Why is everyone saying Charizard* is unplayable without Basic Dark Energy?

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Black Winged Gengar

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Everyone seems to think that Charizard* doesn't have potential until basic Darkness Energy is released. Aside from being searchable through a few things (Like castaway) or attachable through something (such as Flygon's Delta Support), there are TONS of things to count as Darkness anymore. With the usual Darkness now, Dark Metal, and Delta Rainbow Energy, you can have 12 energy between all of those right now. Many people play Mag/Trode to save the Darkness on their Pokemon to use on another to gain the damage bonus, so if you have 4 of those you have 16 which is already over the usual mimimum. Between each Holon Pokemon you can have 12 Dark Energy, 2 from each. Regular Rainbow can count as dark, and then there's, though unusuable, Multi Energy. For Evolved there's DRE and Scramble. If you wanted, you could have up to 60 Energies counting as Darkness on a single Pokemon under the most perfect circumstances, and 64 Dark Energies total in play. It's unplayable and dumb, but it can happen.

I really don't think there's a lack of Darkness Energy in the current format, so why does everyone think Charizard has a shot later? If he was playable, you'd see it now, and I honestly think he isn't. I could see him maybe in a Mew EX (LM) deck. Like if there's ever a good deck that needs to have Mew out there stacked with tons of energy, and then when you have the chance put Charizard on the bench for some quick high damage. I don't see him being too popular though.

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I don't think Charizard is going to be playable EVER.

It uses way too many resources, and It's HP isn't going to stay for long. Its hard to stall for 5 turns without it Getting hit. Unless they made Meganium ex/Charizard *. Of course, any card that can attach extra energy to itself would work. Like Charizard */Meganium ex/Flygon d. But still, it will be slow untill Basic Dark's come out. But turn two -However much Charizard does o_O- isn't very bad. But It would be a new MMS, but not even as good as that. Although, it might make a nice Lati * Replacement in MMS.
 
Jealous is the wrong word for that emotion I think. Lol.

Anyways the best combo would have to be Meganium, either that or Charizard d with peal of thunder. At any rate, it's not that playable, unless you want to use him as a winning sweeper, with one attack that will win you the game. If it were an energy or two less for like 120 or 130 then it might be more playable. Even with basic darks this card is nice to trade and sell but I'd get it out of my binder if I ever got it.
 
I found it to be a nice tech in decks with a lot of darkness energy already. Nothing more, nothing less.

I can however see it working in a Delta deck using a Flygon energy build-up, then some other attacker (ANYTHING ELSE AS CHARIZARD IN THAT CASE) and use Charizard as a tech. Move the energies with Gardevoir DS is an option here. Won't be competive but would be fun to see.
 
Yeah it would annoy people especially if they lose to it. Like if they build up only one ex. I would hate to see Charizard * vs aggrn ex. That would really suck.
 
The thing is that it still needs a huge amount of energy, and has a very small amount of HP. It'll get 1 KO perhaps, yipee. It dies next turn. THAT'S why it isn't played.

Arcanine out.
 
My friend has one of those, I think it could be used, but it isn't that great. Its first attack yes, but its second. 150 will take out most Pokemon but discarding all energy is a terrible cost, especially when most have to be special since basic Dark is not yet in English.
 
Mew EX said:
Yeah it would annoy people especially if they lose to it. Like if they build up only one ex. I would hate to see Charizard * vs aggrn ex. That would really suck.
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Unless it's Poke-body was shut off, Charizard couldn't hit Aggron ex, cause its a basic.

Anyway, Charizard *'s HP is just way to low for it to work. Even though it's first attack lets it get the Dark Energy back from the discard pile, it won't last long enough to do it's second more than once.
 
It requires way too many energies. If you are going to use so many things that supply darks as you stated above, as well as an energy supplier, then you'll probably be much better off using Lugia ex for the one shot. Plus, Lugia even comes with a pretty useful body, one retreat, and isn't limited to one per deck.
 
Yeah, I realize it's unplayable forever, I'm just wondering why people think basic Darkness Energy makes a difference. It really doesn't. He would actually fit pretty decently in MMS if you really think about it, but I wouldn't really count it as a major part of the deck. Meganium EX loads up Mew EX and continues to play as normal, then put out Charizard and attack, and Mew can deal pretty easily with the energy loss with picking up on another attack. Then you have a worthless Charizard on the bench. I'm not saying its practical, that's just the ONLY way I can see it being playable at any rate, because in any other deck you have a slow sitting duck.
 
Well... The fact is I'd rather use a Lugia ex for 200 with the use of Holon Magneton / Holon Electrode. ^_^
 
Black Winged Gengar said:
He would actually fit pretty decently in MMS if you really think about it, but I wouldn't really count it as a major part of the deck. Meganium EX loads up Mew EX and continues to play as normal, then put out Charizard and attack, and Mew can deal pretty easily with the energy loss with picking up on another attack. Then you have a worthless Charizard on the bench.
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He would Fit, but there's no room. Latios* is much importent then Charizard*
 
its impossible to get any pokemon * for me , i have over three thousend cards and only 4 ex's amd NO pokmemon * anyway, on the subject, Why is charizard * basic??? charizard is a stage 2??? anyway, it isn't completely useless, you can use dark metal enrgies too remember dark metal enrgy and rainbow energy, multi energy and delta rainbow energy can all be used for dar swirl
 
To answer in order, Pokemon* aren't really that easy to get. Usually they some 1 to every 1-3 boxes. Pokemon* are always basic, no matter what it is in standard form. Charizard's job is done better by 3 other Pokemon* and many ex's.
 
What's the point of playing Charizard* when Latios*, Rayquaza *, and Lugia ex are more playable. Charizard* is a horrible card for gameplay and really has no use except in a collectors folder.
 
Actually I'd have to say UF Entei Rakou and Sucuine * are the worst. They can't do much damage and unless you're losing have terrible effects. They'd be the worst starter ever.
 
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