a core, etc. The members never know what's going on and they're forced to just obey the moderators whenever the mods want to do something. It has to stop.
 
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