Whats a Good Donphan counter?

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Ive been taking intrest into Houndoom Prime
and hoping to make a deck of it with Blaziken X and the biggest
problem is Donphan I need help but right now I
think Shedinja or Exploud are good options but
I need other options as well

MD ON!
 
I don't know dude. There isn't a great donphan counter. Its not like luxray where you can use one of three basics that only need one energy to kill it. You need to do 70 water damage. Thats going to require at least a stage 1, if not a stage 2.

SV Dewgong might be your best bet.
 
mogogomo said:
Ive been taking intrest into Houndoom Prime
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There's your first problem. That's a badcard. Why play with bad cards?

As for donphan counters, you have none open. You are playing a stage 1 without DCE. You want to play dual type, which limits yourself even further. It is not that simple as teching against donphan. You need to let yourself be open to play against donphan.

Shedninja will do nothing against donphan. It cannot be attacked by phan... but that's about it. Exploud is garbage. I don't know why weakness will make a difference. If you're attacking with Great Houndoom, you need help.

If anything, Dewgong SV, Wash Rotom, and Quagsire 4/Crobat G (for SP) are probably your best bets. Donphan is one of those decks, you can tech against it, but if you do, you'll still lose. You need to play against it. A simple tech will do nearly nothing.
 
^Geesh. Alone Houndoom is a bad card. but in this deck its pretty good. You can easily do 120+burn for one energy. You just need to get the flip, which isn't that hard if you have two houndooms out.
 
Why would you use Dewgong SV? Its attack takes 4 Energy, way too long to set up.
Why can't we just use Gyarados SF or HGSS? SF needs to throw away 2 or 3 Karps though. But both Gyarados have a faster setup, more HP, and resistance against Fighting -20.

EDIT: My mistake, Dewgong SV needs 2 Energy for 80 against Fighting.
 
Hikikomori-san said:
Why would you use Dewgong SV? Its attack takes 4 Energy, way too long to set up.
Why can't we just use Gyarados SF or HGSS? SF needs to throw away 2 or 3 Karps though. But both Gyarados have a faster setup, more HP, and resistance against Fighting -20.

EDIT: My mistake, Dewgong SV needs 2 Energy for 80 against Fighting.
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Well, first of all, Gyarados is it's own deck. You can't really tech Gyarados into any deck. You would need to add too many cards to get it to work, plus discarding carps takes 2/3 turns before Gyarados does enough damage to KO Donphan. I forget what the other one does..... I can't get my binder right now.... :p

~A+G
 
Umbreon UD does a nice job of it
you pretty much need an expert belt and special darkness to get around its body though
actually burning it would work too if you have blaziken X out
 
Kingdra prime works. 110 damage for 1 energy, plus a SP crobat equals 1 hit KO.
Then again that is its own deck type.
 
I think my best choice is Blaziken x with Expert belt with burned Donphan or Honchkrow g
or sv Honchkrow but Ive not fully decided
 
First off, use Blaziken PT over Houndoom Prime UD. For Blaziken, you don't have to flip. And, it can attack in a pinch. Second, Frost Rotom is what you're looking for. Zero mentioned it, but I insist it. First, it's a basic. Second, for a water energy and a Double Colorless Energy, it can one-shot Donphan Prime. I don't know why you're worried about Donphan Prime though, you're weakness is water, not fighting (I know, Houndoom Prime's weakness is fighting, but, as I mentioned above, you should run Blaziken PT)
Hope I helped.
 
^There is absolutely no reason to run a basic over a stage 1 if you have to add DCE to your deck to use it. Think about it. It uses the same number of spots in your deck, and it takes the same number of turns to get out. But its weaker, and you can't search for the DCE.

as far as blaziken, people tried that. its too slow. Why tell someone to run a deck that you know won't work? At least this is a new concept. It might be better because it is faster. You don't know because you haven't tried it.
 
origanly Decmaster I find Blaiken PT too slow and there is not many water decks around mainly the only one is gyrados secondley zero shedinja works great because the burn provided by Houndoom and Blaziken boosting the damage further with Shedinja's attack is great but again I still have not decided
 
Okay, first of all, you need to understand Donphan. Donphan can do 60 damage for 1 energy. That means that Donphan can start attacking 1st turn with a rare candy or BTS. This means that anything slow will not work against it, meaning Frost Rotom.(Not wash! look it up) Frost Rotom is by far the worst Donphan counter I can think of. 3 energy, 2 is you use DCE, and then you rely on his retreat cost. Flyphan, anyone? That means that Donphan's retreat cost is gone, and he can retreat to a better attacker. That also means you're screwed.

Besides, even if you get Frost Rotom out turn 1, with a Water energy and DCE, Donphan can still knock you out before that, or you knock his out, then he sends out a second Donphan Prime and you're screwed again.

Donphan prime is simply too fast for Frost Rotom.

Dewgong SV isn't a bad counter, and probably the best. 80 solid damage against Donphan is nothing to scoff at, and Thick Fat is a nice resistance against Chari and Kingdra decks. But, once again, Dewgong can be too slow. If you send out a Seel first turn, Donphan is there to knock it out. If you build up a Dewgong on the bench, then your opponent already has a full army of Donphans on his. Maybe even a Flygon, which can OHKO your Dewgong. The water energy is a pain to search for, especially in a fire deck when RR is getting rotated.


Any other counters are decks of themselves. Umbreon UD, Kingdra Prime, Gyarados, etc. You shouldn't need a donphan counter, if your using Houndoom as a tech or attacker. Easy solution, don't use Houndoom. Blaziken PT does the same thing ad is way better. Especially combined with Blaziken FB Lv.X. Think about it.

The best way to beat Donphan is to overpower him, or outspeed him. If you can do that, you're fine. Trust me, I know. I've played Donphan Prime since he came out. I know my stuff.

P.S: Decmaster, don't insist cards your not sure about. First, you said Wash Rotom, when it's actually Frost Rotom. Secondly, a topic like this arose a while back, and everyone agreed that Frost Rotom wasn't a good counter. Do the research next time.
 
Oops, Zero said Wash and I was too lazy to look it up.
sturtle, I'm glad somebody agrees with me that Blaziken PT is better than Houndoom Prime, it's flip over non-flip, what would you choose?
As to another Donphan counter, I beat a well built Flyphan list with a sketchy BlastGatr list, and we were both set up. But, as sturtle mentioned, that's a deck in it's own, so it's not exactly a counter. I suppose Lanturn Prime works, just change it's type to water, and it's a OHKO for three energy. (two with DCE)
 
Like I said, either build a deck that's meant to counter Donphan, or just run your regular deck. Putting techs in for specific cards makes the deck inconsistent. If your Houndoom deck does really well, then you shouldn't have to worry about Donphan. But again, I'd use Blaziken. Way better than Houndoom. Then you don't need a Donphan counter, because you have no weakness.

But the best counter is Dewgong. No question.
 
I dont like Blaziken PL it really just makes you have a plain weakness to gyrados if Houndoom is there then you have a backup so there will be no straight lose, Im also starting to like Umbreon UD you can easily add it in it will rip apart Flyphan with Moonlight Fang courtesy of Shiny on page 1

ApachePrime said:
A belted Donphan cannot OHKO a Blaziken PT at 130 HP. The best Donphan can do is 110 with a belt.
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Your forgetting about seting it up :(
 
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