Whats a Good Donphan counter?

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amisheskimoninja said:
^There is absolutely no reason to run a basic over a stage 1 if you have to add DCE to your deck to use it. Think about it. It uses the same number of spots in your deck, and it takes the same number of turns to get out. But its weaker, and you can't search for the DCE.

as far as blaziken, people tried that. its too slow. Why tell someone to run a deck that you know won't work? At least this is a new concept. It might be better because it is faster. You don't know because you haven't tried it.

Actually, you can search for DCE with Energy Exchanger.
 
Zero said:
There's your first problem. That's a badcard. Why play with bad cards?

As for donphan counters, you have none open. You are playing a stage 1 without DCE. You want to play dual type, which limits yourself even further. It is not that simple as teching against donphan. You need to let yourself be open to play against donphan.

Shedninja will do nothing against donphan. It cannot be attacked by phan... but that's about it. Exploud is garbage. I don't know why weakness will make a difference. If you're attacking with Great Houndoom, you need help.

If anything, Dewgong SV, Wash Rotom, and Quagsire 4/Crobat G (for SP) are probably your best bets. Donphan is one of those decks, you can tech against it, but if you do, you'll still lose. You need to play against it. A simple tech will do nearly nothing.

wow all those claims have a very negative base to them thats so sad :(

as for a counter i like SF Bibarel which for 2 colorless energie it does 20 (80 minus 20 with an expert belt) but it sais to choose an attack your opponent cant use that attack next turn A.K.A earthquake when they only have 1 energy and/or heavy impact so they have to use earthquake its also a water 100HP for a stage 1 and has an amazing poke-body :)
 
Crobat G is the absolute best in an SP deck I've found. Retreating and Poke Turning can really stall them out. This is assuming a non Flygon variant.

dmaster out.
 
well i know im keeping Houndoom
as saying Dmaster gives one of the best claims
of using crobat g
but in my opinion exploud like I said at the beggining though
he is not a counter but I lose all my team weakness. As Sturtle saying Blaziken
PL makes the best for it no it means Gyrados will rip me apart then your probably
going to say "then why did you make this thread"
this thread really is to help people struggling to face Donphan I gave a example im going to use at the beggining Spirefang your Bibarel counter is a great Idea
 
mogogomo said:
well i know im keeping Houndoom
as saying Dmaster gives one of the best claims
of using crobat g
but in my opinion exploud like I said at the beggining though
he is not a counter but I lose all my team weakness. As Sturtle saying Blaziken
PL makes the best for it no it means Gyrados will rip me apart then your probably
going to say "then why did you make this thread"
this thread really is to help people struggling to face Donphan I gave a example im going to use at the beggining Spirefang your Bibarel counter is a great Idea

This post is really jumbled and hard to read. But let me start at the beginning:

If you really want to keep Houndoom, then go ahead. But when you face people at league and you get destroyed, tough cookies.

How dmaster got to Crobat G, I don't know. But Crobat G would not work in a fire deck. Your bench space would be filled with Ninetales and Typhlosion, and apparently Exploud.

If you are so worried that Blazkien will fall to water decks, then tech in a line of Exploud. If you already wanted to put him in, then why have you been complaining about weakness? IMO, use Blaziken with Exploud, then stop complaining about weakness. But of course, you're in love with Houndoom.

If you wanted to make a thread about Donphan counters, look up the many that have already been posted. There are about 3. But just remember, if your deck isn't able to handle one card, then your deck needs help. It doesn't need a counter.

Bibarel is... Bibarel. It has a weakness to Donphan, fail. It takes a DCE to do 20 damage, fail. Donphan can OHKO with an Expert Belt, fail. Bidoof could be donked by Donphan 1st turn, fail. But it has it's uses. still, Donphan would only take 20 damage from Bibarel, and then retreat to another Donphan. Fail.

You need to listen to the advice were giving you. DON"T USE HOUNDOOM! BLAZKIEN IS BETTER IN EVERY WAY, AND EXPLOUD GETS RID OF YOUR WEAKNESS!!!! LISTEN TO US!

Please listen...
 
thepliskin5005 said:
The water arecues and just need another two damage counter's for arceaus to one shot him.

It takes 3 energy to attack and it is still 2 damage short. It would suck as a Donphan counter.

Don't run Expoloud

People always suggest it to get over weakness but it is a stage 2 and well be next to imposable to get out while Donphan is constantly earthquaking you. I am going to go with everyone else and say just use Blaziken & Blaziken FB if you want burn going around. They have more HP, 100% chance burn, cheaper attacks, and better support (Ninetales, Typhloshion, Sp Engine) . Houndoom Prime only has the advantage of being a stage 1, other wise it blows.
 
thepliskin5005 said:
The water arecues and just need another two damage counter's for arceaus to one shot him.

Boo. SS711 is giving the good advice. Water Arceus is awful.

If you run Blaziken/Blaziken FB Lv.X, then you can outspeed Gyarados and Kingdra, and you will beat them. You need to ditch Houndoom.
 
Umbreon UD and Hondoom holo UD. Umbreon is immune to Flyphan. Regular Hondoom, if they have Fighting types, you do extra damage. Just add Umbreon UD and e-belts.
 
then what do you think about a extra season with Houndoom unlike blaziken
supersonic im not ententing to attack with exploud
+ Sturtle you know umbreon UD is the best throw 1-1 in and
bam no more Donphan

can someone close this then
 
I'm not going to close this on request. Just ignore the thread and let it die.

Anyway, sturtle, I got to Crobat because Blaziken FB Lv.X was mentioned in the OP. I assumed a mini SP Engine with Poke Turn and one Psychic doesn't take up much space. It IS the best Donphan counter that is easy for an SP deck to have, IMO.

dmaster out.
 
Spidy Freakshow said:
Umbreon UD does a nice job of it
you pretty much need an expert belt and special darkness to get around its body though
actually burning it would work too if you have blaziken X out

That's what I'm thinking. Donphan Prime is just a solid card, with bulk and power built into it. By taking away its ability to attack you, you'll slowly be able to chip away its HP. Run Espeon MD, and you're a mini-tank.

Many people are mentioning Dewgong SV. It's a good idea, but I don't know if it's worth taking out two spots in your deck for Dewgong...three if you don't run Water Energy. LuxChomp doesn't have room for three more cards, but Kingdra might. I think it's best if you Trainer-Locked your opponent, considering Donphan's all about speed and donking ability.
 
sturtle said:
This post is really jumbled and hard to read. But let me start at the beginning:

If you really want to keep Houndoom, then go ahead. But when you face people at league and you get destroyed, tough cookies.

How dmaster got to Crobat G, I don't know. But Crobat G would not work in a fire deck. Your bench space would be filled with Ninetales and Typhlosion, and apparently Exploud.

If you are so worried that Blazkien will fall to water decks, then tech in a line of Exploud. If you already wanted to put him in, then why have you been complaining about weakness? IMO, use Blaziken with Exploud, then stop complaining about weakness. But of course, you're in love with Houndoom.

If you wanted to make a thread about Donphan counters, look up the many that have already been posted. There are about 3. But just remember, if your deck isn't able to handle one card, then your deck needs help. It doesn't need a counter.

Bibarel is... Bibarel. It has a weakness to Donphan, fail. It takes a DCE to do 20 damage, fail. Donphan can OHKO with an Expert Belt, fail. Bidoof could be donked by Donphan 1st turn, fail. But it has it's uses. still, Donphan would only take 20 damage from Bibarel, and then retreat to another Donphan. Fail.

You need to listen to the advice were giving you. DON"T USE HOUNDOOM! BLAZKIEN IS BETTER IN EVERY WAY, AND EXPLOUD GETS RID OF YOUR WEAKNESS!!!! LISTEN TO US!

Please listen...


ummm ok first of all bibarel with an expert belt has 120 hp and will 60 damage straight to donphan, not just that but the attack lets you choose an attack for your opponent to not use A.K.A no earthquake so they have to start loading up 2 more energy and/or heavy impact then they would have to do earthquake for 60 and hurt there bench bibarel is an amazing card
but hey "thats just me" ;)
 
SPIRE_FAN said:
ummm ok first of all bibarel with an expert belt has 120 hp and will 60 damage straight to donphan, not just that but the attack lets you choose an attack for your opponent to not use A.K.A no earthquake so they have to start loading up 2 more energy and/or heavy impact then they would have to do earthquake for 60 and hurt there bench bibarel is an amazing card
but hey "thats just me" ;)
If it's such an amazing card, then why does no one use it? Burn. if Donphan really wanted too, he could be out of there and into a Flygon asap. Another Donphan could be waiting as well. I just think that Bibarel is too slow. Even with DCE.

Umbreon UD or Dewgong SV. Probably the best. But I found that a flailing Phanpy can easily knock out an Umbreon.
 
Sturtle you can attack a double collerless to him and its easy to put another two damage on him by some thing elise.....i dont know any thing that could knock out by one energy card.
 
thepliskin5005 said:
Sturtle you can attack a double collerless to him and its easy to put another two damage on him by some thing elise...i don't know any thing that could knock out by one energy card.

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Please describe.
 
sturtle said:
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Please describe.
LOL. I think he means that you can lock them for 2 (OMG 2) if you dont run flygon, or switch, or warp point, or any other card.

But honestly, Bibarel isnt BAD. Dewgong is just BETTER.
 
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