(2) BW Rule Changes, Set and Theme Deck Lists [4/4]

Yeah, I count the following amounts so far:

-Journey Partners: 9
-Black Collection: 56
-White Collection: 55 (since the 56th is the Pikachu in Black Collection)
-Beginning Set: 37
-Battle Strength Decks: 30 (14 cards each, minus 12 repeat Trainers in the second/third decks)
-BW-P Promos: 33

That's 220 cards total, minus the 114 in our Base Set, as well as whichever cards we've already gotten as promos. So unless our second BW set dips into cards from whatever the next real Japanese set is...
 
Yoshidude10 said:
Wait..does Umbreon UD protect itself from Pokemon with an Ability?
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no, as posted in the front page.
pokemon ability has no connetion to pokepower/pokebody

it is a whole new mechanic

Frost said:
Yeah, I count the following amounts so far:

-Journey Partners: 9
-Black Collection: 56
-White Collection: 55 (since the 56th is the Pikachu in Black Collection)
-Beginning Set: 37
-Battle Strength Decks: 30 (14 cards each, minus 12 repeat Trainers in the second/third decks)
-BW-P Promos: 33

That's 220 cards total, minus the 114 in our Base Set, as well as whichever cards we've already gotten as promos. So unless our second BW set dips into cards from whatever the next real Japanese set is...
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we will probably also get the victini deck
 
Vulpix Yolk said:
Who cares about Catcher anyways serious? It is just a reprint of a card that used to be great, but now it is pointless and will only be a huge loss for any decks consistency. It may have some interesting combos, but it seriously isn't anything to get too excited about even if it were coming out. Anyways the fact that you can play any card T1 is just ridiculous, they should have limited the cards you can use T2 instead. Despite the fact I hate all of the new rules, I am excited for a Pokemon Communication reprint.
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lol what? Catcher/Warp Point are the greatest disruptor cards in this game. Catcher will change the games dynamic completely.
 
an interesting point to point out.
on the tcg online. they show the blue assault deck with a full heal trainer's item
but our list doesnt contain it.
mistake on our theme deck lists? or on the tcg online
 
It disappoints me that the rare holos are not keeping the 'prime' look. I thought that was something neat about the japanese set. Between that and the ugly yellow boarders, TPCi seems keen to make this set, and the BW era, as ugly as the original cards.
 
Wow, I can't say I'm honestly surprised by this in the end. As soon as people figured out cards were needing to be cut, I figured they would basically split the B/W set in two...so no Catcher is really no big deal/surprise.

And when I heard the Rules were being implemented as soon as the set releases, I figured it would most likely happen here as well. One deck Format here we come! lol

dmaster out.
 
Can someone explain the reasoning for some of these rule changes?? Like:

Discard your supporter as soon as it's played - Now you're supposed to remember if you already played a supporter this turn? Isn't that stupid?

Pluspower - Discard as soon as it's used - Same thing, what if you don't remember which turn you played the Pluspower.
 
Thomas said:
Can someone explain the reasoning for some of these rule changes?? Like:

Discard your supporter as soon as it's played - Now you're supposed to remember if you already played a supporter this turn? Isn't that stupid?

Pluspower - Discard as soon as it's used - Same thing, what if you don't remember which turn you played the Pluspower.
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If you have a short memory, a little tip of advice, put the cards in your discard sideways until the end of the turn.
 
ogeray, full heal would just be a filler card, so they have some room to put the unlock system that decks online have.
The set...I miss many things in this set :( However, im gonna get some packs afterall
Rules change is no surprise, but well, I still hate the way that now basic pokemon decks will rule (sp, sableye...) and spiritomb AR is going to get so expensive...
One final objection. I hate that the supporter doesn't stays in play. Many times I don't know if I have used a supporter if a send it prematurely to the discard pile, and now it is even more confuse...I hope this gets changed, or I'll have to take note every time me or my opponent plays a supporter.
 
Actually, Spiritomb won't to much. Anyone running Sabledonk will have a Regice teched in, so unless they can get a double Tomb start, then they will have little to no impact.
 
Being able to play Trainers, Supporters, and Stadiums on the first turn is just going to be ridiculous especially with Seeker already in the format with more Donks showing up than normal. Not to mention that Vileplume UD is pretty much a broken Stage 2 now no thanks to the new rule changes on Supporters and Stadiums being "Trainer - Whatever Card Type minus Pokemon." Dialga G Lv. X is going to see more play now thanks to that until rotation. The problem is If they get their Vileplume out before you hit your DGX you're screwed.

This is why I've been suggesting a Mid-Season Rotation to HGSS-On or Rising Rivals/Arceus-On when BW is released. Sure the rotation will get rid of Sableye but Vileplume is a whole nother story, bad enough with Spiritomb AR with Keystone Seal which is why I think HGSS-On is more likely and this is proof that TPCi and P!P has broke their promise last year after Worlds 2010 that they'd rotate only 4 sets per year.

As with Abilities not having any connection to Poke-Powers and Bodies I feel that this could hurt Umbreon UD's playability quite a bit which some players might favor Zoroark over but time will tell I guess. The errata on
Rare Candy isn't that bad as it's now made to prevent Donks yet the irony I see with this is that the power creep from past sets is making that irrelevant meaning that you now have a higher chance of getting Donked 1st or 2nd turn now due to the rule changes of playing Trainers and Supporters 1st turn before you even have a chance of evolving a Basic into a Stage 2 with Rare Candy If you had that Basic in play for 1 turn (Summoning Sickness Rule). Scratch that, you'll never have a chance to play it.

As for the erratas on Great Ball and Plus Power they were justified at least the one for Plus Power was to help prevent Donks but like I said earlier the power creep from the previous sets has sort of made that irrelevant sadly. I think it's going to have to come down to errating Sableye SF and Vileplume UD to where they are less broken than they are now or do a Mid-Season Rotation cut to HGSS-On or Arceus-On which is the best bet we have IMO. Since Japan never errated Vileplume UD I'm assuming it won't happen here as well I guess?

As for the possibility of a one deck format due to these changes, how so? I've seen a One Deck Format
in Yu-Gi-Oh! before but that was like several years ago. Yu-Gi-Oh! was tailor made for power creep cause of the game's lack of a resource system however that's different with Pokemon cause it has a resource system yet several cards in the game have close to broken effects with little cost to play them.

Just my 2 cents.
 
how is vilplume broken?
it still does the same thing. trainer lock.
the BW trainers are divided into subcategories, and they are treated as their former counterpart.
trainer's items = trainer
trainer's support = supporter
trainer's stadium = stadium

so all pre-bw cards refering to trainer only refers to Trainer's items.
so no change there. and no unbalanced power
 
Card Slinger J said:
Not to mention that Vileplume UD is pretty much a broken Stage 2 now no thanks to the new rule changes on Supporters and Stadiums being "Trainer - Whatever Card Type minus Pokemon."
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Rules said:
Any cards that reference those card types should change accordingly as well. For example, if a card from those sets says, "Search your deck for a Trainer card..." you should now read that card as saying "Search your deck for an Item card..." since Trainer cards are now know as Trainer - Item cards.
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I don't think so, since Vileplume is referring to "Trainer - Item cards", not just Trainer cards in general.

EDIT: Ninja'd by someone who is not DNA >.>
 
So you're saying that Vileplume UD's Allergy Flower will still have no effect on Supporters and Stadiums since it's Poke-Body only specifies "Trainer - Items"? Even that is not in PokeGym's Rulings Compendium since BW isn't out yet in English. How awkward...
 
That's what I'd assume, since our Trainers are the BW rules' "Trainer - Items".
 
yes.

its stated in the front page news if you want to read more into the wording of T/S/S

-Trainer cards from Diamond & Pearl through Call of Legends should be considered Trainer - Item.
-Supporter cards from Diamond & Pearl through Call of Legends should be considered Trainer - Supporter.
-Stadium cards from Diamond & Pearl through Call of Legends should be considered Trainer - Stadium.

Any cards that reference those card types should change accordingly as well. For example, if a card from those sets says, "Search your deck for a Trainer card..." you should now read that card as saying "Search your deck for an Item card..." since Trainer cards are now know as Trainer - Item cards.
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basically trainer means items now.
 
To the person asking about Full Heal, it is in this list at 95.

Assuming that the Pokemon with multiple cards in this set are from Black/White Collection and Beginning Set, in that order, here's what was cut, roughly:

Remaining from Journey Partners (9):
-Snivy
-Tepig
-Oshawott
-Sandile
-Klink
-Zorua
-Munna
-Pidove
-Blitzle

Remaining from Beginning Set (11):
-Pansage
-Pansear
-Panpour
-Basculin
-Woobat
-Venipede
-Whirlipede
-Sandile
-Krokorok
-Audino
-Minccino

Remaining from Black Collection (21):
-Sewaddle
-Swadloon
-Leavanny
-Cottonee
-Whimsicott
-Cubchoo
-Beartic
-Emolga
-Gothita
-Gothorita
-Gothitelle
-Roggenrola
-Boldore
-Drilbur
-Excadrill
-Tornadus
-Crush Hammer
-Max Potion
-Recycle
-Tornadus (Super Rare)
-Pikachu (Super Rare)

Remaining from White Collection (11):
-Thundurus
-Sigilyph
-Ferroseed
-Ferrothorn
-Rufflet
-Braviary
-Great Ball
-Pokemon Catcher
-Cheren
-Thundurus (Super Rare)
-Pikachu (Super Rare)

Remaining from the Battle Strength Decks (25):
-Sewaddle (Virizion Deck)
-Swadloon (VD)
-Cottonee (VD)
-Darumka (VD)
-Darmanitan (VD)
-Basculin (VD)
-Cubchoo (VD)
-Virizion (VD)
-Joltik (Terrakion Deck)
-Galvantula (TD)
-Sigilyph (TD)
-Gothita (TD)
-Roggenrola (TD)
-Boldore (TD)
-Drilbur (TD)
-Terrakion (TD)
-Zorua (Cobalion Deck)
-Zoroark (CD)
-Ferroseed (CD)
-Klink (CD)
-Klang (CD)
-Lillipup (CD)
-Rufflet (CD)
-Cobalion (CD)
-Bianca (all three Decks)

Remaining from BW-P Promos (18+):
-Pansage 1/BW-P
-Pidove 2/BW-P
-Pansage 4/BW-P
-Pidove 5/BW-P
-Axew 6/BW-P
-Ducklett 8/BW-P
-Litwick 9/BW-P
-Gigalith 10/BW-P
-Patrat 11/BW-P
-Zorua 21/BW-P
-Minccino 22/BW-P
-Pokedex 23/BW-P (reprint with new artwork)
-Zoroark 24/BW-P
-Emolga 25/BW-P
-Druddigon 26/BW-P
-Virizion ??/BW-P (reprint with new artwork)
-Terrakion ??/BW-P (reprint with new artwork)
-Cobalion ??/BW-P (reprint with new artwork)

Axew 3/BW-P, Zoroark 7/BW-P, Snivy 18/BW-P, Tepig 19/BW-P and Oshawott 20/BW-P are all English BW Promos.
12-17/BW-P are reprints from Black/White Collection with the same artwork.
There are reprints of Zorua, Snivy, Tepig and Oshawott's Journey Partner cards that don't have BW-P numbers yet. Don't know if they have new art.

Also, the Victini decks that don't have their contents fully revealed at this time.
 
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