Ivy_Profen said:
how is catchering deoxys great? its 2 prizes. If it was not an ex then sure it can tank hits. but majority of the formant focus on OHKOs and these 170 magic numbers. Tanking a 170 hit isn't helping you. You can say yes, it will allow your attacker to stay alive. But your chances for your magic number are also now gone. You are then down 2 prizes, you cant ko next turn and get knocked out the following turn with the same 170 that took out deoxys. Also plasma badge + colress machine is not consistent. There are good chances they will come out of order. First turn you get a colress machine with then you put it on your genesect in the back. Then plasma badge comes out next turn and its kind of pointless now. Virizion is now fully charged anyway.
Also deoxy requires the use of plasma badges for it to work. Thus making it 5 cards with 3 plasma badges, i doubt you will want to have less than 3 since you are all about consistency. You also probably want to carry more tool scrappers for the silver mirrors since everything in your deck will be plasma.
Hypnotoxic laser also gives the change for sleep. Everything can come down to one turn flip. Granted you don't want it to come to that and rely on a flip. But the possibility is out there if you need it. Plus with the virbank city out it removes the free retreat of the mirror match. Since you probably will also have float stones, and your opponent wont. Still somewhat leveling the playing field. They will have to discard energy to retreat and theres a good chance if you play correctly, you will not. The opponent will also have to spread their grass energy around early on to prevent catchers and lasers. If they dont you can tack on and extra 30 damage, and either force them to drop the grass energy for their turn or switch out.
If hypnotoxic wasn't a good card it wouldn't be still so heavily played, regardless of there being 1 card in particular that makes it utterly useless. Yes you may have 4 extra cards that just sit in your deck in a mirror match. Same thing as 2 deoxys and a lugia if its against a garbodor deck.
1. Deoxys won't (or at least shouldn't) be targeted down. For one he can be max potioned making the damage you just did useless, and vs. genesect you have to be attacking the pokemon that have the energy otherwise you just get steamrolled.
2. Imo turbo genesect with badge can be very bad if it doesn't set up, I'm with you there. However if it gets the t1 emerald slash it's going for it will most indefinitely destroy you if theres a genesect, or lugia on the bench, especially against blastoise. Not to mention you're not using your stadium slot, just a tool slot, this way you can have skyarrow or beach. Especially if you're not attacking t1 with E-slash, you want to be drawing from beach. Deoxys really helps with the plasma matchup too, 110-20, catcher 110-20 KO's 2 kyurems which is huge.
3. I'm not sure what kind of argument you're trying to make with lasers, it's good vs. plasma and darkrai. It's not really helping vs. blastoise because you should be ohkoing, or 2hkoing everything anyway. And in the mirror it's utterly useless, it's 6 automatically dead cards where they might be running a drifblim line, enhanced hammers, max potions, or a variety of other techs that you don't have access to because of your dead laser line. The part about catcher lasering 30 damage to something with no grass is silly, why would you spend resources taking out things that aren't a threat? Not to mention you can't just assume that your opponent won't run any switch/float stones just because he/she runs skyarrow. I for one run both skyarrow and 3 float stones, while the stadium's nice not everything has 1 retreat in the deck, and there has to be outs against catcher stalling/stadium wars as well as when your skyarrows are prized.
4. Lugia and Deoxys aren't dead vs. garbodor. Sure hindered to a degree, but tool scrapper still lives in existance (you should be running at LEAST 1 in this deck), and taking out garbodor with genesect is pretty easy with the 100 straight it deals. Once it comes to that genesect will simply outpower darkrai, the ability to ohko with g-booster, and the immunity to lasers makes it a tough matchup for straight darkrai.
