2008 Election

[Papi/Manny]

^I was just wondering that myself. But really, voting for the vice president shouldn't be why you vote for the man himself who will be president.

^ resolved in chat.

Seriously, who voted for nader? This isn't exactly supposed to be "funny". This is our country's fate. While it may not be YOUR country, it matters to some people.

It wasn't resolved. You didn't even answer any of my questions. You just fed me a can of Republican propaganda and avoided my questions, and then proceeded to change the subject. (Much like Sarah Palin did at the Vice Presidential debate. Have you been taking debate lessons from her, by chance?)

Resolved as in finished. No winner. I backed down, you backed down, to avoid any further arguements

Papi/Manny: Maybe its because I just got up or that I'm still in awe that I have no school today (yay, by the way), but are you INSULTING Palin or PROMOTING her?

I also had a easy school day (one class compared to 3). I'm doing neither, just stating a different look. Palin is just pretending to be dumb, like Bush has pretended (with amazing results) to be from Texas.

Actually, Palin isn't giving the "pretend to be dumb" act. Go take a look at her SAT results and the like. She's as stupid as stupid can be.

haha SAT scores are about as productive as shooting a tomato. I for one did not try to do good on them, just scrap by. I'm not going to sit there and snap my pencil because I can't think of how to answer a question about the people from the ice age. :/ She is simply using reverse psycology to learn in the people who HATE the people on top, who view her as stupid. Your not going to get approved by the party without bringing balance and attracting voters. She does both for McCain.

 

[Gale]

People in the democratic party really fear Palin because she represents a different opponent. A stronger opponent; an opponent who can actually pose a threat to the corruption in high places.

I doubt McCain would die in office. I highly highly doubt it. Even if he did, would you prefer her over say Clinton?

 

[Noob Sandwich]

People in the democratic party really fear Palin because she represents a different opponent. A stronger opponent; an opponent who can actually pose a threat to the corruption in high places.

I don't.

Would you like to tell me more about what I don't think?

 

[Gale]

I'm sure you don't think that Palin or McCain are able to handle the current situation in the econamy, the war on terror, etc. Look, let's be frank. The democratic party will never LIKE the republican parties' cantidate for president, and the republican party will also never LIKE the democratic parties' cantidate for president. There will always be some disagrements about politics.

 

[Noob Sandwich]

I'm sure you don't think that Palin or McCain are able to handle the current situation in the econamy, the war on terror, etc. Look, let's be frank. The democratic party will never LIKE the republican parties' cantidate for president, and the republican party will also never LIKE the democratic parties' cantidate for president. There will always be some disagrements about politics.

You are wrong.

Google "Republicans for Obama" and "Democrats for McCain" and you'll see.

And your point has nothing to do with your previous post. You said Democrats think Palin pose a threat to corruption in high places. I don't she does.

But I do think she is unable to handle any of those things you mentioned in the above quote.

 

[Wiseman.]

I think that Papi/Manny is correct. SAT/ACT scores are pretty stupid and you should try on them but why waste $ on books and endless hours studying. Hell, I am a Freshman and got 720 on Math and 630 in Reading, and I didn't study. THIS WAS LAST YEAR.Math is easy. Reading is easy. Writing = ditto. If Obama does eleiminate this then will colleges have to use GPA? Who cares. Obama may not be right about everything but his policies on these tests hit the nail on the head.
Continue discussion.

As we still know, education is about learning your proffesion, not how to take some stupid tests that I (and you (PB STUDENTS)) could easily ace. Trust me, the SAT = somewhat easy and the ACT= Laughably easy.


McCain wants to keep troops in Iraq? Waste money! What an exciting incentive, we only are 9 Trillion in debt No biggie, lets continue wasting 5,000 USD a second while we have debts to China. And a poor economy. I think I am chaning...I somewhat want Obama to win as McCain's policies on healthcare taxes are outrageous.

Peace, got to go for a minute...or an hour wasting another 500 * 3600 on the war. Thanks!

 

[Serperior]

This election's terrible, and Bush left us in a position that's terrible.

-50 billion a month on the war.
-560 billion total.
-Economics are going down the drain.
-The candidates aren't the greatest.


I don't understand why people give a Shellder about SAT/ACT scores right now...or why we take them. THAT'S NOT the #1 issue. We're in a recession, and that needs to get solved FIRST. We're 10 trillion in debt, where most of it is coming from importing like there's no tomorrow, and exporting like we're careless. People are dying in Iraq, Iran, whatever. And now's the time we need to pull them out. Right now, Osama isn't going to solve the economy, but if we do find him, that's a bonus. We need to dig ourselves out of this ditch, and then we can PWN n00bs in Iraq.

I am not going to state my opinion on who I think's going to be President. I'm just going to say that no matter which candidate we put up to the plate, I think we're going to strike out. (We're done either way).

 

[Wiseman.]

John. You don't know what you are saying. WE ARE 9 (9) (9) TRILLION, not 10 in debt.

Next, you have US dying in Iraq? What about Iraqi's dying, them like 20,000, us like 4,192.

Lastly, For EVERYONE's INFORMATION, it is NOT Bush's fault. THis is Clinton's fault. Bill Clinton focus on the National debt and we had a 500,000 dollar surplus, but what he did not do is do anything about AL-QUEDA and the young Osama Bin Ladin plotting against the US. You watched the 9/11 Nat'l geo. thing. And you know that the 9/11 plot was going on WELL over 10 years ago. Clinton didn't do anything and Bush had to clean up, now it is all Clinton's fault.

PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.

good night.

 

[Eevee]

John. You don't know what you are saying. WE ARE 9 (9) (9) TRILLION, not 10 in debt.

Next, you have US dying in Iraq? What about Iraqi's dying, them like 20,000, us like 4,192.

Lastly, For EVERYONE's INFORMATION, it is NOT Bush's fault. THis is Clinton's fault. Bill Clinton focus on the National debt and we had a 500,000 dollar surplus, but what he did not do is do anything about AL-QUEDA and the young Osama Bin Ladin plotting against the US. You watched the 9/11 Nat'l geo. thing. And you know that the 9/11 plot was going on WELL over 10 years ago. Clinton didn't do anything and Bush had to clean up, now it is all Clinton's fault.

PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.

good night.

Amen.
I would vote for McCain/Palin.I don't want somebody in office who is friends with terrorists and has a pastor who curses America.No matter what he says otherwise.

 

[Serperior]

Time out! http://brillig.com/debt_clock/ How YOU doing? Wait...so make that 10.5 ish trillion.

I never said that US is dying. The Iraqi war is becoming unjust! Citizens not involved in the war are being killed because the Iraqis and the Jihad believe we're still a threat because we're in there! Bush put us in Iraq, not Clinton. Were gas prices soaring to $3 dollars a gallon with Clinton? Uhh...no?

Slow down. If the 9/11 thing was good 10 years ago, why are you saying it was Clinton's fault? We had almost nothing to do with Osama in those days, except for providing weapons to the Afghans. And I BET you, the Russians are possibly giving weapons to the terrorists or Iraqis or whatever to get back at us for what we did with the Afghans.

eevee. Am I against Obama? Am I against McCain? I didn't state my opinion, and will not. When did we have the 500,000 dollar surplus?

 

[Noob Sandwich]

Amen.
I would vote for McCain/Palin.I don't want somebody in office who is friends with terrorists and has a pastor who curses America.No matter what he says otherwise.

Who are you talking about?

 

[Serperior]

Good question. I think he agrees with T-Tar? Not much explanation here.

 

[Wiseman.]

First of all you aren't rasputia, so don't try to be.

Second, gas couldn't be so high with Clinton because we weren't in Iraq and with Bush we are because Clinton's stupidity forced him to go there.

3rd: Debt clock=inaccurate, I can find a different one, only the US gov knows for sure.

4th: What does Russia have to do with this and why would they give the iraqis weapons, and we never gave the afgans weapons.

5th: John, we had a surplus with Clinton, and I know because Kevin and I did this project in ECA...we can debate it with you and EASILY beat you.

6th: Oh no! I won't hear your opinion! John, it is not like you are Colon Powell (<--you don't know who Colon Powell was! *John goes to google and types in Colon Powell and Nat'l debt records)

7th: Who has a better grade in History? me.

8th: Who's member title says more (not that it matters)

9th: I don't hate you, and I am not trying to, it is just, you have no idea what you are talking about. So let's stop arguing about history as this thread IS FOR WHO YOU WOULD VOTE FOR. If you don't state your opinion, then that goes against the thread.

10th: good night.

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PS: John...I don't think Obama is a terrorist only Jacob does because his banner is also kinda racist...Moving on. Jacob also and I are debating. I win.

Good nihgt.

 

[Serperior]

Russia is communist. We are capitalist. We supplied the Afghans with weapons to supposedly defeat communist government. Now, because they survived the attack, they are most likely doing the same against us.

ColIn Powell is a retired war general. He is for Obama, and by the way, was also secretary of state in...2001?

You didn't answer my question. WHEN did we have a surplus with Clinton? If Clinton steered us into a poor direction, wouldn't Bush have been there to supposedly "sweep" it up as you say? Erm...no. Instead, he throws us into the predicament we are in now. Clinton isn't and wasn't President when all this economic crisis crud was happening. It is the duty of the President, (Bush) to get us back on track.

I will, agree, however, that McCain does have more experience than Obama.

However, the rich will go for McCain, the poor, for Obama. Just a little tidbit of information there.

 

[Wiseman.]

Debate tommorow on the bus. Period. This typing kills me.

 

[Serperior]

Ehh...I don't like to call it a debate...more of a..."friendly argument that won't rip the heads off each other's necks."

Another thing:

McCain has supported (voted) for more than 90% of Bush's actions, which anyone might have seen on TV.

 

[Wiseman.]

John. I am sorry but you have definately reached the limit. YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU SEE ON TV? That is your 1st big problem. Bush as we have said is not the bad guy here, Clinton is. Also, Barack Obama has voted that failing abortionist babies should be killed. Ouch!

 

[Papi/Manny]

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html

U.S. Debt is NOT 10 trillion. Its at least 60 trillion, and possibly higher. Seperate but smaller debt accounts make it easier to work with and easier to see where spending is going (for the govn't at least....).

Economic problem isn't Bush's fault. Hell, it isn't even Clinton's fault, or anybody elses. Its really Congresses fault. They have to approve of the presidents economic agenda. They have to approve pretty much ANYTHING the president promises, something the American people seem to forget (though usually the coat tail [I think thats the term I'm looking for] of the election gives them pretty much auto-decisions. Clinton, though, was a HUGE failure of this). If you want to point to the economic problem, look to congress. We've been in debt since 18XX (I don't have the specific president who somehow managed to get us to even ground) and before that as well. However, some experts feel debt is a GOOD thing for the economy, though there is that breaking point that could be reached (though not for a while....*hopes*).

As a side-note for t-tar, schooling isn't just for education. It's to keep us kids off the streets, away from drugs and the like, and, more importantly (O_X), to keep us from getting full time jobs.

 

[Wiseman.]

Not really...school is for education, I really have no idea why you would think it is not, it is pretty obvious. Homeless shelters keep people off the streets, schools are for education.

The debt is 10 Trillion for our economic problems, but 60 Trillion is our debt to other countries like China and so on.

I do not really see the USA in debt. I know that may sound stupid, but all countries really owe debt to us:

-Who stopped Hitler from ruling the world? The US
-Who stopped WW1 and WW2? The US
-Who is trying to set up a democracy in Iraq? The US
-Who was in Vietnam like no one else? The US
-WHo made sure that Gorbachev was not a complete psychopath? The US

Many others too, they are in debt, we are not.

 

[Serperior]

Hey, McCain said it himself in front of the camera! Plus, read Papi/Manny's URL questions.

Papi, agreed with schooling. Do you think kids are there to sit with their hands folded smiling at the teacher? Kids CHOOSE if they want an education. Anyone can go to school and get an education. How they USE schooling is the key.

Again, I agree with Papi. We can't blame the President, (which I have done, sorry, retract minimal statement's said against Bush) but Congress too. BUT. The President has the control to go in Iraq and falsely declare that there are WMDs which gives us a reason to blow crud up!

Clinton has almost nothing to do with Iraq. Did he know what was going on? I'm not sure on that one. He was helpin' out Isreal and Pakistan make peace....which didn't work.