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I'de agree with big basics/garbodor. Even with 2 scrappers that matchup is just tough. However I would disagree with the empoleon matchup. If they set up a dusknoir first it kind of hurts, but as long as you can keep energy going, and setup before them the matchup is really positive. If they get...

A 5 energy keldeo sweeps empoleon, so leafeon's the counter. Plus the fact that he's a 1 energy attacker makes him a good secondary attacker for the deck, without secondaries empoleon runs out of attackers.

7 prizes* Every deck forces you to take 6 prizes haha.

Turn 2* and that's if the victini player chooses to go second (which he/she probably wouldn't). Going second is technically turn 1. ~Camoclone

RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX / Kyurem) http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/tcg_errata_1013-2013-10-01/ November 8th is when the rule changes take place in english, so the change actually takes place in november, so before cities. If virgen isn't running beach it has lets outs...

RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX / Kyurem) Really? I'm expecting plasma to see a ton of cities play. Not because it's going to be better than everything, but it's going to be the only deck accessable to the public financially. Virgen and Blastoise both use beach and are HELLA expensive...

^Not true. Getting 1 turn in to deluge a ton of energy is a big advantage. If you can power up two keldeos in the turn you get of deluging from tool scrapper you'll be in good shape. Another thing you can do is power up a keldeo quickly, catcher garbodor kill it and be in the advantage...

Lists without beach can work sometimes, but in any deck that isn't attacking turn 1, (and especially one that needs a stage 2 to operate) you should have at least 2-3 tropical beach.

Minimum 2-1-1 if you want to make an impact vs. plasma. I run 3-2-1 Blast/Exalted Drifblim because it's good in the mirror and plasma, but that's just me.

What possibly for? You would be hurting yourself much more than you'de be helping. Immunity to lasers is HUGE, and if garbodor is just for blastoise the blastoise matchup is decent already when you can OHKO their acceleration. Plus red signal's pretty decent too, I just don't see how the...

RE: Darkrai EX / Sableye / Garbodor Valid point, but only the aggro darkrai variant can really keep up like that. There's no way sabelye focused decks can withstand the 50 minute time limit. And though it's not reccomended by any means, intentional slow play exists and this deck could...

RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX / Kyurem) I'de disagree. Plasma landorus is really energy hungry and can be a pain to setup, and needless to say the plasma fire types are pretty shitty. I'de say your best bet against darkrai garbodor is putting in a basic energy line instead of blends...

1. Deoxys won't (or at least shouldn't) be targeted down. For one he can be max potioned making the damage you just did useless, and vs. genesect you have to be attacking the pokemon that have the energy otherwise you just get steamrolled. 2. Imo turbo genesect with badge can be very bad if it...

I wasn't at all implying you had to run drifblim, just saying that's the variant I run lugia with and it works. And thanks for the advice, but I don't think darkrai will see as much play as plasma this season at the big tournaments, and even if it does the matchup isn't that terrible. The...

If deoxys retreat was 1 I would run it in this deck, but because it's 2 it's very susceptible to catcher scrap stall repeatedly with sabelye and it can be a huge pain. It does help with plasma, but I run drifblim plus enhanced hammer so I really don't think I need more plasma support.

I'm a huge fan of lugia 1-of in this deck. Ones that run plain grass plasma do really well with a lugia, I'm not a huge fan of running 2 types of special energy in a deck that's not TDK because you get enhanced hammered to death and even if you can get an attack off it's hard to keep...

If your only testing is against plasma with only 1 scrapper you should probably get a wider variety of plasma variants to test against. Just because the people at your league only run 1 scrapper doesn't mean that people at tournaments only run 1 scrapper.

I really don't think you need to be worried with victini. It's been said time and time again but unless you can make a god-like meta call and predict a ton of genesect/virizion decks it simply shouldn't be played. In my opinion it's just too much of a liability and the card falls to a lot of the...

RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX / Kyurem) You debated that he had a place in meta decks because of his positive dragon type matchup with BKEX. He could totally be fun, but you were trying to come from a fun standpoint with him, as well as a competitive standpoint. Dialga is simply 1 and...

RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX / Kyurem) ^This Not to mention you won't always have 4 plasma energy availiable to mill if you want to take that route. 4 for 90 is pretty bad, and unless the meta becomes really dragon oriented I don't think this is the play.