What is the new way to get energies out, after Rosen is gone?
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Once again, I AM NOT ENDORSING THE USE OF ES. I simply made it as an argument to prove why IQ is not a very good card. I have said this many times in the past. Same thing with EE. I highly endorse dropping 2 EE into any deck that relies on DCE. TFO, my advice is getting sloppy because I do not have enough tact to repeat my argument many times for a group of individuals to help them understand it.
Rikko, your comment about banning you shows me that you have a great amount of self respect. That is fine, but you seem to have indirectly commented to everyone of my arguments after many lines of me trying to clarify for you. Because you posted a list of me, I will do the same for you
"Energy Search is the stupidest waste of time I've ever seen. " <--after me saying that ES and IQ should never be used
"ES is more useful in a spot than an energy is RIDICULOUS." <--once again, after I say that I would NEVER endorse ES
"I said that ES would only be good in a many-typed deck." <--no you didn't
"your opinion for energy searching and the rest of the population's is different" <--Wanna bet? Go find some high-level players and ask them.
As for PokeDad, I will retract my statement about you needing to learn how to play. I, once again, ran out of tact and was angry that my message was not getting across. Basically, what I MEANT to say was that even though trainer lock is becoming popular, one should not be sheepish in playing trainers (unless they play Vileplume). EE is an amazing choice for anything that runs DCE and should be taken full advantage of. Cyrus is a poor choice because all it basically does is set you up for a next turn and gives you an energy. You'd be better off just replacing it for a PONT/POV/etc to get some other cards. If you run enough deck thinners (trainers), you should have a high likelihood of drawing into an energy and other cards that help you.
@Zitong, please watch your Spelling and Grammar. I don't know how you transitioned to be fixated on deck thinning... I thought it was just common sense. First, you should get used to the transition between seasons. People were looking for a replacement for Holon Engine when we lost that, but no replacement came. You have to adapt. Without Roseanne, one has to be more thoughtful as to how they do their searching. Before, we barely needed draw power and deck thinner other than Claydol and Uxie. That is probably why you are not used to the concept of deck thinning. Now, Searching for a single card we need (unless it gets other helpful cards or helps satisfy our win condition like main attackers and uxie) is a somewhat poor strategy. If we thin our decks enough, we'll be able to draw into great hands from cards like PONT and Cynthia. Searching for singleton energies will not be necessary. IQ sets you up in energies for the next (few) turns, but burns a supporter slot. You want more supporters that don't fit ONE situation. That is why I am comparing IQ to ES +PONT. ES can be burnt when you don't need it, and PONT can fit almost any situation. IQ is only for when you need energies. One must try to be ambiguous (bad word choice is bad) when selecting their cards. Especially in this format where decks (right now at least) are very build intensive. Bad decks are what make people lose right now, primarily. Skill ingame is important, but how one constructs there deck is one of the most important things right now.
Rikko, your comment about banning you shows me that you have a great amount of self respect. That is fine, but you seem to have indirectly commented to everyone of my arguments after many lines of me trying to clarify for you. Because you posted a list of me, I will do the same for you
"Energy Search is the stupidest waste of time I've ever seen. " <--after me saying that ES and IQ should never be used
"ES is more useful in a spot than an energy is RIDICULOUS." <--once again, after I say that I would NEVER endorse ES
"I said that ES would only be good in a many-typed deck." <--no you didn't
"your opinion for energy searching and the rest of the population's is different" <--Wanna bet? Go find some high-level players and ask them.
As for PokeDad, I will retract my statement about you needing to learn how to play. I, once again, ran out of tact and was angry that my message was not getting across. Basically, what I MEANT to say was that even though trainer lock is becoming popular, one should not be sheepish in playing trainers (unless they play Vileplume). EE is an amazing choice for anything that runs DCE and should be taken full advantage of. Cyrus is a poor choice because all it basically does is set you up for a next turn and gives you an energy. You'd be better off just replacing it for a PONT/POV/etc to get some other cards. If you run enough deck thinners (trainers), you should have a high likelihood of drawing into an energy and other cards that help you.
@Zitong, please watch your Spelling and Grammar. I don't know how you transitioned to be fixated on deck thinning... I thought it was just common sense. First, you should get used to the transition between seasons. People were looking for a replacement for Holon Engine when we lost that, but no replacement came. You have to adapt. Without Roseanne, one has to be more thoughtful as to how they do their searching. Before, we barely needed draw power and deck thinner other than Claydol and Uxie. That is probably why you are not used to the concept of deck thinning. Now, Searching for a single card we need (unless it gets other helpful cards or helps satisfy our win condition like main attackers and uxie) is a somewhat poor strategy. If we thin our decks enough, we'll be able to draw into great hands from cards like PONT and Cynthia. Searching for singleton energies will not be necessary. IQ sets you up in energies for the next (few) turns, but burns a supporter slot. You want more supporters that don't fit ONE situation. That is why I am comparing IQ to ES +PONT. ES can be burnt when you don't need it, and PONT can fit almost any situation. IQ is only for when you need energies. One must try to be ambiguous (bad word choice is bad) when selecting their cards. Especially in this format where decks (right now at least) are very build intensive. Bad decks are what make people lose right now, primarily. Skill ingame is important, but how one constructs there deck is one of the most important things right now.
I aggree with NJpokedad, everyone has their opinions
*konter stands on Rikko and applaudes*
*konter stands on Rikko and applaudes*
@Zero
I fully understand, and respect what you are trying to say, but I disagree. (With the IQ part) Yes, IQ should not be played in every deck, no one is arguing that, but it does deserve mention when building a deck. You're having a hard time drawing energy, then you should play it. You may not have the highest chance of getting what you need, but you also have a somewhat low chance of getting what you need with most draw cards, but that doesn't make them bad. IQ is useful in decks that use a lot of energy, like gatr, Ninetails engine (though it isn't seen that often), and one of my personal faves Magnezone. Also yes it burns a supporter, but I'd rather that than waste a supporter like PONT or Judge that I may need later in the game. It isn't supposed to be the end all be all option for getting energy, but it often gets the job done, and can gives you what you need.
I fully understand, and respect what you are trying to say, but I disagree. (With the IQ part) Yes, IQ should not be played in every deck, no one is arguing that, but it does deserve mention when building a deck. You're having a hard time drawing energy, then you should play it. You may not have the highest chance of getting what you need, but you also have a somewhat low chance of getting what you need with most draw cards, but that doesn't make them bad. IQ is useful in decks that use a lot of energy, like gatr, Ninetails engine (though it isn't seen that often), and one of my personal faves Magnezone. Also yes it burns a supporter, but I'd rather that than waste a supporter like PONT or Judge that I may need later in the game. It isn't supposed to be the end all be all option for getting energy, but it often gets the job done, and can gives you what you need.
I laughed at the people who don't know how to use /me on the forums.
And Zero by saying that your advice is getting sloppy, I mean it isn't any good. You're forcing your opinion on others and your opinion isn't all that spectacular to begin with. It makes you look like a fool trying to do it.
And Zero by saying that your advice is getting sloppy, I mean it isn't any good. You're forcing your opinion on others and your opinion isn't all that spectacular to begin with. It makes you look like a fool trying to do it.
I can use some supporters like IQ because in MY DECK, I don t run PONT, I run Cynthia. I don t need Uxie or Azelf, they are waste of bench space. I have another tech to draw cards, it is when my pokemon dies, Cynthia will refresh as Lucky egg will do. Then I get my hands to really low because I will use all my option and here we go again, a pokemon dies, refresh. Between those turns, I can use supporters like that. Personal Deck, Personal Techs.
Plus, I can use my Executor too any time as I don t have a lot of cards in my hands.
I am pretty sure Zero will once again try to say some thing about my deck, to get his message into my head. Well, me too, I just want you to know that it works. So hard...
Anyway, for me, ES is not playable and EE and IQ, ONCE AGAIN FOR ME, can be useful depending on the deck.
Plus, I can use my Executor too any time as I don t have a lot of cards in my hands.
I am pretty sure Zero will once again try to say some thing about my deck, to get his message into my head. Well, me too, I just want you to know that it works. So hard...
Anyway, for me, ES is not playable and EE and IQ, ONCE AGAIN FOR ME, can be useful depending on the deck.
xD I like this thread.
I'll say what zero said in one post
Energy search is a trainer that thins your deck and gets you a basic energy at the same time for no drawback.
Does Interviewer's Question do that? No. It takes up your supporter slot for the turn and might not even get you an energy. It's too risky in his opinion.
Does Cyrus do that? Sorta. It gives you a supporter and a basic energy, but it doesn't always appeal to the situation. If you want an energy and 3 non-sp Pokemon, you'll have to play Energy Search and a Pokemon Collector.
Does Energy Exchange do that? No. You need an energy already in your hand for it to work, but it gives you more options by including special energy searching.
Love ya, zero~ <3
~L_X_F
I'll say what zero said in one post
Energy search is a trainer that thins your deck and gets you a basic energy at the same time for no drawback.
Does Interviewer's Question do that? No. It takes up your supporter slot for the turn and might not even get you an energy. It's too risky in his opinion.
Does Cyrus do that? Sorta. It gives you a supporter and a basic energy, but it doesn't always appeal to the situation. If you want an energy and 3 non-sp Pokemon, you'll have to play Energy Search and a Pokemon Collector.
Does Energy Exchange do that? No. You need an energy already in your hand for it to work, but it gives you more options by including special energy searching.
Love ya, zero~ <3
~L_X_F
Actually IQ can thin your deck out more, if you pull multiple energies.
Now I can't do the exact math but this is what I got for my deck
I start with skarmory and get steelix and scizor into play usually takes 2 turns.
That's 3 energy 1 and skarmory and 2 on scizor
That's 8 cards in play 6 in my prizes. And most likely 1/2 supporters and maybe a trainer discarded.
Set up another scizor and that's 2 more cards not in my deck.
That can add up to about 20 cards not in my deck on turn 3/4
I run 14 energy and I need special metal for steelix. I use the skarmory to put regular energies on szicor and EE to put back specials for regular
I want the 4 sp metals on steelix.
Like I said I can't do the exact math but thining out my deck early means I'm more likely to grab multiple special metals with IQ
This cards works great when I play it later in the game I've drawn 4/5 energies
Although I did play it first turn once as a mistake hoping to thin my deck. No energies.
Some cards make sense in some decks and no sense in others.
I wrote off ES for a long time but multi type decks can take advantage of it
Now I can't do the exact math but this is what I got for my deck
I start with skarmory and get steelix and scizor into play usually takes 2 turns.
That's 3 energy 1 and skarmory and 2 on scizor
That's 8 cards in play 6 in my prizes. And most likely 1/2 supporters and maybe a trainer discarded.
Set up another scizor and that's 2 more cards not in my deck.
That can add up to about 20 cards not in my deck on turn 3/4
I run 14 energy and I need special metal for steelix. I use the skarmory to put regular energies on szicor and EE to put back specials for regular
I want the 4 sp metals on steelix.
Like I said I can't do the exact math but thining out my deck early means I'm more likely to grab multiple special metals with IQ
This cards works great when I play it later in the game I've drawn 4/5 energies
Although I did play it first turn once as a mistake hoping to thin my deck. No energies.
Some cards make sense in some decks and no sense in others.
I wrote off ES for a long time but multi type decks can take advantage of it
