“Stellar Miracle” Pokemon TCG Set Featuring Terapagos ex Revealed!
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the staggering irony of a statement like this should be evident.
i don't know how to even begin to explain why this is wrong without coming across as a bully, because I think it should be really obvious that this current era is so saturated with evolution decks, especially Stage 2, at all levels of play including the highest performing tournament decks, that one could only make a statement like this if they're completely checked out and firing off outdated frustration blindly into a cloud of smoke with a complaint they "think" will sound apt. evolution is a part of the majority of decks in the game right now.
as far as the supposed "normalization" of item cards attaching free energy, i would like to remind everyone that such a thing only exists for three colors and two archetypes, and the long-term success of these effects vary wildly (no one would, for example, consider Gutsy Pickaxe to be comparable to Mirage Gate), with them either requiring meaningful external setup or risk-taking in the form of card-checking or coin flipping.
there is no demonstrated correlation between your argument and the statistic you are trying to connect to it. as a reminder, what you are conflating with exclusively hyper competitive-minded players of this game is the very idea of "enjoying energy accelerating effects" or "liking to draw additional cards in their turn". believe it or not, i'm willing to go out on a limb and make the outlandish assumption that casual players probably also like effects that let them put more cards into play during their turn than they could without them and don't actually have some staunch, principled stance against ever using them because they're icky. similarly, you would also not be able to gesture in the direction of a statistic of how many people exclusively collect pokemon cards rather than play the game in order to assert that a majority of people both have an opinion on and also specifically agree with your position on the mechanics of the game they don't play. hope this helps!
they're far more strongly held back by generation 9's disgusting "bingo chip" shape for energy. definitely the least desirable middle ground between "spheroid" and "2d circle" and i hope that the next generation doesn't fumble their energy designs like the last two have.
my post was not combative, and i'm not mad about anything. i was trying to, reasonably charitably, explain what i thought they meant by that. the problem is that describing the act of any energy acceleration or card draw as "overshadowing the rules" needlessly negatively charges it and, at least in reply to you, made a post explaining what i thought the meaning was come across as taking a position against it.
OK so then you and this "majority" of people start your own format and play together and only use base set cards and only the ones that don't break the rules. Have fun, it sounds horrible to me but whatever floats your boat. When I play with friends we have our own rules we play by but that breaks even more rules so it would probably infuriate you. Seriously though pioneer a new format of you're not happy with the current one. But that doesn't mean the rest of us that like it should have to play the way you want to play. Personally I like attaching lots of energy and drawing lots of cards
But then wouldn't it become whatever attacks for the least energy cost and the most damage and then you can just lose to a boss, I feel like the one energy accels are fine especially stuff like Crispin, I feel like it'll be ok if everytype had the same acceleration
I think the main issue at play here isn't the concept of power creeping itself, but moreso the fact that it is only primarily happening with a specific class of cards (i.e. the 2-Prize Rule Box Pokémon), and the rest of the game isn't compensating for their increased power with them. Consider that:
- Stage 2 "baby" Pokémon still haven't broken the 200HP ceiling since their last known power creep in Gen V, (as least as best as I can think of right now on the spot, by all means correct me if there is one)
- Damaging status conditions are hardly significant dents for modern Rule Box 'Mons
- Basic Pokémon are still getting introduced with 30HP, which is open season for many of the stronger cards
It's creating an inconsistency between the cards in the game. By power creep logic, 30HP in the early days of the game should be equivalent to 50-70HP today, and Poison/Burn damage should have increased by a minimum of one damage counter, but we're not seeing that. Even the only Trainer card that somewhat responded to power creep is Potion, and nobody uses that.
No, that's a correlation made up by you. In general, casual players are not interested in "winning at all costs" by copying decks from online sources. There are also creative players, who detest the idea of netdecking as a principle, even if they are quite skilled at the game. There are many player profiles participating in every game.
The main feature making Pokemon TCG inaccessible right now is the gap between "haves" and "have nots" in the form of cards that allow you to accelerate large amounts of Energy at once. Casual players are not known to stumble on a "have" deck by accident, usually.
That is quite a leap to make from "you can't prove these people exist" to "okay, these people exist and they're a known player profile, but they wouldn't agree with you anyway" (as though players have to "agree" with design, not just experience it). Keep in mind that the original reply started with the assertion that power creep is okay, because there are multiple decks being power-crept at the same time.
I guess I'm just not worried about if burn and poison are viable. The 30 HP is a valid point but there are still Basic evolving Pokémon that survive just fine. I mean the best Deck being Charizard shows they're doing fine because that deck relies on Charmander and Pidgey staying alive. I don't don't think there that much inconsistency myself and what there is makes sense. There should be a gap between single prize and 2 prize Pokémon because of the prize cards cost difference.
There should be a gap, but I think the gap is still too big. For example, I don't really think basic 2-prizers should be better than Stage 2 1-prizers considering the Stage 2s are much harder to get into play. The Stage 2s may be better in some ways already (such as lower attack costs or cool abilities like Frigibax's), but I don't get why Stage 2 1-prizers still have much lower HP a large percentage of the time. Still, it isn't game-ruining, just frustrating.
pokemon who are worth two KOs when they are defeated having roughly two times the HP of equivalent cards who are only worth one KO makes sense, doesn't it? as with multi-prize monsters, there is a range that results in tankier and less tanky examples among single prizers. there isn't really any "reason" for single prize monsters to necessarily need to be "only" some smaller amount of total HP behind cards who are, again, by design "worth two pokemon". i'd say the gap now is the healthiest it's ever been.
HP30 is no more "open season" for rule box cards than it is for non rule box cards. as it is now, HP30 is reserved for archetypically "puny" monsters, like Baby Pokemon and assorted small fries like Magikarp, and that's why most basic pokemon now range from 50-80 HP. and even in spite of this supposed hyper-vulnerability and incapability of keeping up, there are still multiple HP30 cards seeing regular play.
poison not, on its own, doing "proportionally" more damage in all instances isn't a failure to keep up, what it instead creates is opportunity for "Poison as Archetype" effects to render the mechanic into a style of play without erasing design space for "Poison as chip".
you are again continuing to conflate "using Dark Patch" or "using Electric Generator" with an "[interest] in winning at all costs", now also pivoting to the equally unrelated tangent of netdecking for some reason? as if to suggest that players will actively shun using widely available and accessible cards because someone else is using them? i would go as far as to say that there are very few if any meaningfully inaccessible energy acceleration effects in the game (almost all of them being common or uncommon and even most that aren't being worth pennies on any secondary market) and you are welcome to cite literally any examples of the attack on the have-nots instead of avoiding any subatance. without distractions this time, please.
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That Crispin though! Hope he gets a full art
This has nothing to do with power creep, this has to do with game balncing, and game balncing is very very Bad for pokemon.
Power creep is just a natural phenomenon whitch happen when game designers can't balance the game and they have to peint stronger cards to compete with the broken card they accidentally made
Yeah 1 prize stage 2 need to average 200 HP to be good in current format
Charmander and Pidgey aren't 30HP Pokémon though, and the deck depends on getting your Pidgeot/Charizard out turn 2 at the earliest before your opponent can attempt to snipe/gust them anyway. And of course many decks want you set up by turn 2, but Charmander and Pidgey have a little more survivability than a 30/40HP Poltchageist.
Special Conditions not being viable is somewhat a concern since it's such a backbone of the franchise's mechanics. You'd want them to work in the way they are meant to by hampering your opponent and not as a buff for your own attacks, but there's too many outs for them to be significant.
While gaps should exist, there has to be some sort of balance as well. The previous 2-prize evolutions, GX Pokémon, typically maxed out at 250HP, and now the current 2-prize ex evolutions are easily passing 300HP (which in the previous Generation not too long ago would have considered that a 3-prizer). At some point standard Pokémon have to catch up with that. If 2-prizers eventually reach 400HP consistently, then standard Stage 2 Pokémon have to clear 200HP at a minimum.
Status conditions are a big deal in the games, but I feel like they've rarely been super important in the TCG. I'd still like for them to be better, but I don't think it's a massive deal if they're not...just sort of disappointing/lame.
I don't think that because GX Pokémon were around 250 that it should mean ex Pokémon can't be higher because there's no way to play one against the other in standard. The reason it's OK for them to only give up 2 prize cards is that they are stage 2. Plus I personally think 3 prize cards are bad for the game that's the one area where I think power creep is bad. Because it's not that hard to knock out a big HP 3 prize Pokémon anymore and boom 2 knock outs and the game is over. I hope 3 prize Pokémon are a thing of the past. I just don't worry too much about what single prize Pokémon have for hp because to me they are mostly support Pokémon for your main multi prize Pokémon. Baxcalibur being a prime example of this. It's not in there to take big damage or attack. It's to ride the bench and use it's ability. I don't want it hard to kill because killing it is the best way to shut down Chien-Pao. I don't really play GLC so I'm not worried about how strong single Pokémon are.
Never said that ex Pokémon can't be higher, I'm just demonstrating how the power creep is advancing at its current trajectory while standard Pokémon continue to remain stagnant.
HP on single prize Pokemon increases more slowly relative to multiprize because they are worth only a single prize card when knocked out. a lot of math hinges on this being the case and rushing to "power creep" HP on single prizers is a far bigger risk than doing it with Pokemon ex. go play some single prize stage 2 decks and get back to me. what happens might surprise you.
Please stop trying to make everything about you it's just a holographic design