Bob The Magical Penguin said:
We don't need 6th gen already.
whaaaaat? Sure we do D:<
SoulSilver said:
Hello, I'm not someone whose active here at all, but I saw the news article on the main set and felt the need to post up why I feel that for every reason there is to suggest R/S won't be remade, there are just as many reasons suggesting the remakes will indeed exist (and possibly next year):
The issue is the 3DS changeover is much much less a mess if they just go to next gen instead of starting the new generation in technical/compatibility terms with remakes.
They could go for that, but it seems unlike something gamefreak would go for this instead of the elegant way.
Still we can't ignore the high probability that R/S will be remade. I was a person who kept saying "Gold and Silver will never be remade" and lo and behold, they were. So to say for absolute certainty that they won't be is kind of foolish.
SoulSilver said:
1) Many R/S games are having their battery run dry.
This is something people had encountered with the 1st and 2nd gen games and is now effecting R/S games (I can speak from experience here, my Sapphire had it happen) and thus you can't play them anymore. You'd be foolish to think that Nintendo and GameFreak don't know this.
They could start "omg GBA games on 3DS e-shop" thing properly by having gen III remakes on there. xDD
No idea what nintendos plans are in this area though, they seem pretty secretive.
Yeah I address the eShop below...It doesn't bring in as much income as retail sales do. eShop is for things that would flop at retail price (Mutant Mudds, Mighty Switch Force, NightSky, etc.). Pokemon would sell hundreds of thousands of copies at retail like it always has. Only recent Pokemon game I think should be eShop only is Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Magnagate.
SoulSilver said:
2) Nintendo -- and in turn GameFreak -- are about moving forward.
You may able to get 3rd Pokemon via a couple methods (3rd -> 4th -> 5th or 4th (Plat/HG/SS) -> 5th), but Nintendo nor GameFreak wants to admit to that. They want to move forward with new products and cut off support for 3rd and soon 4th generation games. I guarantee you by 2014 latest we'll have a new model of 3DS that will not read DS game cards. You might say "no, they're the same shape as 3DS games!" yeah well new Wii models and Wii U won't read GCN games, new models of 360 and PS3 won't read XBox and PS2 games respectively. All of which their games are the same shape -- a standard disc. It'd be a simple task to yank backwards compatibility from new models of 3DSes. And yes you could still play 5th gen on a DS/DSLite to use the GBA slot, but again: NINTENDO WON'T TELL YOU TO. They'd push the new 3DS model.
When its about the pokemon themselves being available, they do a good job of covering all the crucial stuff (starters/legendaries) in each generation.
Any Hoenn-exclusive starter/legendary is just as hard to get as Kanto/Johto starters/legendaries. Or its even available in BW2.
The least available starters and mascot legends at the moment are the gen IV ones.
True enough, but still we need Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, etc. in Gen V. Yes, the former 2 are in an event, but that makes them no profit at all. There's still some leftover for R/S remakes. Not to mention there's no word of regions outside Japan getting the Groudon and Kyogre event.
SoulSilver said:
3) 10th anniversary
Yes I know the anniversary has come and gone, but they already had B2/W2 going. That was using B/W's engine and was a simple game to make, I assure you. With R/S remakes, however, it'd take a considerable amount of time to rebuild it from ground up for 3/DS. So they probably did B2/W2 to tide people over till R/S remakes were ready to be shown off. Remember: HG/SS were the last 4th generation games.
Remember, Emerald was the last game in 3rd gen...
you cant compare back, the situation is a completely different one anyway due to gen V not being 3DS.
You can't knock the point either. HG/SS were much larger than Platinum, more time had to be spent on them to not just upscale 1 region, but to upscale 2. I assure you upscaling Hoenn would a long time too since its not exactly what I'd call a "small region". Yes, most of it is water, but there's still a lot to be done hence why their remakes may be the last games for Gen. V.
SoulSilver said:
4a) Hints up the wazoo
In B2/W2 there's a house that in the originals had a Team Rocket member living it, and I can't provide proof of this myself (haven't played B2/W2 in a while) but from what I've heard from multiple people that person is no longer there. Its now a Team Aqua (or Team Magma, I forget) member. A bit of a ... random change wouldn't you agree?
Not at all.. its as much a hint for RSE remakes then as the on in BW was for FRLG remakes.
Actually the Rocket one we saw first, that was much more of a suspicious thing. changing to the RS ones is the funny thing anyone would do with sequels like those.
No, it wasn't just for laughs. Why change it when he's a minor, no-name character? There had to have been a reason why they changed it. You don't change something that insignificant "just for laughs". They'd have kept him a Rocket if there wasn't something related to Hoenn coming up.
SoulSilver said:
4b) Dive has returned to being an HM. This was not the case in 4th generation, yet all of a sudden it is for 5th generation? I think that's because if it wasn't, it'd cause compatibility issues with R/S remakes. Not to mention that due to Dive being an HM we have underwater segments of the games, which further proves that they are subtly hinting to the existence of R/S remakes.
There are no possible compatibility issues with what HM is used in whatever game.
I mean heck the previous remakes had different HMs than their current generation.
Given, but still the question has to be asked: Why Dive? Its not a good move in battle, underwater in Unova isn't that important (some sellable items. woo.). Yet, for Hoenn Dive was a requirement. You needed it progress in the game and chase after Magma/Aqua. I think its inclusion means something.
SoulSilver said:
4c) Groudon and Kyogre events
Surely we all know of this recent event. You might be a naysayer who says "well its just to celebrate the 10th aniv, nothing else". No, I don't think so. Its always been the first 2 games remade with elements of the 3rd (HG/SS featuring the Suicune subplot) and who are the poster boys of R/S? Groudon and Kyogre. Kinda makes you think why they picked those two in particular for the event.
Because it was 10 year anniversary of RS... I thought that would have been a good occasion to announce remakes being in development, but no they hand out the legends themselves instead eh? Just further dicredits possibilities of RS remakes as the next thing coming at us. Especially if they do the same as wifi-download for international in a year..
Yeah because you don't use the mascots to hype up anything. Never. *rolls eyes*
SoulSilver said:
5) Money
This is the biggest reason they will exist.
You might also say "We don't need full remakes, they can slap them onto the eShop". Very true, but Nintendo nor GameFreak would want that. Pokemon is a cashcow. One of Nintendo's biggest. Gamer or not, you know what Pokemon is. Its a household name. Hell, Pokemon has become a literal word due to the massive popularity. Why settle for $5-$10 on eShop when you can get $35 or $40 a pop for full blown remakes? GameFreak and Nintendo are businesses, they want money and as much of it as they can get. Wouldn't make much business sense. You could say 'why not remake 1st or 2nd gen again then?" because we have them already and they know consumers won't buy them again so soon. Will we ever see new R/B and G/S games? I'm not sure, but maybe.
You make it sound like there is barely work involved in creating remakes. They have to visually redo everything and add enough new content too.
At least as much development as BW2 took Im guessing
No, I should've clarified. I meant "why not put the originals on the eShop?". The answer is they'd want the millions they could make off of full remakes. Not the thousands from a $10 eShop release of the originals. There's much more money to be made from remakes than an eShop release of the originals. Not to mention, with eShop release the games would miss out one key factor that I think will keep Pokemon off eShop permanently -- connectivity with other copies of the games. Yes they could add inferred but they wouldn't. I promise it'd be a bare bones release. Thus remakes would be wiser.
SoulSilver said:
6th) Demand
You may not like R/S, but a lot of people love them. Myself included. I've posted this kind of article on GameFAQs and other such places and even done polls, and while those aren't a fraction of gamers, the polls ended with more people WANTING remakes than there are people who oppose them. So this goes back to money -- there's a lot of it to be made with that kind of demand.
I love RSE. I just replayed Emerald this year. The lack of physical/special split is not cool, but other than that, they're still way more awesome to play than the first 2 gens. Id rather have new games next.
Im sure they can find a way to milk the RSE crowd...when they get the right opportunity for it. Right now, its not a good time. Perhaps after the first 3DS set. Im sure the demand will be even higher by then anyway, especially if they put some "red gyarados on tv"-stuff in 6th gen games to fuel that desire even further. Gamefreak know what theyre doing.
As a business you don't see a pile of money and say "I'll take it, but not right now.". No if you have a cash cow that is ready to be milked, you milk it. Waiting would piss people off and that'd lower the sales. Look at Duke Nukem Forever. It took over a decade to come out, sales suffered for it. R/S remakes won't be delayed to Gen. VI because the hype is now, they know it and they'll take it to the bank.
Think of it this way. If they make 6th gen first, and use Hoenn after that, it'll probably look more beautiful anyway.
