XY-On

GadgetJax

GadgetJax

Traveling Storyteller and Card Faker
I know the 2015-16 rotation hasn't been confirmed yet, but it's pretty obvious right now that it will be XY-on. What does everyone think the best decks will be, from what we have so far and what we've seen from Primal Clash?

Tier 1

-Yveltal-EX/Ninetales/Stadium Mix (Shadow Circle and/or Silent Lab)

-Seismitoad-EX/Hammers/Ringers

-Bronzong variants (includes M Aggron, Dialga, Aegislash)

-Primal Groudon-EX

-Primal Kyogre-EX

Tier 2

Swampert/Slurpuff

Gengar/Trevenant/Wobbuffet

Blaziken Mix

Night March

Aromatisse variants (includes Toolbox, M Gardevoir, and Florges)

Pyroar Mix

Tier 3

Trevenant-EX/Sceptile

Machamp/Hippowdon

Eelektross/Excadrill Toolboxes

Kingdra




What do you guys think is best for XY-on so far?
 
Does anyone think that Mienshao could replace Donphan? It's a possibility, since N and Mewtwo-EX won't be around anymore.
 
evanlaxbro said:
Aromatisse mega gardevoir ex should be very gould because 2 geomancies and 2 attachments =180 damage
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And also the fact that garbodor is rotating.
 
RE: Decks that are Likely to Drop Tier due to XY5

GadgetJax said:
Does anyone think that Mienshao could replace Donphan? It's a possibility, since N and Mewtwo-EX won't be around anymore.
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If Flygon sees play then maybe not... or we may even see red cards :p
 
I was thinking of starting a thread like this.

Tier 1.

Yveltal EX/Yveltal XY: Varients include the Ninetales/Shadow Circle, Hydreigon PHL, Mega Absol, Mega Kangaskhan, Malamar EX, or some combination of any of these.

Fighting: As long as Strong Energy, Korrina, and Fighting Stadium are in format, fighting decks are going nowhere. Without Mewtwo EX in format, Lucario should become a whole lot better. Machamp decks should also be good (especially with multistrike Medicham!) and I think Groudon EX and it's primal/mega is going to be pretty strong. Hawlucha and Landorus (non EX) make great support Pokemon.

Water Decks: Dive Ball is a godsend to water decks. Kyogre looks like a contender. Greninja could also start to see more play. And Swampert looks very very promising.

Bronzong/Metal: We lose Cobalion, but keep Aegislash, Dialga, and Heatran. We also get Mega Aggron.

Tier 2

Fire Varients: Blacksmith and the new Scorched Stadium should keep fire someone relevent for some time. Pyroar, Charizard EX, Delphox, and the upcoming Camerrupt EX are possible variants. The thing that will keep them from tier one is the presence of water decks.

Grass decks: They take a HUGE hit with the loss of Virizion and Genesect, but they're going to hit so many things for weakness that I can't see the being bad. Some possible grass attackers are Sceptile, Shiftry, and Trevenant EX. Sceptile (ability) gives it some decent acceleration options.

Fairy Decks: Losing Max Potion is going to suck, but they still have a lot at their disposal and get two new megas (Gardevoir and Diancie) to play with.

Mega Manectric Varients: The fighting weakness is still going to be problematic, but it's too good not to see play.

Dragonite EX (possibly with Mega Manectric): We still keep Super Scoop Up and AZ so Dragonite can do it's thing. Illumise (XY5) can provide some easy acceleration.

Dimensional Valley: Too good not to see play. The new Starmie gives me some hope that this can stay relevant after the rotation.

Basically, I think Megas will replace EXes (which will serve as support attackers) while strong evolutions will also make an impact.
 
I'm sorry to put your thread down, but I have 3 objections:
1- Last time we had a rotation that included a reprint set, it included CoL in the rotation. If we rotated to XY-on, that would rotate 5 sets, which pokemon hasn't done in awhile. I'm expecting it to go to LT, leaving some important BW promos (*ahem* N) and support from LT EXs, holos, and other trainers. Many times pokemon wants to keep in certain cards for a long time to keep the player base happy (like N or Tropical Beach)
2- I feel like you are hyping a little too much for this next set. I remember that there was a lot of hype for PHF, but it really only made a few good decks: Gengar variants and metal variants. Night march and crobat variants are unpredictable, but somewhat viable, so I will include them. For this set, with over 160 cards, will be big, but not huge. Cards like Ninetails, M Aggron, Primals, Blaziken (the new one right???), Swampert, Trevenant-EX, Sceptile, Hippowdon, Eelektross, Excadrill, Kingdra are all good in theory, but could just end up like magnezone EX and heracross EX or holos like Hydreigon (PHF) and Feraligatr (PHF), which were hyped at the time and are very bad now.
3- How can you estimate what decks could be viable for the 2015 rotation without knowing what will be good in XY6? We only know rayquaza is in it, but nothing else. We don't even know what is good in XY5 for the US now...its not even fully released.

I didn't intend to fully roast your thread, but I don't really see this type of thread this early into the season. Usually this comes at June-September, but December is way too early to speculate this type of stuff.
 
Elbow said:
I'm sorry to put your thread down, but I have 3 objections:
1- Last time we had a rotation that included a reprint set, it included CoL in the rotation. If we rotated to XY-on, that would rotate 5 sets, which pokemon hasn't done in awhile. I'm expecting it to go to LT, leaving some important BW promos (*ahem* N) and support from LT EXs, holos, and other trainers. Many times pokemon wants to keep in certain cards for a long time to keep the player base happy (like N or Tropical Beach)
2- I feel like you are hyping a little too much for this next set. I remember that there was a lot of hype for PHF, but it really only made a few good decks: Gengar variants and metal variants. Night march and crobat variants are unpredictable, but somewhat viable, so I will include them. For this set, with over 160 cards, will be big, but not huge. Cards like Ninetails, M Aggron, Primals, Blaziken (the new one right???), Swampert, Trevenant-EX, Sceptile, Hippowdon, Eelektross, Excadrill, Kingdra are all good in theory, but could just end up like magnezone EX and heracross EX or holos like Hydreigon (PHF) and Feraligatr (PHF), which were hyped at the time and are very bad now.
3- How can you estimate what decks could be viable for the 2015 rotation without knowing what will be good in XY6? We only know rayquaza is in it, but nothing else. We don't even know what is good in XY5 for the US now...its not even fully released.

I didn't intend to fully roast your thread, but I don't really see this type of thread this early into the season. Usually this comes at June-September, but December is way too early to speculate this type of stuff.
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This is exactly how I feel lol. LT onwards sounds likely, which keeps Mewtwo around and PhF was meh imo.
 
The original poster added that he was interested in what decks will be good based on the cards we know we have or are getting. I do think alot of decks will be played less but not because they lost value or are less competitve but because Primal clash will be giving us a lot of new deck ideas and gameplay. I am assuming XY6, and XY7 will have more anciant traits and in each set we will get good playable cards.

As far as possibly rotation cutoffs I think there are a few that would make sense. The first possibility is Plasma Blast on, the reasoning I have behind this is we Know boundries crossed is getting rotated and if plasma storm gets rotated plasma freeze would also get rotated because some of the cards we got in plasma freeze Japan got in Plasma storm and vice versa, and three sets to get rotated is a pretty standard number. The second rotation cut off would be Legendary Tressures and on becuase as someone mentioned LTR has many cards that are still competivitly played. And the Third option would be an XY and on rotation which is likley. 4 sets to be rotated is also very likley, with the last rotation we lost 3.5 sets.

XY and on would be a rotation of 5 sets which is still very likley.

There are also a few Black Star promo rotations that could happen. First would be BW promo 81 and on which would leave us with plasma decks. The second would be Black Star promo 87 and on which is verry likley because that is when The eevelution box started giving us one of the first looks at sylveon. And the third would be XY promo 1 and on.
 
@Ironman131

To your first point, how are we supposed to know what we will be getting? There are times when we do not receive cards in Japanese until sets later, and we don't even know what cards are in XY6. The thread should be titled: XY-PC (primal clash) or LT-PC, which is all that we know of right now. And I can also assume we will have spirit links, ancient traits, and other goodies in XY6, but until we receive scans and translations then trying to speculate on whats good after a rotation is useless.
I do have some sort of agreement on a possible PLB rotation. If pokemon continues with the 3 set rotations, then PLB would be the set to rotate to. It also keeps in plasma energy for Lugia EX in LT (which would be a useless card without it). But with PLB we would have dusknoir, Exeggcute, Juniper (which should be rotated out for sycamore), VirGen, blastoise, Jirachi EX, and silver bangle. Those cards do have a large effect on the format now and its time for a shift that the last 2 rotations couldn't fulfill. I can easily see a 4 set rotation, but 5 barely happens. 3 is also unusual, but it happens. 5 is not very likely, but possible.
And the BW rotations will probably be to 87 or 95.
 
Once again "Cards we already have or know we are getting" Obviusly we dont know what is in XY6 yet. What Gadetjax may have ment to say was what decks will be good with the cards we know we have or are getting and not even inculded the rotation part aside from the lower end of the rotation. The fact that Lugia EX is in LTR pushes me more to the XY on rotation possibility because i dont think the pokemon company would leave an EX pokemon in rotation that can not be played at all.
 
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Yup. I personally hope it's X/Y on because I am #$%$ sick of Garbodor (though at least we'd keep Mew EX). Either way, I don't see the harm in guessing which decks would prosper in a hypothetical X/Y on format. You could make some pretty competitive decks using only cards from those 5 sets.
 
Remember to stay on topic, everyone. If you want to continue discussion on what the next format will be, you can make another thread. :)

GadgetJax said:
Does anyone think that Mienshao could replace Donphan? It's a possibility, since N and Mewtwo-EX won't be around anymore.
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I don't think it's a great replacement. Shuffling itself back into the deck requires you to draw so much more to deal good damage each turn. You also no longer have Wreck, and since you have to attach a new Energy each turn to Mienshao, you can't build Energy up on anything anyway.

I think the decks that will really get better in the XY-On format are Kyogre, Groudon, Seismitoad, Swampert. I think you can all guess why. Without Virizion and Genesect in the format, there's not a common grass deck that can give them a hard time. Sceptile decks are sure to get more popular because of that, but Sceptile isn't strong enough to handle most other things in the format, thus they probably won't become popular enough to totally shut down the Grass-weak decks.

As the others have mentioned, we don't know enough about XY6 and XY7 to know what will be good in that format. We'll just have to wait, I guess.
 
While I think the toad will always be good, I don't see it being top tier without laserbank. Maybe as a supporting role while setting up other attackers.

That also made me realize that when Virbank is rotated (along with bangle), Sceptile won't be as good. The virbank/bangle combo allows Sceptile to hit 180 (120 base + 30 from bangle + 30 from poison), but after rotation, it will only hit for 150 with muscle band and 10 from poison. That makes Shiftry the most likely candidate for grass decks.
 
I was kind of hoping for Plasma Freeze-On for the next Standard/Modified rotation but all things considered in regards to the overall power creep of the BW sets I feel that XY-On is for the best. Hypnotoxic Laser and Virbank City Gym we're bad for the game balance wise while Basic EX's still continue to linger on through Mega Evolution with Manectric/Yveltal which doesn't lose much from the XY-On rotation other than Darkrai EX. While we lose Garbodor we still have Wobbuffet to contend with which shouldn't be that hard to get around thanks to Lysandre and Flare Command Pyroar.

Trevenant EX I feel is a strong contender to help counter Kyogre EX, Seismitoad EX, and Swampert since Wood Blast does 100 damage for a DCE and 1 of any energy (unless they have Weakness Policy attached to lessen the amount of damage dealt) and is easily splashable in decks that abuse DCE such as Blaziken and Charizard/Pyroar which Bronzong variants will have a difficult matchup against unless they tech in water types to cover their weakness to fire. If Hypnotoxic Laser and Virbank City Gym stuck around Primal Clash Beedrill and Dragalge would've been the next best thing since Stormfront Machamp and Rising Rivals Flygon.
 
You can't predict something so far away. It is still like 7-8 months away. New sets come out, and decks go away.
 
If garbodor gets rotated I will be sad, purely because I don't like Pyroar, Suicune ect.
 
Valex said:
If garbodor gets rotated I will be sad, purely because I don't like Pyroar, Suicune ect.
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Suicune would be rotated as well, and Pyroar really isn't much of a problem anymore, since you can answer easily to it with so many Stage 1's.
 
Remember that given the 6-8 months, we might have another 2 or 3 sets introduced. It has always been the case with the TCG to have at least 8 sets before rotation. Either way, this will shift the game as we won't have a lot of the staples we see, such as Safeguard pokemon, Garbodor, ACE-Specs and as well as others like Max Potion.

So it'll be interesting to see what the meta brings then.
 
Do people think Ace-Specs will be brought back? I saw them as a good mechanic, and I'm fairly surprised they took them away, to be honest. Max Potion will probably end up being reprinted, I'd think.
 
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